2022-23 Around the NBA Thread

[Cheesebeef]

I disagree. Until a few months into his SECOND season here he was almost unplayable. Granted, we were still playing him out of position until then but Monty wasn't really the problem. The problem was that Jalen needed to be developed and should have spent much of his rookie season in the G League but our thrifty owner had just sold it off. And no other G League team would have had any motivation to develop someone from another team.

Steve, every time you try to defend what happened here… eh… forget it.

I just think it’s comical you keep toeing the company line. By December of his SECOND season he was putting up double doubles repeatedly when given the chance.

Giving up on him, after a Covid season, where we had no g-league team to get him time was indefensible stupidity. Period.

If we had him right now, we’d be able to get rid of Mr. Soft Max and probably still contend with what Soft Max would return in trade.

 

[GatorAZ]

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[AzStevenCal]

Steve, every time you try to defend what happened here… eh… forget it.

I just think it’s comical you keep toeing the company line. By December of his SECOND season he was putting up double doubles repeatedly when given the chance.

Giving up on him, after a Covid season, where we had no g-league team to get him time was indefensible stupidity. Period.

If we had him right now, we’d be able to get rid of Mr. Soft Max and probably still contend with what Soft Max would return in trade.

Jalen Smith had a grand total of 4 double doubles as a member of the Suns. Once, in his rookie year and then the first of his 3 double doubles his final year here occurred the second to last day of 2021. Which is pretty damned consistent with my point that he was mostly unplayable until a couple of months into his final season here (also known as his second season).

If you go back and read game day threads up until we moved him to the center spot you'll find that almost every post about him was about how bad he was. And I don't believe any of them were from me.

And I've repeatedly said we screwed this up. I just maintained that the error was understandable on the part of JJ and Monty rather than simply gross negligence. There were several good reasons for not extending him but none of them were good enough to warrant not giving a player, any player, that 3rd year extension. There's a reason it almost never happens and we just demonstrated that reason.

 

[Phrazbit]

Moral of the story, it doesn't matter how bad he played. Barring a rookie committing a serious felony, there is no reason to tear up a 1st round draft pick's contract after their rookie year.

It was miserly management that I fully believe came from our cheap, idiot, owner.

For all the grief that Jones has taken for his usage of picks, I would expect the pattern to change totally once Sarver is officially toast. During Sarver's entire reign we've had a habit of pissing away picks and youth. Selling picks for nothing, attaching them in trades that make no sense (Goran AND a 1st for Brooks), attaching them to contracts we want to dump (KT trade) and declining option years. If a player the Suns draft doesn't produce by year 2 it is basically a rule that they're gone, that has been the policy regardless of GM and I am certain it's because we have an impatient imbecile as an owner.

Dumping our pick way back in 2004, right after Sarver bought the team, still eats at me. Can you imagine having Joe Johnson, Andre Igoudala, Shawn Marion and Amare on the court with Nash?

That team would have been iconic, even if they never won a title it would have been one of the most jaw dropping, fun teams in history.

 

[Mainstreet]

Moral of the story, it doesn't matter how bad he played. Barring a rookie committing a serious felony, there is no reason to tear up a 1st round draft pick's contract after their rookie year.

This is the bottom line. Locking a young player into a position entering his second season is beyond ridiculous.

Where is the patience and willingness to develop a young player, especially one that shows promise.

So the Suns thought Torrey Craig is better?

 

[Superbone]

Let's just hope that was outgoing Sarver's decision and not James Joneses.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yes, we are interested in a trade for Harrison Barnes.

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[Phrazbit]

So the Suns thought Torrey Craig is better?

No, the suns ownership is terrible and cheap and impatient.

 

[Finito]

Yes, we are interested in a trade for Harrison Barnes.

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James Jones doesn’t have the balls to make a move

 

[Mainstreet]

No, the sons ownership is terrible and cheap and impatient.

