2023-24 Around the NBA Thread

[Proximo]

So Dame wants to stay in Portland after the meeting today and they are going to work to improve the team.

Portland management is stupid, they will not compete and they are wasting Lillard's trade value.

 

[Yuma]

So Dame wants to stay in Portland after the meeting today and they are going to work to improve the team.

Portland management is stupid, they will not compete and they are wasting Lillard's trade value.

I respect he wants to be a Shane Doan, and will play out his entire career without a real shot to win in the playoffs.

 

[Proximo]

I respect he wants to be a Shane Doan, and will play out his entire career without a real shot to win in the playoffs.

Yeah fine.

It's not up to him, Portland management can and should trade him whether he likes it or not.

 

[Hoop Head]

Victor Wembanyama was measured publicly by the Spurs to put some questions to rest. He is 7' 3.5" barefoot.

How tall is Victor Wembanyama? A mystery solved.

The height of the Spurs' new franchise player has been listed anywhere from 7-foot-2 to...

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[Mainstreet]

Kyrie Irving is expected to re-sign with the Mavericks.

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[Mainstreet]

Cam Reddish is not expected to receive a qualifying offer from Portland.

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[Hoop Head]

Cam Reddish is not expected to receive a qualifying offer from Portland.

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What is Portland doing? He seems like a no brainer to retain, at least extend the qualifying offer and see if anyone bites. He has untapped potential and is young. Portland has a horrible front office.

I'd love to bring Cam but I suspect he'll see a decent payday. Probably around $7-8m a year.

 

[Mainstreet]

What is Portland doing? He seems like a no brainer to retain, at least extend the qualifying offer and see if anyone bites. He has untapped potential and is young. Portland has a horrible front office.

I'd love to bring Cam but I suspect he'll see a decent payday. Probably around $7-8m a year.

It would be nice if he would accept a minimum contract with the Suns although unlikely.

 

[Mainstreet]

Please make the newly signed CBA go away. It is effective July 1st.

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[Mainstreet]

I do not want to read 676 pages of the new CBA.

Seriously, what went wrong. Why did the players agree to it?

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[Yuma]

The players will still get paid, exhibit A our team. Owners and GMs can't help themselves. The players will just sit back and make money anyways. Just watch. It's like when you get a raise and your spending rises to that level. When we get those TV deals next year, I wouldn't be surprised to see teams payroll rise accordingly. If they have money, they will spend. It's just new rules around that spending that we are seeing.

 

[Mainstreet]

The players will still get paid, exhibit A our team. Owners and GMs can't help themselves. The players will just sit back and make money anyways. Just watch. It's like when you get a raise and your spending rises to that level. When we get those TV deals next year, I wouldn't be surprised to see teams payroll rise accordingly. If they have money, they will spend. It's just new rules around that spending that we are seeing.

It was kind of nice for the fans to have a clue what was going on under the old CBA.

The new CBA seems unnecessarily complicated.

Why parity when the Suns finally get a rich owner.? Also, the Suns didn't seem prepared for it either.

 

[Yuma]

It was kind of nice for the fans to have a clue what was going on under the old CBA.

The new CBA seems unnecessarily complicated.

Why parity when the Suns finally get a rich owner.? Also, the Suns didn't seem prepared for it either.

IDK, it seems like maybe we were prepared. We seem to be doing what no other teams are doing right now. That is either A) we have no clue, or B) we have found loopholes in this new CBA and are exploiting them. If it is A we will know in short order. If it's B, you have to like the thought by our owner and front office to be aggressive when others are standing by on the sidelines. It's kinda like investing and Warren Buffet saying buy when others aren't, and stop buying when everyone else is.

 

[Mainstreet]

IDK, it seems like maybe we were prepared. We seem to be doing what no other teams are doing right now. That is either A) we have no clue, or B) we have found loopholes in this new CBA and are exploiting them. If it is A we will know in short order. If it's B, you have to like the thought by our owner and front office to be aggressive when others are standing by on the sidelines. It's kinda like investing and Warren Buffet saying buy when others aren't, and stop buying when everyone else is.

If the Suns can only add veteran minimum players and the market for Ayton is not there, it looks like the Suns were myopic from my perspective.

We will know soon enough.

 

[Yuma]

If the Suns can only add veteran minimum players and the market for Ayton is not there, it looks like the Suns were myopic from my perspective.

We will know soon enough.

