A KT blunder that doesn't get talked about...

[sundevil04]

In the J Upton trade, we apparently were given a choice between Julio Teheran and Randall Delgado...


Teheran has a 1.47 ERA in 43 IP this season and a 3.11 ERA in 254 IP through his career. Delgado..well....not so much (5.50 ERA)


http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2013/1/24/3910712/mlb-rumors-justin-upton-braves-offer-julio-teheran


http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/31091/julio-teheran


http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/31093/randall-delgado

Rumor is we (KT) were concerned about Teheran's arm that his delivery could be a problem with injuries in the future.

 

[devilalum]

If Teheran was on the Dbacks his ERA would be over 9.

 

[Lefty]

Upton has 9 homers so far.

 

[Lefty]

Cody Ross is 3 for 38 this year.

 

[AZ Native]

Upton has 9 homers so far.

He loves April

 

[Phrazbit]

He loves April

What do Cody Ross, Trumbo, Campana or any of the other grossly inept players we've attempted to replace Upton with? The Mendoza line?

 

[AZ Native]

What do Cody Ross, Trumbo, Campana or any of the other grossly inept players we've attempted to replace Upton with? The Mendoza line?

I'm not sure what that has to do with my comment that Upton loves April. Just stating an obvious fact. Nothing more.

 

[Phrazbit]

Sorry, I took it as a "but he sucks the rest of the year", which is incorrect.

Upton faces a level of critique, especially from some circles of Dback fans, that if other players were exposed to then only perennial MVP candidates would be up to snuff.

The guy is a very good player, and he should still be with our organization.

 

[Lefty]

He loves April

So do you think Towers got the better of that deal? Towers has been taken on almost every trade. There are people on this board who think the Trumbo trade was a win for Towers, which is far from the truth. That trade like most others has put this franchise back a few years. Towers has no plan and looking at the minor league players, they don't have a lot of talent. It is so frustrating and sad how one man has destroyed the Diamondbacks in such a short period of time.

 

[AZ Native]

So do you think Towers got the better of that deal? Towers has been taken on almost every trade. There are people on this board who think the Trumbo trade was a win for Towers, which is far from the truth. That trade like most others has put this franchise back a few years. Towers has no plan and looking at the minor league players, they don't have a lot of talent. It is so frustrating and sad how one man has destroyed the Diamondbacks in such a short period of time.

No, I don't. I do like Prado but he has not been consistent either. Again, I was just making a comment about how hot Upton was last April and now. I guess I see it that way because he is on my fantasy team and after the great start last year he cooled off the rest of the year. Maybe this year he won't, we shall see.

As far as Trumbo, I really like Skaggs and think we go hosed on that one.

 

[overseascardfan]

I remember reading about scout's concerns about Teheran's drop in velocity, was still hoping Towers would insist he be included in the deal. I thought ATL just refused to part with him. That stings.

 

[WildBB]

He loves April

Mr. April! Lol.

 

[WildBB]

In the J Upton trade, we apparently were given a choice between Julio Teheran and Randall Delgado...


Teheran has a 1.47 ERA in 43 IP this season and a 3.11 ERA in 254 IP through his career. Delgado..well....not so much (5.50 ERA)


http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2013/1/24/3910712/mlb-rumors-justin-upton-braves-offer-julio-teheran


http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/31091/julio-teheran


http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/31093/randall-delgado

Rumor is we (KT) were concerned about Teheran's arm that his delivery could be a problem with injuries in the future.

The trade offer, which was being considered by the Diamondbacks on Wednesday night, was believed to include either of the Braves young starting pitchers Julio Teheran (most likely) or Randall Delgado, plus at least two other lesser players or prospects.

Which means to me that with Teheran they were not offering Prado.

Prado was the key player in the trade for the D-Backs.

 

[Phrazbit]

The Braves were shopping Prado because they did not want to pay him, so I'm pretty sure its a given that he was in.

The two other "lesser prospects" with Delgado were included in the form of Nick Ahmed (has hit under .240 the last two years in the minors) and Brandon Drury (still in A ball).

 

[AZ Native]

I was very vocal about being upset about Justin's immaturity. I also said we got the worst end of the trade and Atlanta screwed us. I believe Justin's actions had a lot do with his diminishing trade value. I also called him Mr April because that was his modus operandi, as least as far as owning him in fantasy baseball. Well as of today:

Justin Upton homers, drives in five in 1,000th game
Braves outfielder Justin Upton went 2 for 4 with a walk, a home run and five RBI in his team's 11-3 win over the Pirates Tuesday.
Playing in his 1,000th career game, Upton blasted a three-run home run in the third inning to blow open the doors on a Braves rout. He added two more RBI with a bases-loaded single in the fifth to increase the lead to 10-1. Upton has hit .287/.363/.522 with 24 home runs, 80 RBI and seven stolen bases in 439 at-bats. Despite my issues with J Up, no doubt Atlanta got the better of us on that trade.