The Suns could have probably brought back Aaron Holiday for near the minimum, unless there was a team option.

 

[GatorAZ]

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Lakers 0-3.

 

[AzStevenCal]

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Lakers 0-3.

Yeah I watched them lose to the Blazers, the Lakers looked about as bad as we did against Portland. The Lakers started out 1 for 18 from the 3 point line so just losing by two at home might feel like a small victory for them.

 

[Phrazbit]

Someone forgot to tell the Jazz that they are tanking. 3-0, all against presumed playoff teams.

 

[sdscard4]

Someone forgot to tell the Jazz that they are tanking. 3-0, all against presumed playoff teams.

Danny Ainge man

 

[95pro]

Clarkson has a massive block on Zion tonight. Zion left the game and didn’t come back. Hip contusion.

 

[Phrazbit]

Clarkson has a massive block on Zion tonight. Zion left the game and didn’t come back. Hip contusion.

I saw that. Incredible block and at the same time a perfect example of why Zion just can't stay healthy. He went for a monster, thunder, tomahawk dunk... which itself left him exposed to getting blocked and put off balance, and he is just so damn heavy, you get him off his center of mass and he is going to come down really really hard.

That block got his upper body going backwards and there was no way to stop him from coming down like a ton of bricks. Dude didn't even bounce... I'm surprised he didn't plummet down into a parking garage.

 

[Phrazbit]

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I love watching this. It is such a horrendous play that you legitimately have to wonder if Westbrook is tanking. If so he needs to be less obvious about it... a few more moments like that and the Lakers will tell him to just stay home.

They pulled him after that play and he watched the final 4 possessions.

 

[Proximo]

James Jones doesn’t have the balls to make a move

If that was a real deal he would make it so fast your head would spin. Anybody would. That deal is not currently available.

 

[Proximo]

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I love watching this. It is such a horrendous play that you legitimately have to wonder if Westbrook is tanking. If so he needs to be less obvious about it... a few more moments like that and the Lakers will tell him to just stay home.

They pulled him after that play and he watched the final 4 possessions.

Lakers are really stupid about this. They need to tell him to just stay away from the team. All he is doing is making them worse and tanking his abysmal trade value even further.

 

[Finito]

Lakers are really stupid about this. They need to tell him to just stay away from the team. All he is doing is making them worse and tanking his abysmal trade value even further.

That entire team is a disaster

 

[Mainstreet]

Zion Williamson, reportedly with a possible hip contusion.

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[JCSunsfan]

I saw that. Incredible block and at the same time a perfect example of why Zion just can't stay healthy. He went for a monster, thunder, tomahawk dunk... which itself left him exposed to getting blocked and put off balance, and he is just so damn heavy, you get him off his center of mass and he is going to come down really really hard.

That block got his upper body going backwards and there was no way to stop him from coming down like a ton of bricks. Dude didn't even bounce... I'm surprised he didn't plummet down into a parking garage.

Yep. If Zion had just dunked it he would be fine. Instead he reached back behind his head for a T-hawk dunk and left the ball exposed and himself off balance.

We could use Clarkson I think.

 

[95pro]

Yep. If Zion had just dunked it he would be fine. Instead he reached back behind his head for a T-hawk dunk and left the ball exposed and himself off balance.

We could use Clarkson I think.

I think you give the 2nd unit to Clarkson. You have a dirt worker in Jock, then you have more shooting in Shamet as well. Combo guard backcourt for the 2nd unit would provide some punch.

 

[Dback Jon]

Lakers are really stupid about this. They need to tell him to just stay away from the team. All he is doing is making them worse and tanking his abysmal trade value even further.

Unless they REALLY are tanking...

 

[Mainstreet]

I think you give the 2nd unit to Clarkson. You have a dirt worker in Jock, then you have more shooting in Shamet as well. Combo guard backcourt for the 2nd unit would provide some punch.

It would be intriguing. The Suns would also have Payne, Lee and Washington Jr. there.