2023 NBA Playoffs - Other Teams

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

There's a lot of clips available but there's one specific angle that shows clearly that Draymond kicked down forcefully into his chest, you just can't let that go if you're the league especially with such a high volume repeat offender.

Maybe Sabonis should have been kicked out also and perhaps even suspended but nothing excuses Green's obvious attempt to injure Sabonis. If the refs or the league felt that Domantas grabbed his leg purposely to gain an advantage, then they blew the call at the time and again with their after game decision of no further action against Sabonis.

Sabonis move is a flagrant 2. No more. We’ve seen people grab a leg and they aren’t tossed or suspended. Green hadn’t even begun running, the danger of the grab was minimal. Green’s action in the other hand are typical green. Immediate escalation with intent to injure.

 

[95pro]

There is no wearing Russ out or down. The guy is tenacious, like a pitbull. He goes at 110% every second he's on the floor. That said it's best for the Suns if he's the one trying to beat us because he can't shoot but he does so with no conscience. Let him continue to jack up shots because there's no way the Clippers can win 3 of 5 going forward with Russ taking 20+ shots a night, especially if a good portion are 3's.

Correct you are.

Book just needs to take one more step back while defending him imo.

1 - because Westbrook is so quick, he drove and got by what seemed like 100% of the time.
2 - being that wide open is just too enticing for Westbrook.

 

[Proximo]

Correct you are.

Book just needs to take one more step back while defending him imo.

1 - because Westbrook is so quick, he drove and got by what seemed like 100% of the time.
2 - being that wide open is just enticing too Westbrook.

Yep, he needs to be dared to shoot. I would always be 3 to 4 feet away from him..

 

[ajcardfan]

I agree more with this. Last night was not a bare victory. Paul, Booker and Durant didn't have "extraterrestrial" performance, only "pretty good." Booker scores 38 or more so often that one almost shrugs at it. He's doing only what's expected of him. Same thing for Durant's 25. Even if Booker scored 50, that would be only a "great" game for him. His standards are so high that an "extraterrestrial" performance would be 60 or more.

The one whom I thought played better than usual was Ayton, and even that wasn't one of his best games ever. But that Ayton's so unpredictable, 14-13 is a " just doing what's expected of him' game.

From 6 minutes to go in the second, the Suns finished the game +25.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

There is no wearing Russ out or down. The guy is tenacious, like a pitbull. He goes at 110% every second he's on the floor. That said it's best for the Suns if he's the one trying to beat us because he can't shoot but he does so with no conscience. Let him continue to jack up shots because there's no way the Clippers can win 3 of 5 going forward with Russ taking 20+ shots a night, especially if a good portion are 3's.

Yup I’d back off him at the 3 point line and dare him to shoot. The issue is that if doesn’t take the bait he gets a running start to just bowling ball himself into the d, usually drawing fouls.

 

[Mainstreet]

The NBA should better explain why Draymond Green only gets a 1 game suspension.

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[Mainstreet]

Domantas Sabonis is questionable for game 3 against the Warriors.

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[Dback Jon]

Domantas Sabonis is questionable for game 3 against the Warriors.

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Green should be suspended until Sabonis is back, plus one game

 

[95pro]

Domantas Sabonis is questionable for game 3 against the Warriors.

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What Green did was very dangerous. He's no small guy, he could have possibly compressed Sabonis' heart by doing what he did, he essentially made a pumping motion with his leg. 1 game isn't enough.

I don't think i can recall any player stepping on another player as they have always tripped or fell away from the player, not just outright stomping on them then be totally fired up by it.

 

[Mainstreet]

There's a lot of clips available but there's one specific angle that shows clearly that Draymond kicked down forcefully into his chest, you just can't let that go if you're the league especially with such a high volume repeat offender.

Maybe Sabonis should have been kicked out also and perhaps even suspended but nothing excuses Green's obvious attempt to injure Sabonis. If the refs or the league felt that Domantas grabbed his leg purposely to gain an advantage, then they blew the call at the time and again with their after game decision of no further action against Sabonis.

Also, as I look at the video again, I'm not so sure that Sabonis's arms coming around Green's legs, was not a natural reaction

Sabonis was laying on his side with Green's legs intertwined under his arms. What would a normal person do? IMO, it was mostly a reflex action. I cannot say the same for Green.

