4th round pick - Logan Thomas QB VT

[Billy Bob]

Can you give us an update on what he said?

Thanks

I can't, my girlfriend called, i missed most it. all I heard was the hello how are you part.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I can't, my girlfriend called, i missed most it. all I heard was the hello how are you part.

But did that part sound promising?

 

[Billy Bob]

But did that part sound promising?

yes!

 

[Matt L]

I liked his press conference! I am in on Logan Thomas

 

[Russ Smith]

I wouldn't call Duke "mediocre" last year. They would have handled UCLA with ease, just like the Sun Devils did.

I like the pick of Thomas; as others have stated he has a very high ceiling, and on day three, you might as well swing for the fences.

If Logan Thomas reaches his potential, he's a top five QB in the NFL. If he doesn't, you lost a 4th round pick. The only argument against this pick that I can understand, is that it may persuade the team into NOT going after a QB in next years draft, though I don't really see anyone I want.

Mariota has his issues; He played in a nontraditional offense and his decline at the end of the year is worrisome. Watch the Oregon-UofA game, and tell me that Mariota looks like even a draftable prospect. Hundley is terribad from a pro perspective. I don't think he has the mental acumen to be a great NFL QB and he has mechanical issues that he needs to fix. Winston has major character concerns (would I really want my pro sports team to bring THAT GUY into my community?!?!).

Duke gave up 27 PPG last year. Compare what they did against FSU, Texas A&M and Pitt who averaged over 50 PPG against Duke. Va Tech scored 13. Duke was good offensive team, and a pretty average defensive team 64th in points allowed in the FBS.

I agree about next year I don't want Winston, I keep saying Hundley is a terrific college QB who I doubt will succeed in the NFL(not accurate), not all that high on Mariota.

I have no idea what would have happened I would add Duke beat Va Tech 13-10, UCLA beat Va Tech 42-12.

I get the it's just a 4th round stuff but then here's Arians bragging that he lied about not picking a QB to throw people off Thomas. How he had teams calling wanting to trade up to get him and he knows at least 2 teams right behind us who were picking Thomas if we didn't. So he's clearly not saying hey it's just a 4th rounder, he's saying we got a steal.

I've seen several of his games the UCLA game,the Alabama one, parts of several from his soph-senior year. I must be his kryptonite because every game I saw, he stunk.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Duke gave up 27 PPG last year. Compare what they did against FSU, Texas A&M and Pitt who averaged over 50 PPG against Duke. Va Tech scored 13. Duke was good offensive team, and a pretty average defensive team 64th in points allowed in the FBS.

I agree about next year I don't want Winston, I keep saying Hundley is a terrific college QB who I doubt will succeed in the NFL(not accurate), not all that high on Mariota.

I have no idea what would have happened I would add Duke beat Va Tech 13-10, UCLA beat Va Tech 42-12.

I get the it's just a 4th round stuff but then here's Arians bragging that he lied about not picking a QB to throw people off Thomas. How he had teams calling wanting to trade up to get him and he knows at least 2 teams right behind us who were picking Thomas if we didn't. So he's clearly not saying hey it's just a 4th rounder, he's saying we got a steal.

I've seen several of his games the UCLA game,the Alabama one, parts of several from his soph-senior year. I must be his kryptonite because every game I saw, he stunk.

Me too.

 

[82CardsGrad]

This would be so HUGE if he pans out!!!

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...Prepared/39863311-e0d1-4546-8599-bb1e86a666ed

Ready Or Not, Logan Thomas Prepared
Working with Whitfield, Cardinals has quarterback believing he'll develop

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Quarterback Logan Thomas

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, the Cardinals' fourth-round pick, throws a pass this week during Phase 2 work.​

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Skelton v. Kolb debates...man, those were dark freaking days. And yet Wiz STILL somehow won 11 of 13 games at one point with those pathetic scrubs behind center...and yet, a lot of people here still think he's a bad coach.

The Skelton vs. Kolb debates were pretty good.

But you and Duck haven't mentioned the QB who's the #1 AFSN bandwidth-consumer of all time.

Just mountains and mountains of posts about this one person...

 

[HoodieBets]

The Skelton vs. Kolb debates were pretty good.

But you and Duck haven't mentioned the QB who's the #1 AFSN bandwidth-consumer of all time.

Just mountains and mountains of posts about this one person...

Jeff Blake?

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[kerouac9]

I think Whisenhunt is a good coach with a bad supporting cast.

