#4 it is

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Then why did Fox shoot up the rankings? #3 pick is not as obvious a pick as fans would tend to believe. If everything was so obvious then why do teams have workouts for players?

To confirm what they already know. Just bc Jackson is #3 and some say fox is #4 dorsnt mean their talent is similar. That's where the first talent cliff exists. If they were slotted according talent it likely would look something like:


1. Fultz
1.4. Ball
3. Jackson
7. Fox
7.1. Tatum
9. Isaac
10. Who cares

 

[pokerface]

I could see a possible trade of the #3 pick for Bledsoe, Bender and/ or Warren plus a Miami pick. That would allow us to pick Fox and Jackson. That would continue the team's young energy vibe!

I'm not ready to give up on Bender. Warren would be do-able.

 

[hsandhu]

To confirm what they already know. Just bc Jackson is #3 and some say fox is #4 dorsnt mean their talent is similar. That's where the first talent cliff exists. If they were slotted according talent it likely would look something like:


1. Fultz
1.4. Ball
3. Jackson
7. Fox
7.1. Tatum
9. Isaac
10. Who cares

Seriously, how many people are holding onto the idea that ball and fox are that far off?

Ford may be wromg, but his reporting last week is many have them even, some even with fox ahead.

A super freak athlete, either fox or jackson will be there at 4.

 

[pokerface]

To confirm what they already know. Just bc Jackson is #3 and some say fox is #4 dorsnt mean their talent is similar. That's where the first talent cliff exists. If they were slotted according talent it likely would look something like:


1. Fultz
1.4. Ball
3. Jackson
7. Fox
7.1. Tatum
9. Isaac
10. Who cares

I think they conduct workouts for reasons...I don't know if there is a vast difference between Fox and Jackson. Both are very athletic...both known as defenders.. both need work on their offense. Yeah Jackson is bigger though.

 

[TJ]

Realistically available at 4, I'd go:

Josh Jackson
Lauri
Tatum
Fox

 

[AzStevenCal]

Fox = Bledsoe? I just don't see all that many the similarities. Fox doesn't have knee problems, sees the court much better and I don't believe he has quite the turnover problems that Eric does either. He's also closer to ideal PG height and looks to be the superior defender too. Also, just looking at their stats, Fox looks to be the far superior all around player too.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Seriously, how many people are holding onto the idea that ball and fox are that far off?

Ford may be wromg, but his reporting last week is many have them even, some even with fox ahead.

A super freak athlete, either fox or jackson will be there at 4.

Fox didn't test as a super freak athlete. And his measurements weren't off the charts.

 

[Mainstreet]

Fox didn't test as a super freak athlete. And his measurements weren't off the charts.

Neither did Booker.

Almost every draft there are players that sneak through the cracks.

 

[hsandhu]

Fox didn't test as a super freak athlete. And his measurements weren't off the charts.

Not a surprise he didnt test as a super freak, considering he only did measurments at the combine

All I know is in two games lonzo couldn't stay in front of him

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Fox = Bledsoe? I just don't see all that many the similarities. Fox doesn't have knee problems, sees the court much better and I don't believe he has quite the turnover problems that Eric does either. He's also closer to ideal PG height and looks to be the superior defender too. Also, just looking at their stats, Fox looks to be the far superior all around player too.

Neither were known as shooters coming out. Neither are known as great distributors (look at fox's assist numbers). Both were considered great defenders (that was bledsoe's primary upside when we acquired him). Both are considered the upside athletes. The primary difference is that fox is an inch and half to two inches taller and younger. I'll leave the injury point out of this because I'm just comparing what they bring to the table on the court (and yes I know you argue bledsoes availability but he was pretty healthy this year so his on-court contribution has to be counted). So even though fox is taller, it's not taller to a point of it being an advantage against other teams like a 6'5 or 6'6 pg would be to create mismatches. Also if you factor age and injury against Bledsoe and in favor of fox you also have to factor in the fact that Bledsoe has proven the ability to average 20 and 6 in the league and fox's success at those rates in the NBA are projection at best at present. So yeah I think they're comparable.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Neither did Booker.

Almost every draft there are players that sneak through the cracks.

Actually that's not true. I recall that Booker surprised with his athletic testing. In fact it was just the opposite - the consensus was that Booker wasn't a good athlete and the testing shocked people with good numbers.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not a surprise he didnt test as a super freak, considering he only did measurments at the combine

All I know is in two games lonzo couldn't stay in front of him

That's right he didn't do the drills. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Fox didn't test as a super freak athlete. And his measurements weren't off the charts.

