7 seconds or Shaq the best offense ever?

[Sunburn]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-090317

Hollinger says seven seconds or shaq could be the best offense of all time. It would've been nice to see them under Gentry for the whole season, even if we can't beat the elite. At the very least, it would've upped everyone's trade value.

 

[lou_skywalker]

yeah unfortunately there are only 15 games left to exhibit this in the season.
Next year we might have some roster changes and things should be changing gradually as the team try to rebuild with a better defensive focus.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Hollinger? Talking solely about offense? Complimenting the Suns?

Someone have controversial pics of him or something?

 

[Andrew]

Wow.

 

[lou_skywalker]

that's why we get owned by good teams. No one is willing to realize our defensive deficiencies.

 

[cobbler]

clippers, clippers, thunder, and warriors

 

[Cheesewater]

clippers, clippers, thunder, and warriors

NBA team, NBA team, NBA team, and NBA team.

Here's a quote from the article:

"That 16-game stretch I recounted above included seven games against the league's top six defenses, so Phoenix put up its mind-boggling numbers despite facing high-quality opposition."

It's not like they scored 140 four times and 67 the rest of the way.

Hollinger's article takes into account the whole season as well and still indicates a high efficiency offense.

 

[TheHopToad]

Defense wins championships.

 

[Cheesewater]

Defense wins championships.

The article is not about championships, but thanks for the reminder.

 

[mojorizen7]

Defense wins championships.

Offense wins divisional titles.

 

[lou_skywalker]

Offense wins divisional titles.

ans gets u more ticket sales.

 

[Blackification]

if they had amare it would be.

 

[cly2tw]

Defense!
And, our TOs and bad transition DEFENSE.

That's no surprise that currently we play better when Nash is out off the court sufficiently long.

 

[nashman]

keep telling yourself that cly2tw...ridiculous we don't play better with Nash off the floor! Their are very few times when we actually play well with Nash on the bench usually its when lead evaporate and we start losing games sorry your totally wrong.

 

[green machine]

keep telling yourself that cly2tw...ridiculous we don't play better with Nash off the floor! Their are very few times when we actually play well with Nash on the bench usually its when lead evaporate and we start losing games sorry your totally wrong.

An offense built around Nash is not one that will prosper in the playoffs.

 

[Bufalay]

Defense!
And, our TOs and bad transition DEFENSE.

That's no surprise that currently we play better when Nash is out off the court sufficiently long.

cly2tw:Nash Bashing :: Andrew:Expressing romantic feelings towards Shaq.

 

[Covert Rain]

The problem with the 7 seconds or less systems is that you make defensive sacrifices to run the system. For instance, you have less people to crash the boards because you always have guys ready to run on the wing. In addition (as D'Antoni is proving in New York), the type of players needed to run this system are more geared toward offense not defense. There are very few players who are dominate on both ends of the court. So to build a team that can run 7 seconds and less and defend very good is a monumental task IMO.

It's all great to score offensive numbers like that. However, in the end, can you get enough stops to go all the way? I have seen no evidence of that in the D'Antoni era or post D'Antoni era. There have been other high powered offensive teams Mavs, Kings, Golden State, Suns etc...they all have two things in common. Crappy defense and no rings. So, we might have the best offense ever but still have nothing to show for it. I would trade the best offensive in the world for team that plays balanced on both ends of the floor in a heartbeat.

I kind of compare that to the old Run N Shoot NFL systems that everyone was running for a while. Teams went out and stocked up on offensive talent to run the system but had nothing on the other side of the ball. Those teams put up unreal offensive numbers but none of them could defend worth a lick and never went anywhere.

 

[cly2tw]

cly2tw:Nash Bashing :: Andrew:Expressing romantic feelings towards Shaq.

Right. Telling what evidence tells you is called bashing. I was wellknown for the most consistent Marion basher here, too.

keep telling yourself that cly2tw...ridiculous we don't play better with Nash off the floor! Their are very few times when we actually play well with Nash on the bench usually its when lead evaporate and we start losing games sorry your totally wrong.

It used to be under DA. But in the last 16 games, the opposite is true.

 

[Andrew]

Why am I always brought up? I swear some of you must really like me...

 

[Brianellsworth]

Why am I always brought up? I swear some of you must really like me...

I like you Andrew but I am no where near the amount of man love that you have openly admitted for Shaq....to be honest with you I will be a little sad when Shaq is no longer on the Suns and you never come to the board anymore. I know when I get on ASFN and I see that you have made a comment that whatever you have said will make my day.

 

[AfroSuns]

clippers, clippers, thunder, and warriors

We know those are not elite team but didn't the Thunder beat the Spurs yesterday and took the the Mavs to overtime last week. This is the NBA; you dont show up you dont win and we all know we didn't win with defense, but if a team try to outplay the Suns on offense alone then they are more likely to lose 70% of the time.

 

[mojorizen7]

We know those are not elite team but didn't the Thunder beat the Spurs yesterday and took the the Mavs to overtime last week. This is the NBA; you dont show up you dont win and we all know we didn't win with defense, but if a team try to outplay the Suns on offense alone then they are more likely to lose 70% of the time.

Maybe, but the good teams don't play that game. They stay patient on offense knowing they'll get plenty of good shots and go right at Nash.
Thus they don't cooperate with our plan to run them outta the gym,hence we lose.

 

[nashman]

We are not losing games just because of Nash that premise is just stupid. Most of the players on the team are guilty of the exact same thing as Nash which is letting their guy score uncontested occasionally. Nash puts effort in on D which is obvious if you watch he just gets abused by fast guys that can simply pick him and go to the hoop. I love how people act like PG's around the league are great defenders when in reality their are only a handful. Nash is still one of the top PG's in the league and make our offense run great...when people are hitting their shots like in the GS game. When Nash has to score because guys aren't hitting their shots is when the team gets in trouble. And to say this system doesn't have playoff success is just a dumb statement this team has done well in the playoffs except against certain teams namely the Spurs...guess what lots of teams get beat by the Spurs thats why they win championships they are pretty damn good veteran team. We failed to get over the hump that doesn't mean we weren't successful. I guess only one team a year is successful in some peoples eyes geesh!

 

[Covert Rain]

We are not losing games just because of Nash that premise is just stupid. Most of the players on the team are guilty of the exact same thing as Nash which is letting their guy score uncontested occasionally.

Nashman, other guys do let other players drive right around them and do play SOME bad defense. However, the difference is...not as much as Nash. Nobody is as bad as Nash on this team in the starting 5. Nobody. That is a fact. Nobody has it happen to them more often then Nash that is a fact.

So you might be right about it not being all of Nash's fault but Nash is the #1 weak link in the starting lineup on this team defensively.

Nash puts effort in on D which is obvious if you watch he just gets abused by fast guys that can simply pick him and go to the hoop.

What does that mean? So what if he puts in effort. It doesn't change the fact that he is one of the worst defensive Point Guards in the league. He also is #2 in the league in turnovers at the PG position.

Dude...open your eyes. Nash is major contributer to this teams defensive problems if not the number one culprit. Yes, Nash does some amazing things on offense but offense is not going to win us a title. This team needs more defense.

 

[mojorizen7]

I love Nash's effort on D and i also love his fiery competitive nature but the fact that he's an awful defender cannot be overlooked in the grand scheme of things. IMO it's time to give Barbosa the starting nod at SG and i don't think putting him alongside Nash is a good idea moving forward.