The Whisenhunt/Rod Graves marriage was bad. Neither are personnel guys, and it's now pretty certain that they made most of the picks on who the team was taking.

His trust in Russ Grimm is baffling. Based on everything we've seen since and at the time, Russ Grimm is an awful developer of talent. Supposedly he's a good X's and O's guy, but this team needed someone to mold talent, and Grimm is not that guy.

I think if Whisenhunt has a strong GM that lays down the rules, Whisenhunt will be a very good head coach.

Why is that only "now certain"? Were they promoting Keim from within because he gave good speeches that no one listened to? You have no more evidence that Keim wasn't a primary decision-maker on the draft than I do that Keim was the primary voice--except that Keim is still around, and those guys weren't.

In particular, the Keim scent is all over the Andre Roberts, Rob Housler, Ryan Williams selections, as well as probably Bobbie Massie.

If you think Nikklas is a developmental player, you're dead wrong. He'll play right away, but he's not at the top of his potential yet, but that can be said about 250 other players coming into the NFL. Nikklas just has more of a ceiling right now than most players coming out.

Niklas seems to think that he's a developmental player. That he has a lot to learn about the TE position, has only played it two years, hasn't learned a lot of bad habits that he'll have to unlearn, etc.

And I like Niklas; I have no problem with the pick.

 

[Russ Smith]

Why is that only "now certain"? Were they promoting Keim from within because he gave good speeches that no one listened to? You have no more evidence that Keim wasn't a primary decision-maker on the draft than I do that Keim was the primary voice--except that Keim is still around, and those guys weren't.

In particular, the Keim scent is all over the Andre Roberts, Rob Housler, Ryan Williams selections, as well as probably Bobbie Massie.



Niklas seems to think that he's a developmental player. That he has a lot to learn about the TE position, has only played it two years, hasn't learned a lot of bad habits that he'll have to unlearn, etc.

And I like Niklas; I have no problem with the pick.

My only concern on him is he seems to body catch from the bits I've seen. But he does look like a kid who in a couple of years will be a very good blocker with the speed to make plays in the passing game.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...Prepared/39863311-e0d1-4546-8599-bb1e86a666ed

Good read.

This was interesting

Whitfield has built his quarterback coaching teaching a player to deal with “chaos” and the idea that half the time, a quarterback must make immediate adjustments in the pocket to pull off a play. He sees Thomas – playing for an offensively talent-challenged team at Virginia Tech – in the same vein as Jay Cutler, who didn’t have a lot around him in college at Vanderbilt.

“Logan knows the water gets choppy,” Whitfield said. “I think that bodes well for him.

“The Cardinals had Matt Leinart down there. At USC, there wasn’t a whole lot of turbulence there, not much chaos. Tough to really know if you have that type of resolve if you’ve never seen it. Logan has it.”

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Has to be an upgrade to Lindley

Definitely a project for BA

Tried to get through this thread without a comment.

Got a whole 4 posts in.

My pet rock is an upgrade from Lindley.

I like this pick, though I really don't know much about the guy, primarily because it means the end of Ryan Lindley, whom is Tennesse bound!

He can go learn under clipboard Jesus.

 

[PACardsFan]

I had a few vacation days I needed to burn before the end of our fiscal year, so I watched quite a bit of VT football from last year. Bottom line, they were an AWFUL offensive football team. They had a true freshman starting at LT. That alone speaks volumes. The offensive line had almost no push whatsoever, so the running game was nonexistent. I kept looking for Russ Grimm on their sideline, because I was sure he had some involvement in that offense! The wide receivers to a man all played with alligator arms. Not a receiver on that team could create any separation whatsoever, and I've never seen a group drop as many passes as that one. Now I understand why Arians spent so much time having Thomas evaluated. Here's what I saw:

1. Thomas only averaged 3+ yds per carry, because he was always hit by multiple tacklers behind the LOS, and then dragged them for 5+ yards. Whenever he had any kind of seam, he gained 20 yards in the open field.
2. When given time, this kid could throw every pass needed to not only be an NFL QB, but an outstanding NFL QB.
3. If his receivers were even just above average, he would have easily completed over 62% of his passes.
4. Because of their inept OL, I've never seen a team in so many 3rd & longs. Defenses pinned back their ears & brought it. It was like watching our offense from 2 years ago.
5. I was impressed with his leadership skills too. As bad as this offense was, he was constantly communicating on the sideline with them.
6. If Thomas had even one of the outstanding wideouts that were so prevalent in this draft, then he would have been in competition to win the Heisman.