He didn't but I thought that was because he didn't actually do any of the testing? We know he's a very good athlete and his measurements were as expected other than coming in 15 pounds lighter. He's got ideal PG height and good length and he's shown the ability to guard both spots. My only concern is his very weak 3 point shot, if he can't fix that it's going to be difficult to hide him on offense.

 

[Mainstreet]

Actually that's not true. I recall that Booker surprised with his athletic testing. In fact it was just the opposite - the consensus was that Booker wasn't a good athlete and the testing shocked people with good numbers.

Booker was not a freak athlete by any means. Only going from memory, but I think he moved well in half-court drills covering space.

 

[Mainstreet]

He didn't but I thought that was because he didn't actually do any of the testing? We know he's a very good athlete and his measurements were as expected other than coming in 15 pounds lighter. He's got ideal PG height and good length and he's shown the ability to guard both spots. My only concern is his very weak 3 point shot, if he can't fix that it's going to be difficult to hide him on offense.

He might be the best PG in the draft. I'm not sure if he gets beyond #3.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Neither were known as shooters coming out. Neither are known as great distributors (look at fox's assist numbers). Both were considered great defenders (that was bledsoe's primary upside when we acquired him). Both are considered the upside athletes. The primary difference is that fox is an inch and half to two inches taller and younger. I'll leave the injury point out of this because I'm just comparing what they bring to the table on the court (and yes I know you argue bledsoes availability but he was pretty healthy this year so his on-court contribution has to be counted). So even though fox is taller, it's not taller to a point of it being an advantage against other teams like a 6'5 or 6'6 pg would be to create mismatches. Also if you factor age and injury against Bledsoe and in favor of fox you also have to factor in the fact that Bledsoe has proven the ability to average 20 and 6 in the league and fox's success at those rates in the NBA are projection at best at present. So yeah I think they're comparable.

I think you'll find that Fox is closer to 3 inches taller although Eric has an advantage with his length compared to height. We don't know what Fox will do in the pros but compare their college stats, Fox is far above him overall. I don't know that I want Fox but just viewing them from a college perspective I don't think they're all that much alike.

 

[JCSunsfan]

More Suns lore. 4th pick in a three player draft. Typical.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

More Suns lore. 4th pick in a three player draft. Typical.

I think this is one of the biggest misnomers being thrown around. IMO this draft is at least 6 players deep as far as players with star potential. Obviously Fultz, Ball and Jackson are at the top of that in the eyes of most annalists and fans, but Fox, Isaac and Tatum all have star potential IMO. Isaac is one of my favorite players in this draft and I would snatch him off the board in a heartbeat if the top 3 are gone.

 

[AzStevenCal]

For me, the worst part about ending up 4th is that we might fall victim to the lure of number 1. I'd be very surprised if Boston doesn't try to trade down. This is a good draft but Fultz just isn't what they need, neither is Ball. I think they'd be happier with Jackson, Isaac, Markkanen and probably any of several others.

 

[mojorizen7]

I'd love to see J.Jackson fall to us at #4 but i'll be wearing a cup just in case....

Should have been a top 3 pick. Would have been a top 3 pick if the NBA's darling franchise wasn't involved.

 

[TJ]

For me, the worst part about ending up 4th is that we might fall victim to the lure of number 1. I'd be very surprised if Boston doesn't try to trade down. This is a good draft but Fultz just isn't what they need, neither is Ball. I think they'd be happier with Jackson, Isaac, Markkanen and probably any of several others.

I could see a trade up to three to guarantee Josh Jackson, but not to one. Boston should just take Fultz and not overthink. Lonzo likely has his locker at Staples center already, so that's out of the question.

 

[Azlen]

There's no guarantee that if the Sixers don't want Jackson that he will fall to the Suns. Wouldn't be surprised at all for Philly to trade down a bit and still be able to draft the person that they want.

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[hsandhu]

On suns.com MCD interview says the eric bledsoe question is likely settled not getting 1 or 2, and how they value him as part of team, community etc...

So it seems in their mind right now fox is not an option at 4, they're probably thinking jackson option 1, tatum option 2.

 

[hsandhu]

There's no guarantee that if the Sixers don't want Jackson that he will fall to the Suns. Wouldn't be surprised at all for Philly to trade down a bit and still be able to draft the person that they want.

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Suns have miami picks that philly only has to drop 1 spot down to get, if for example they want monk but are willing trade down a couple spots

 

[pokerface]

On suns.com MCD interview says the eric bledsoe question is likely settled not getting 1 or 2, and how they value him as part of team, community etc...

So it seems in their mind right now fox is not an option at 4, they're probably thinking jackson option 1, tatum option 2.

Just because Bled could stay doesn't necessarily mean Fox is out. I don't think they would want to start Fox from day one. Bledsoe could easily mentor him for a year. Fox could also be a backup plan in case Bled walks.