2023-24 Around the NBA Thread

[Germz249]

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Lol.. would be funny to see him and PG on the same team.

 

[Mainstreet]

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I was wondering what those were called. Hmm. Tricks?

 

[GatorAZ]

Zion and Ben Simmons just flat out stealing money like we’ve never seen before.

 

[Germz249]

Zion and Ben Simmons just flat out stealing money like we’ve never seen before.

I remember listening to local radio and they were comparing would you max Ayton or Zion.. it was like Ayton didn't perform to that level and Zion has been hurt.. they said you have to max Zion.. man were they wrong..

 

[Hoop Head]

I remember listening to local radio and they were comparing would you max Ayton or Zion.. it was like Ayton didn't perform to that level and Zion has been hurt.. they said you have to max Zion.. man were they wrong..

The Pelicans should have protected themselves. When Embiid got a max off his rookie deal the Sixers added language so they weren't screwed if he didn't play or got hurt again. New Orleans did nothing to protect themselves from Zion and he'll have a 1/4 of a billion by the time his deal is up and can walk away from basketball altogether if he chooses.

 

[Yuma]

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[Yuma]

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[Hoop Head]

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He said the same thing for the Beal trade.

 

[Dan H]

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Dude is highly interested in fitness, though.

Fitness pizza in his mouth … sheesh.

 

[Germz249]

The Pelicans should have protected themselves. When Embiid got a max off his rookie deal the Sixers added language so they weren't screwed if he didn't play or got hurt again. New Orleans did nothing to protect themselves from Zion and he'll have a 1/4 of a billion by the time his deal is up and can walk away from basketball altogether if he chooses.

It seems like he doesn’t want to play. Last season he could have came back but said when he feels like Zion he will come back. They said physically he was fine.

How could you not want to come back and help your team? I know people considered Ayton a bust but I think Zion is more of a bust.

 

[Phrazbit]

It seems like he doesn’t want to play. Last season he could have came back but said when he feels like Zion he will come back. They said physically he was fine.

How could you not want to come back and help your team? I know people considered Ayton a bust but I think Zion is more of a bust.

Ayton isn't a bust, he is just disappointing. He's a pretty good player that could obviously be a great player if he just were more assertive.

Zion, missing 75% of the games to this point of his career and seemingly having no interest in fixing his easily fixable issues... that is a bust. Wouldn't be at all surprised if he shows up fatter than ever to training camp.

 

[Germz249]

Ayton isn't a bust, he is just disappointing. He's a pretty good player that could obviously be a great player if he just were more assertive.

Zion, missing 75% of the games to this point of his career and seemingly having no interest in fixing his easily fixable issues... that is a bust. Wouldn't be at all surprised if he shows up fatter than ever to training camp.

I feel the same. He did not live up to the number 1 overall pick but I wouldn’t call him a bust. Just disappointed he didn’t live up to his Shaq and Kobe 2.0 comment.

 

[Proximo]

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No interest in developing a jumper? Really?

Ok, I don't want this guy on the Suns.

That kind of comment all but assures he is a bust.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Let’s trade them Watanabe and metu for him.

 

[Mainstreet]

Isaiah Stewart agrees to a 4 year, $64 million extension with the Pistons.

Mike Curtis @MikeACurtis2

3 minutes ago

Can confirm that Isaiah Stewart has agreed to a four-year extension with the #Pistons worth $64 million. The first three years are guaranteed and the fourth is a team option, per a league source.

 

[Mainstreet]

New rules implemented for the 2023-24 season. I like the expanded coaches challenge.

Anthony Chiang @Anthony_Chiang

about 7 minutes ago

The NBA Board of Governors today approved an in-game flopping penalty and expanded use of the coach’s challenge. Both rule changes will be implemented beginning with the 2023-24 NBA season.

 

[Hoop Head]

New rules implemented for the 2023-24 season. I like the expanded coaches challenge.

Anthony Chiang @Anthony_Chiang

about 7 minutes ago

The NBA Board of Governors today approved an in-game flopping penalty and expanded use of the coach’s challenge. Both rule changes will be implemented beginning with the 2023-24 NBA season.