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[Mainstreet]

What Green did was very dangerous. He's no small guy, he could have possibly compressed Sabonis' heart by doing what he did, he essentially made a pumping motion with his leg. 1 game isn't enough.

I don't think i can recall any player stepping on another player as they have always tripped or fell away from the player, not just outright stomping on them then be totally fired up by it.

Also, see my recent post above with video.

 

[Hoop Head]

Also, as I look at the video again, I'm not so sure that Sabonis's arms coming around Green's legs, was not a natural reaction

Sabonis was laying on his side with Green's legs intertwined under his arms. What would a normal person do? IMO, it was mostly a reflex action. I cannot say the same for Green.

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It's tough to judge intent but I don't believe Sabonis had any ill intent. The way he grabs Draymond seems more of a natural reaction or reflex than dirty.

 

[GatorAZ]

What Green did was very dangerous. He's no small guy, he could have possibly compressed Sabonis' heart by doing what he did, he essentially made a pumping motion with his leg. 1 game isn't enough.

I don't think i can recall any player stepping on another player as they have always tripped or fell away from the player, not just outright stomping on them then be totally fired up by it.

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[95pro]

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I think that was more in the lines of Chuck wiping his shoes as they were a bit slippery.

 

[Russ Smith]

I am sorry. I watched the clips in slow motion and real time. I would not suspend Draymond at all. Sabonis grabbed his leg. I think Sabonis is more at fault than Green. If I was Green Inwould have done the same thing.

And I am not a fan of Green at all. I do not think the suspension is just. They should have both been ejected. Grabbing a guys leg like that can cause him to fall and a injury too.

Sabonis should be suspended too. That was exactly the outcome that Sabonis was going for.

My issue is Sabonis should be fined. The NBA has a rule that allows them to fine you for flopping if they see it later on tape. In the same game a few minutes earlier he misses a driving shot, goes out of bounds. Draymond gets the rebound saves it to a teammate and while falling out of bounds backwards, Sabonis runs into Draymond, throws his hands up and falls forward face down and immediately flails at the ref who calls a foul on Draymond. Kerr challenged it, the refs watched it and immediately overturned it said it was incidental contact. two minutes later they were unable to challenge a clearly bad call because they'd used the challenge on the Sabonis flop.

It wasn't a "blatant" flop but given everything else in the series involving Sabonis, IMO they should have fined him for that flop. Not suspended, not a T, but a fine.

 

[AzStevenCal]

My issue is Sabonis should be fined. The NBA has a rule that allows them to fine you for flopping if they see it later on tape. In the same game a few minutes earlier he misses a driving shot, goes out of bounds. Draymond gets the rebound saves it to a teammate and while falling out of bounds backwards, Sabonis runs into Draymond, throws his hands up and falls forward face down and immediately flails at the ref who calls a foul on Draymond. Kerr challenged it, the refs watched it and immediately overturned it said it was incidental contact. two minutes later they were unable to challenge a clearly bad call because they'd used the challenge on the Sabonis flop.

It wasn't a "blatant" flop but given everything else in the series involving Sabonis, IMO they should have fined him for that flop. Not suspended, not a T, but a fine.

That flopping rule was a Stern decision, I haven't seen much of it since Silver took over. I'd be in favor of it too but I think it brings up issues with the Players Association because "intent can be obvious to one person yet not to another".

I've always thought the way to go though was to punish the club for flopping rather than the player. Have it escalate with each occurrence so that it gets pretty costly by the time the postseason comes around. If the coaches are financially penalized for each flop, they'll put the brakes on flopping.

 

[Russ Smith]

Sabonis move is a flagrant 2. No more. We’ve seen people grab a leg and they aren’t tossed or suspended. Green hadn’t even begun running, the danger of the grab was minimal. Green’s action in the other hand are typical green. Immediate escalation with intent to injure.

Rich Eisen did a segment on it. He said he's mad that Draymond is happy he got kicked out, you can't do that in the playoffs he let his team down. He said I see Sabonis grab his foot that's uncalled for, and that's after he got away with trying to pull Klay out of his way and the force of that is what caused him to fall down in the first place. But Draymond completely overreacted, stomped on him and deserved the ejection. And then to go nuts and act happy when you're ejected with 6 minutes left and your team goes down 0-2 that's just wrong. You are a likely HOFer, you have to be available for your team. You can't do that.