I have a feeling that July 14th no trade clause for Ayton is a thing for us. Plus getting something we think is a good return matters, too. He's still an asset we control. I'm 50/50 on him. I think my lowest opinion of him was game 6 against Denver, in that he would not play when other HOF guys would have got out there and attempted to play. I want to see Vogel get something out of him, but I also am not expecting it to last. I want to be proved wrong. He's only 24. I know I was a knuckle head at 24, so hopefully it's an immaturity thing, too. The upside is tremendous. If he plays like we have seen him at his peaks in the past, we have a fourth guy on our team few teams can match. If he plays like he did down the stretch for us this last season, I think the Suns will be moving him. The Suns are probably looking for the right two guys in return.

 

[Mainstreet]

I have a feeling that July 14th no trade clause for Ayton is a thing for us. Plus getting something we think is a good return matters, too. He's still an asset we control. I'm 50/50 on him. I think my lowest opinion of him was game 6 against Denver, in that he would not play when other HOF guys would have got out there and attempted to play. I want to see Vogel get something out of him, but I also am not expecting it to last. I want to be proved wrong. He's only 24. I know I was a knuckle head at 24, so hopefully it's an immaturity thing, too. The upside is tremendous. If he plays like we have seen him at his peaks in the past, we have a fourth guy on our team few teams can match. If he plays like he did down the stretch for us this last season, I think the Suns will be moving him. The Suns are probably looking for the right two guys in return.

We agree game 6 against the Nuggets was Ayton's low watermark.

I dislike that the Suns future rests on Ayton, but this is very close to where the Suns are in terms of his development or trade value.

Right now, Ayton's trade value may resemble John Collins.

 

[Yuma]

We agree game 6 against the Nuggets was Ayton's low watermark.

I dislike that the Suns future rests on Ayton, but this is very close to where the Suns are in terms of his development or trade value.

Right now, Ayton's trade value may resemble John Collins.

That was always going to be the case for a number one overall pick in the draft, that we were going to flourish or be hampered by that. I will say, despite some hating Ayton, he's not a flop. There have been top draft picks that were flops. Ayton can play. The arguments I have seen, is if Ayton had been picked at say 25 that year, we are having a whole different set of expectations for the guy. It's just the value aspect of this. Is he worth $30+ million for what he brings, at a position now devalued by the NBA? It's the money. We have him at $10-$15 million a year, we probably love the guy.

Since we are stuck with vet minimum guys right now, I say if we can roll one more year with him, let's do it. It's the top three guys we are now banking on to carry us, and not Ayton in that group anymore. Heck we went to the NBA Finals with Book, CP3, and Ayton as our top three. I think about that, and it's amazing Ayton is now dropped to four. And that's probably again because of the money he makes that he's considered our fourth guy.

 

[95pro]

I can't wait until someone calls the Lakers bluff on Austin Reaves, then I'll be more happier when the Lakers match that.

 

[Germz249]

I have a feeling that July 14th no trade clause for Ayton is a thing for us.

Do you think he has that much leverage?

I get he can say no but then its like well on the 14th it won’t matter so you’re going anyways so you might as well just accept it now. If its to Indiana I would think they would have something in place and world would already be out just waiting to make it official. It might up his value some more if people knew that also.

 

[Carolinacacti]

Aomost 30 years ago the NFL started the salary cap. I remember most teams started to prepare for it the year before. Not Dallas they went and signed Dion Sanders and kept spending. They won the Super Bowl that year. Their last one I think but my memory is shot.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The players will still get paid, exhibit A our team. Owners and GMs can't help themselves. The players will just sit back and make money anyways. Just watch. It's like when you get a raise and your spending rises to that level. When we get those TV deals next year, I wouldn't be surprised to see teams payroll rise accordingly. If they have money, they will spend. It's just new rules around that spending that we are seeing.

I think the league might be trying to avoid losing too many of the lower salaried players to the international game. The total amount of money spent on players is always a function of the cap, that's not going to change. But the distribution of those dollars has become a real problem.

The NBA added the supermax to reward the small group of superstars that bring in the big dollars such as Lebron. But it ended up in gross overpayments of the next tier or two leaving nothing but scraps for many of the role players.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Rockets are expected to sign Fred VanVleet and Dillon Brooks tomorrow.

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[Mainstreet]

Waiving Eric Gordon saves the Clippers about $110 million in luxury tax.

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[nashman]

Waiving Eric Gordon saves the Clippers about $110 million in luxury tax.

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Can Gordon be signed to a min. Deal or do you have to pick up his contract? In other words is he even an option?

 

[Mainstreet]

Can Gordon be signed to a min. Deal or do you have to pick up his contract? In other words is he even an option?

Once Gordon clears waivers, he can sign wherever he wants because he will become a free agent. The question, another team might offer more than the Suns.