The more film I watch, the more I LOVE this pick. There are no guarantees, and the kid has a lot of work to do, but he has the skill set & upside to be the best 4th round pick in Cardinal history. This kid could be special!!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I have been reading up on this kid:

1. His size. Bigger/taller than Big Ben, Cam Newton, and Colin Kaepernick.

2. His arm strength is RIDICULOUS. Holy Moly. As close to JeMarcus Russell as I have seen.

3. Runs a 4.6 forty.

4. If he completely fails as a QB. A 6'6" and 260lbs. He can play TE. No problem.

5. Mobility comparisons to Skelton and McCown are RIDICULOUS. Sorry, that is just false, hater, weak opinions. Say what you want about accuracy and reading defenses, but with the ball in his hand he is lethal.


For a 4th round boom/bust pick. Yeah, I cannot see why someone would be hating on this pick.

The phrase they are using is: "Put Humpty Dumpty back together"....well, if they do, WATCH OUT! This kid could be dangerous.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

LOL man I love talking myself into picks (especially QBs) and I'm cautiously excited to see Thomas develop but damn there are ALOT of Kool Aid drinkers getting on board - more then I have seen with any QB we have ever had save KW. I love what everyone is mentioning but I wouldn't get TOO excited either. Was a smart pick but he's far from a sure thing.

TC and PS will be interesting this year!

 

[BullheadCardFan]

TC and PS will be interesting this year!

Yes it will.

We have lots to look forward to even without the LT situation. I am excited and anxiously waiting like I am every year. It's in my blood, lol.

As far as LT is concerned it just adds more to the mix just because his upside is so big.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I have been reading up on this kid:

1. His size. Bigger/taller than Big Ben, Cam Newton, and Colin Kaepernick.

2. His arm strength is RIDICULOUS. Holy Moly. As close to JeMarcus Russell as I have seen.

3. Runs a 4.6 forty.

4. If he completely fails as a QB. A 6'6" and 260lbs. He can play TE. No problem.

5. Mobility comparisons to Skelton and McCown are RIDICULOUS. Sorry, that is just false, hater, weak opinions. Say what you want about accuracy and reading defenses, but with the ball in his hand he is lethal.


For a 4th round boom/bust pick. Yeah, I cannot see why someone would be hating on this pick.

The phrase they are using is: "Put Humpty Dumpty back together"....well, if they do, WATCH OUT! This kid could be dangerous.

I don't think there is any way you just switch a player from a position like QB to TE at this level that easily. I believe he will succeed at QB or he will just plain fail.

He has all the makings of a great Arians-type QB. His mobility gives pause to think that he might be better than Skelton. As far as accuracy, I guess only time will tell if it was receivers running bad routes or the QB failing to deliver.

I do know that he has to develop a little touch with the ball. Not every ball should be a fastball. I believe that was one of DA's problems. He just could not develop the nuances.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I don't think there is any way you just switch a player from a position like QB to TE at this level that easily. I believe he will succeed at QB or he will just plain fail.

He has all the makings of a great Arians-type QB. His mobility gives pause to think that he might be better than Skelton. As far as accuracy, I guess only time will tell if it was receivers running bad routes or the QB failing to deliver.

I do know that he has to develop a little touch with the ball. Not every ball should be a fastball. I believe that was one of DA's problems. He just could not develop the nuances.

I like that when Thomas was asked in his presser which QBs playing styles he sees himself most like, he said Luck and Rodgers. Essentially a pure pocket passer that can hurt you with his feet when a play breaks down or when players aren't getting open. Kind of expected to hear a comparison to Newton or something like that so I was mildly surprised (in a good way) with his answer.

 

[Hollywood]

I dont understand how anyone can bag on a 4th round pick with such high potential. There is really NO risk. If he falls flat on his face you just shrug and say, "oh well, he was just a 4th round project pick anyway."

But if he works out you have the steal of the draft.

For the record I am drinking the koolaid on this one. The only misgiving I have is if he can check down. It seems like he didnt do it much in the admittedly little bit of film of him I have watched.

Am I alone in this?

Pisted from my pjone so please excuse any type-o's or misspelings

 

[AzStevenCal]

I dont understand how anyone can bag on a 4th round pick with such high potential. There is really NO risk. If he falls flat on his face you just shrug and say, "oh well, he was just a 4th round project pick anyway."

