2024 Draft Countdown/NFL Prospects thread

[ajcardfan]

Yeah, why again is he being touted as a 1st rounder?

Because he is a QB.

 

[ajcardfan]

I didn’t watch those games, so I didn’t comment on them. That’s how firsthand observation works.

I saw the Notre Dame game and if that is the one game you watched of MHJ and made your opinion based on that, you would also think he wasn't worthy of the top pick. Even the greats have a bad game now and then.

 

[Fitz4Ever]

Verse is just a name...could be any DL guy there...same as Mims.. or Rice... but there are players at those spots who will start from day 1 for this team.
But you should keep your eyes on Brenden Rice... traits, attitude, system...all more important than catches and yards in regards to how a guy relates to the nfl...Rice took the portal to SC, played with Caleb....Williams isnt the best QB for a guy whose strength is running routes...he likely doubles his numbers had he gone to a school with a traditional drop back passer. Rice is considered a round 3 pick now...but he wont be come april

Oh I know there are starters to be had at #21 and #35...but if we are looking for a starting #1 WR...Im not sure there are any of those guys around in that range. Its possible because there are so many tier 2 and tier 3 guys that teams wait and it pushes all the WR's down...but my point was that if we see Nabers or Oduze or even Coleman as "the guy", we have the ammo to go and get them and not sit around waiting to see if they fall, or settling for a guy with more question marks.

The same could be said for any position. Shoot, if we take MHJ at #4 and Fashanu falls to that #10 range, I would trade up for him!

 

[oaken1]

Oh I know there are starters to be had at #21 and #35...but if we are looking for a starting #1 WR...Im not sure there are any of those guys around in that range. Its possible because there are so many tier 2 and tier 3 guys that teams wait and it pushes all the WR's down...but my point was that if we see Nabers or Oduze or even Coleman as "the guy", we have the ammo to go and get them and not sit around waiting to see if they fall, or settling for a guy with more question marks.

The same could be said for any position. Shoot, if we take MHJ at #4 and Fashanu falls to that #10 range, I would trade up for him!

we have lots of ammo for sure... but what hurts us a lot is that huge gap after 35, lol...we trade that pick away we are waiting a loooong time before we pick again....if anything I might expect Monti to trade back at 35...to around 45..and maybe pick up another third.
I dunno...my personal philosophy is to get as many picks as you can in the top 50...most drafts the talent starts dropping around there.
while I dont see anybody worthy of using premium picks as trade bait...I can respect the concept of going and getting the guys you really want.

 

[TheCardFan]

You think both OTs AND MHJ will be gone in the first 3 picks? That would mean 0 QBs taken.

That post was before we lost - thinking we could be top 7 at worst.

 

[Fitz4Ever]

we have lots of ammo for sure... but what hurts us a lot is that huge gap after 35, lol...we trade that pick away we are waiting a loooong time before we pick again....if anything I might expect Monti to trade back at 35...to around 45..and maybe pick up another third.
I dunno...my personal philosophy is to get as many picks as you can in the top 50...most drafts the talent starts dropping around there.
while I dont see anybody worthy of using premium picks as trade bait...I can respect the concept of going and getting the guys you really want.

I totally agree. Right now we have 7 picks in the top 100...including 3 3rds.

I would much rather end up with 4 picks in the top 50.

Just using the draft chart that was posted...we could use our current draft capital to end up with picks #4, #9, and #28. I dont think thats super realistic...but again..for a team that is lacking blue chip talent...have 3 picks in the top #28 sounds pretty enticing

Imagine walking out of day 1 with Alt, Odunze, and Newton. At that point I wouldnt care what happend the rest of the draft...we would have massively upgraded the talent on the roster

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Definitely a risk - which is why its best to have 2 targets for that type of move.

But you could miss on both as well!

You mean like with Bryant Johnson and Calvin Pace instead of Suggs

 

[TheCardFan]

You mean like with Bryant Johnson and Calvin Pace instead of Suggs

That was trading 1 pick for 2 in same draft - different example and painful for sure!

My example was trading down slightly with 2 players you really like (trading down from 4 to 6 or 7).