I like the coaching challenge change. The flopping is whatever. Wish the Challenge thing took effect this season.

 

[Mainstreet]

I like the coaching challenge change. The flopping is whatever. Wish the Challenge thing took effect this season.

I thought the coaching challenge change took effect this coming season... dang.

 

[Hoop Head]

I thought the coaching challenge change took effect this coming season... dang.

They do. I read it wrong. Hard to believe we're in 2023.

 

[Raindog]

I like the coaching challenge change. The flopping is whatever. Wish the Challenge thing took effect this season.

Just in time since we now have a coach who will actually, like, use challenges and stuff.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I feel the same. He did not live up to the number 1 overall pick but I wouldn’t call him a bust. Just disappointed he didn’t live up to his Shaq and Kobe 2.0 comment.

Yep. There are lots of busts with the first overall pick.
Simmons, Foltz, Zion, Bennett, Kwami Brown, Olowakandi, Pervis.

 

[Hoop Head]

Just in time since we now have a coach who will actually, like, use challenges and stuff.

I'd like to see some stats on coaches challenges. I think Monty used his frequently. I remember a number of instances when Booker or CP3 would urge him to use it and he would.

Sometimes though coaches were hesitant to use them early in the game simply because they wouldn't have it later, even if successful. Now that won't be an issue.


I couldn't find info on how often certain coaches used their challenges. The only thing I found that was interesting was this article with this excerpt...

Certain calls are easy. Coaches had a 74.7% success rate on out-of-bounds challenges last season. For goaltending, it was 78.6%. Most calls, though, are more difficult: Fouls were overturned just 43.9% of the time. The block/charge ranks atop coaches’ list of head scratchers.

https://www.si.com/nba/2022/11/09/nba-challenge-coach-hot-seat

That's a bit higher than I thought on calls except fouls, which is about what I would have guessed. That might even be a little higher than I thought because rarely do I recall fouls being overturned. Still, interesting data. I wish we had success rate for each coach though.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'd like to see some stats on coaches challenges. I think Monty used his frequently. I remember a number of instances when Booker or CP3 would urge him to use it and he would.

Sometimes though coaches were hesitant to use them early in the game simply because they wouldn't have it later, even if successful. Now that won't be an issue.


I couldn't find info on how often certain coaches used their challenges. The only thing I found that was interesting was this article with this excerpt...

https://www.si.com/nba/2022/11/09/nba-challenge-coach-hot-seat

That's a bit higher than I thought on calls except fouls, which is about what I would have guessed. That might even be a little higher than I thought because rarely do I recall fouls being overturned. Still, interesting data. I wish we had success rate for each coach though.

If I had to guess, I would say that Monty used his challenge in about half the games and typically he would use it at some point in the 4th.

He always seemed to want to keep it for some key play late and that I thought was foolish, often you wouldn't get that play, a call that should obviously be over turned late, so he wouldn't use it, or he'd use it on something that was 50/50.

He almost never used it on potentially huge moments early in games, in particular plays where a key player would pick up a 3rd foul early in the 2nd quarter or a 4th foul just after the half, often on just god awful officiating. IMO those plays, ones that keep an important player off the court for long stretches, have far more impact than what Monty preferred to challenge... a random out of bounds call with 2 minutes to go.

 

[95pro]

I always felt like our assistant coaches were wrong 100%. A play would go down then you would see one of them jumping around behind Monty with their ipad telling them to challenge.


The craziest challenge, WTF, moment was is during the Finals run. They challenge, i think it was the Bucks. But officiating actually goes back to the previous possession as well and finds us at fault? That I have only seen once.

 

[Raindog]

I always felt like our assistant coaches were wrong 100%. A play would go down then you would see one of them jumping around behind Monty with their ipad telling them to challenge.


The craziest challenge, WTF, moment was is during the Finals run. They challenge, i think it was the Bucks. But officiating actually goes back to the previous possession as well and finds us at fault? That I have only seen once.

I remember that. It was freaking outlandish. Gee, why didn't they just go back and reverse all the other erroneous calls in the game, too?