But if he works out you have the steal of the draft.

For the record I am drinking the koolaid on this one. The only misgiving I have is if he can check down. It seems like he didnt do it much in the admittedly little bit of film of him I have watched.

Am I alone in this?

Pisted from my pjone so please excuse any type-o's or misspelings

I agree. It would have been nice to take an Andrew Luck in the first round but given that none were available, I like the possibility of finding our QBOF in the fourth round. I worry about wasting a year or two while we find out whether or not he has it in him but it's a worry we can live with especially given the payoff.

Steve

 

[cardncubfan]

I dont understand how anyone can bag on a 4th round pick with such high potential. There is really NO risk. If he falls flat on his face you just shrug and say, "oh well, he was just a 4th round project pick anyway."

But if he works out you have the steal of the draft.

For the record I am drinking the koolaid on this one. The only misgiving I have is if he can check down. It seems like he didnt do it much in the admittedly little bit of film of him I have watched.

Am I alone in this?

Pisted from my pjone so please excuse any type-o's or misspelings

 

[kerouac9]

I dont understand how anyone can bag on a 4th round pick with such high potential. There is really NO risk. If he falls flat on his face you just shrug and say, "oh well, he was just a 4th round project pick anyway."

But if he works out you have the steal of the draft.

For the record I am drinking the koolaid on this one. The only misgiving I have is if he can check down. It seems like he didnt do it much in the admittedly little bit of film of him I have watched.

Am I alone in this?

Pisted from my pjone so please excuse any type-o's or misspelings

I guess this is what I disagree with. Even a disappointing 4th round pick should play 200+ snaps for you on special teams his rookie season, with the hope of contributing in sub packages for another 200+ plays his second year.

The problem with Logan Thomas is that if he doesn't/can't develop, then you're going to get 0 snaps from him and have to use a lower-round pick/free agent/veteran free agent to fill the role that you could have plugged a superior prospect into.

Just as an example--Alameda Ta'Amu was a 4th round pick in 2012. If Logan Thomas works out (a high-unlikelihood proposition in the best of circumstances--like 1 in 200), you don't even get that kind of contribution.

 

[Hollywood]

I guess this is what I disagree with. Even a disappointing 4th round pick should play 200+ snaps for you on special teams his rookie season, with the hope of contributing in sub packages for another 200+ plays his second year.

The problem with Logan Thomas is that if he doesn't/can't develop, then you're going to get 0 snaps from him and have to use a lower-round pick/free agent/veteran free agent to fill the role that you could have plugged a superior prospect into.

Just as an example--Alameda Ta'Amu was a 4th round pick in 2012. If Logan Thomas works out (a high-unlikelihood proposition in the best of circumstances--like 1 in 200), you don't even get that kind of contribution.

You mean Alameda Ta'Amu who played 0 games for the team that drafted him? Much less 200+ snaps on special teams.

Every player is a gamble. There are no guarantees that a player will stick no matter which round you draft him in (see Ryan Leaf). But if you do your homework and keep the risk balanced with the reward its all good. IMO Thomas is a low risk (well, as low as any quarterback is) extremely high reward player. Kind of like Mathieu was/is. If Peterson wasn't on this team he probably wouldn't have been drafted (at least not in the third round) because the risk would have been too high.

Its BASK taking a calculated risk and if they see something in Thomas that can be worked with then its an acceptable one as far as I am concerned.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I guess this is what I disagree with. Even a disappointing 4th round pick should play 200+ snaps for you on special teams his rookie season, with the hope of contributing in sub packages for another 200+ plays his second year.

The problem with Logan Thomas is that if he doesn't/can't develop, then you're going to get 0 snaps from him and have to use a lower-round pick/free agent/veteran free agent to fill the role that you could have plugged a superior prospect into.

Just as an example--Alameda Ta'Amu was a 4th round pick in 2012. If Logan Thomas works out (a high-unlikelihood proposition in the best of circumstances--like 1 in 200), you don't even get that kind of contribution.

This is true, but the same could be said had they drafted an offensive or a big defensive lineman because odds are that neither of those positions will have a whole lot of special teams responsibilities either. Maybe some field goal and extra point blocking for the offensive lineman and fg/extra point block plays for the defensive lineman. My point being that QB isn't the only position they could have drafted that wouldn't be doing much of anything if they aren't starting.