2023 draft trade in hindsight

[oaken1]

Yes please consider the multiverse carefully when evaluating Paris Johnson.

snark all you want but its the nature of the position. You only really notice the blindside protection when it fails and Paris has gone unnoticed.

 

[Chopper0080]

The better Paris Johnson plays the less "impact" we see from him.
His primary job is to keep bad things from happening.

dude may have already saved Kyler from 10 separate career ending injuries..we will just never know.

I disagree. The bar is set by Paris Johnson vs league average LTs. Paris might be slightly above league average. Will Anderson is significantly above league average at his position.

 

[Chopper0080]

And another place I disagree is your statement about a lack of notice. I notice Tret Williams shutting down players. I notice Penei Sewell dominating players. I notice Tristan Wirfs.

I think where you missing is that average OTs don't get noticed. They aren't glaringly good or bad. Good and bad OTs 100% do get noticed.

 

[oaken1]

And another place I disagree is your statement about a lack of notice. I notice Tret Williams shutting down players. I notice Penei Sewell dominating players. I notice Tristan Wirfs.

I think where you missing is that average OTs don't get noticed. They glaringly good or bad. Good and bad OTs 100% do get noticed.

I notice Paris shutting down players too...and I notice our quarterback not getting blindsided in 1.2 seconds... but the "Impact" of that is tough to measure. Because its hard to place a value on something that doesnt happen.
But there is a reason why 20million dollar contracts hit the LT position before they hit the edge position.

everybody wants "flashy" and seeing a good edge rusher blow past a guy and flatten the QB is exciting and can be game changing. I agree.
But a solid OT that keeps that from happening is more valuable to a team...for the very basic reason that it keeps your quarterback on the field.

 

[Rohinaz]

I disagree. The bar is set by Paris Johnson vs league average LTs. Paris might be slightly above league average. Will Anderson is significantly above league average at his position.

Will Anderson had a big jump in his 2nd year and so did PJJ moving to LT and playing extremely well. From a position standpoint, Garrett Williams outperformed both. With Ojulari and Robinson healthy (hopefully) this trade could be lopsided in the cards favor by the end of the year.
Not to mention Michael Wilson (Average so far), Dante Stills (great pick) and Elijah Jones (injured)

 

[kerouac9]

Garrett Williams outperformed both

Bro he couldn’t take ST5’s job

 

[Chopper0080]

I notice Paris shutting down players too...and I notice our quarterback not getting blindsided in 1.2 seconds... but the "Impact" of that is tough to measure. Because its hard to place a value on something that doesnt happen.
But there is a reason why 20million dollar contracts hit the LT position before they hit the edge position.

everybody wants "flashy" and seeing a good edge rusher blow past a guy and flatten the QB is exciting and can be game changing. I agree.
But a solid OT that keeps that from happening is more valuable to a team...for the very basic reason that it keeps your quarterback on the field.

Paris allowed 4 sacks and 7 penalties in 2024. Neither of those are dominant stats.

And agree, a solid OT does have value, but it is still only a solid player.

Preferring a C+ OT to a B+ EDGE rusher is just something I don't agree with.