Post game Green told TNT it was the 2nd time in the series his foot was grabbed with no immediate call and that he had to land his foot somewhere. Clearly that's a lie he stepped on him on purpose.

Eisen said Draymond has not learned. He cost his team a title with the incident with LeBron years ago and he's probably going to knock them out of the playoffs this year over this one.

 

[Russ Smith]

If Green claimed to be happy at his ejection, I think he's just lying, because that's absurd. Why doesn't he just go back on TNT and proclaim he's happy that his team lost without him?! He's lying in the same way that childish and stubborn people, when caught and punished for a wrong action, say 'Ha. Yes, I did it, and I'm glad."

No he didn't say he was happy Eisen did. He's talking about all the clapping and smiling after he's ejected before he starts calling the crowd the P word and stuff. He said you can't act like that you can't be happy you just got tossed out. Your team needs you

 

[Chaplin]

Almost the same difference. If the commentator claims Green is happy, that's no less absurd; and the commentator is overreacting to what was obviously an act. Green is too self-righteous to admit he was a bad boy, so he looks at the audience and goes nyah-nyah.

Green is the 2020s' Bruce Bowen. Except that while Bowen merely shook his head in disgust at those mean-spirited officials, Green insults the fans.

To be fair, fans are some of the most disrespectful aspects of being an NBA player.

 

[Hoop Head]

Almost the same difference. If the commentator claims Green is happy, that's no less absurd; and the commentator is overreacting to what was obviously an act. Green is too self-righteous to admit he was a bad boy, so he looks at the audience and goes nyah-nyah.

Green is the 2020s' Bruce Bowen. Except that while Bowen merely shook his head in disgust at those mean-spirited officials, Green insults the fans.

Green is nothing like Bruce Bowen. He's like a mix of Dennis Rodman and Rasheed Wallace. He's a loudmouth antagonist. Those guys knew where to draw the line though, Green doesn't. He's already cost the Warriors 1 title and now he's helping them get embarrassed in round 1.

 

[Covert Rain]

Green is nothing like Bruce Bowen. He's like a mix of Dennis Rodman and Rasheed Wallace. He's a loudmouth antagonist. Those guys knew where to draw the line though, Green doesn't. He's already cost the Warriors 1 title and now he's helping them get embarrassed in round 1.

Are you saying that Rodman knew were to draw the line? He didn't. At one point Rodman had 17 technical fouls in 13 games. If he was playing today under today's rules (with commissioner discretion and cracking down) they would have more suspensions. Rodman racked up 212. Wallace had the most in a season in NBA history with 41 technical fouls. The commissioner now (just like in Green's case can look at cumulative history). You might have a different definition of drawing the line than I do. NONE of them did IMO.

If you are talking about "Dirty" trying to hurt people? That's different. There are some guys that defintily seem to cross that line way more than others.

 

[Hoop Head]

Are you saying that Rodman knew were to draw the line? He didn't. At one point Rodman had 17 technical fouls in 13 games. If he was playing today under today's rules (with commissioner discretion and cracking down) they would have more suspensions. Rodman racked up 212. Wallace had the most in a season in NBA history with 41 technical fouls. The commissioner now (just like in Green's case can look at cumulative history). You might have a different definition of drawing the line than I do. NONE of them did IMO.

If you are talking about "Dirty" trying to hurt people? That's different. There are some guys that defintily seem to cross that line way more than others.

Rodman didn't get suspended in the NBA Finals for hitting his opponent below the belt, repeatedly. MJ and Phil Jackson could rein him in so he didn't cost the team games, let alone championships. Rodman was no saint but he valued winning. Draymond hasn't proven he puts winning above his own ego and need to disrupt.

 

[Ronin]

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[Vacard]

A bad Payne is still better than Schroder

 

[Russ Smith]

Hope Ja is doing more than celebrating the layups in transition and actually watching why they are happening. it's because when Jones gets the ball he looks up, Ja is more focused on pushing to try and score himself, Jones more interested in advancing the ball with a pass. Tillman is KILLING the Lakers in transition by outrunning the bigs, and Jones is the reason why. 5 assists in the first half.