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That post was before we lost - thinking we could be top 7 at worst.

That makes a lot more sense...

 

[MadCardDisease]

According to this chart its worth #9! More than enough to put us in a spot to get Nabers or Odunze...I dont see three Wr's going top 10..but you never know.

You are correct. Math fail for me today.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I saw the Notre Dame game and if that is the one game you watched of MHJ and made your opinion based on that, you would also think he wasn't worthy of the top pick. Even the greats have a bad game now and then.

But this wasn’t the only game I watched of odunze.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Oh I know there are starters to be had at #21 and #35...but if we are looking for a starting #1 WR...Im not sure there are any of those guys around in that range. Its possible because there are so many tier 2 and tier 3 guys that teams wait and it pushes all the WR's down...but my point was that if we see Nabers or Oduze or even Coleman as "the guy", we have the ammo to go and get them and not sit around waiting to see if they fall, or settling for a guy with more question marks.

The same could be said for any position. Shoot, if we take MHJ at #4 and Fashanu falls to that #10 range, I would trade up for him!

I would be thrilled but the thing is we have so many needs on d. I see 21 as the corner value with the 2 Alabama guys quinyon and Wiggins. How about harrisson kool aid and Barton at 35? I would love newton or verse at 21 but I just don’t see them being on the board

 

[oaken1]

I would be thrilled but the thing is we have so many needs on d. I see 21 as the corner value with the 2 Alabama guys quinyon and Wiggins. How about harrisson kool aid and Barton at 35? I would love newton or verse at 21 but I just don’t see them being on the board

remains to be seen of course but I dont think this staff is going to value corners... Gannons D in philly made their living getting pressure with 4 and dropping 7...dont need premiere corners in a system like that.
Murphy was getting some first round love back in december, his play in the bowl game could only help...there are a few guys who may be there early twenties, which a team chooses is mostly a matter of preference as they all have upside.

 

[Harry]

The Athletic‘s new mock has New England taking Harrison.

 

[juza76]

Unfortunately MHJ selected with the second overall pick
Then at 4 I go with best player available
Two good defensive linemen to upgrade the worst unit in the NFL
2 big talented wrs

 

[TheCardFan]

@juza76 - I am currently leaning that way as well.

Alt and Brian Thomas Jr in round 1.

If MHJ is there though...

 

[RON_IN_OC]

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[slanidrac16]

We better start getting our minds right and make plans for MHJ being gone.
I can see us trading down and going defense like Verse and then coming back up and getting the best Wr whether it’s Odunze, Nabers, or Coleman. We then turn back to defense.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

We better start getting our minds right and make plans for MHJ being gone.
I can see us trading down and going defense like Verse and then coming back up and getting the best Wr whether it’s Odunze, Nabers, or Coleman. We then turn back to defense.

Somewhere you're forgetting OL. That needs to be an early priority in the draft.

Maybe Pass rush with 1st pick, like you say after a trade back....then OL with 2nd pick. Then WR early round 2?

 

[slanidrac16]

Somewhere you're forgetting OL. That needs to be an early priority in the draft.

Maybe Pass rush with 1st pick, like you say after a trade back....then OL with 2nd pick. Then WR early round 2?

Not forgetting the o-line. I think if our plan is to move PJJ to the left side I think we will sign a f/a RT.
I say that because more often than not an o-lineman drafted in the 3rd or 4th round are looked at as a development kind of player and not a player we’d be depending on as we head into 2024.

 

[oaken1]

Not forgetting the o-line. I think if our plan is to move PJJ to the left side I think we will sign a f/a RT.
I say that because more often than not an o-lineman drafted in the 3rd or 4th round are looked at as a development kind of player and not a player we’d be depending on as we head into 2024.

back of the first or early second there are several guys who can step in at RT day one

 

[SoonerLou]

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[GatorAZ]

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[TheCardFan]

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Nice job Monti!!

Now pick the right players!

 

[Stout]

Somewhere you're forgetting OL. That needs to be an early priority in the draft.

Maybe Pass rush with 1st pick, like you say after a trade back....then OL with 2nd pick. Then WR early round 2?

Hard pass on this plan.