 

[Phrazbit]

I think people's problem with Upton stemmed from this feeling that he was a failure because he was not Ken Griffey Jr. He was billed as a super-duper-mega can't miss star, and when he was merely an All-Star people picked him apart.

I said it earlier in this thread and I still strongly feel that if his detractors held other players to the same standard they were holding Upton to then only MVP candidates would be up to snuff. That level of scrutiny might hold some merit if we were paying him like a superstar but we had him on a very friendly contract.

 

[BC867]

The D-backs front office screwed up in making Justin Upto(w)n the face of the franchise. But, once done, there was no turning back as long as he was on our roster.

Because of that, we didn't get equal value (for his being an average slugger) back.

'Fault of the franchise, but he had to go to correct it. And any trading partner knew it.

Call Upton a victim if you want. Although his refusing to hit the cutoff man to show off his arm didn't help his image.

 

[Phrazbit]

Thats rubbish. He was a two time all star at 25 years old at the time of the trade and was still widely considered one of the best young players in baseball.

There were several reasons Towers could not get equal value and they had very little to do with a debatable decision to put an "UP-Town" sign in right field. When you have a year-plus long public, smear campaign on one of your own players it significantly hurts their value, when you attempt to trade a player to one of only a few teams that player has a no-trade clause with... it really hurts your value, because now you've set well known price that everyone knows they dont need to exceed. And when you're Kevin Towers and you're constently hung up on getting specific attributes rather than overall talent (in the Upton trade they "needed" a 3rd baseman... with grit) and you play poker with all your cards face up... its really hard to extract value.

There was no "need to correct" anything. It was a problem that the front office created and NOT because of their hyping of Upton as a star player, rather the Dbacks higher ups seemingly doing all they could to damage their relationship with their best asset.

 

[FArting]

It was Upton's attitude that got him traded.

Reminds me of Amare. Just shut up and play. Let your play do the talking.

 

[sundevil04]

26 years old and batting .287 on pace for 31 HR and 102 RBI...good thing we got that back up minor league catcher back in exchange...oh and Randal delgado and his 6.00 ERA

#facepalm

And when the front office was asked what out points of focus will be this off season they answer "power corner outfielder"

 

[BC867]

It was Upton's attitude that got him traded.

Reminds me of Amare. Just shut up and play. Let your play do the talking.

Agreed. But it was also the D-backs fault for making a young player with attitude the face of the franchise.

Trading him gave Justin Upton a chance to start fresh and the D-backs a chance to put it behind them.

Unfortunately, with Kendricks' and Towers' loose lips, it put the D-backs in a bad trading position.

Unprofessional all around! And since then, Upton has been an average-at-best slugger for the Braves after the first month of each season. Just as Trumbo has been for the D-backs in filling his spot in the heart of the order.

 

[Phrazbit]

And since then, Upton has been an average-at-best slugger for the Braves after the first month of each season. Just as Trumbo has been for the D-backs in filling his spot in the heart of the order.

come on BC... trying to say their numbers are similar is laughable.

Also, Justin is batting over .300 with a over .1000 OPS since the all-star game. He really only had one bad month (June) this season, and his average that ONE terrible month is the kind of trash Trumbo has put up for the last few seasons.

 

[Homer Simpson]

Agreed. But it was also the D-backs fault for making a young player with attitude the face of the franchise.

Tradingc him gave Justin Upton a chance to start fresh and the D-backs a chance to put it behind them.

Unfortunately, with Kendricks' and Towers' loose lips, it put the D-backs in a bad trading position.

Unprofessional all around! And since then, Upton has been an average-at-best slugger for the Braves after the first month of each season. Just as Trumbo has been for the D-backs in filling his spot in the heart of the order.

Sorry, I have to call you out on this ridiculousness. Justin Upton currently ranks 17th in the NL in batting average, 15th in OBP, 4th in Slugging, 7th in OPS, and 3rd in both home runs and RBI. How in the heck is that average-at-best?

 

[DWKB]

Thats rubbish. He was a two time all star at 25 years old at the time of the trade and was still widely considered one of the best young players in baseball.

There were several reasons Towers could not get equal value and they had very little to do with a debatable decision to put an "UP-Town" sign in right field. When you have a year-plus long public, smear campaign on one of your own players it significantly hurts their value, when you attempt to trade a player to one of only a few teams that player has a no-trade clause with... it really hurts your value, because now you've set well known price that everyone knows they dont need to exceed. And when you're Kevin Towers and you're constently hung up on getting specific attributes rather than overall talent (in the Upton trade they "needed" a 3rd baseman... with grit) and you play poker with all your cards face up... its really hard to extract value.

There was no "need to correct" anything. It was a problem that the front office created and NOT because of their hyping of Upton as a star player, rather the Dbacks higher ups seemingly doing all they could to damage their relationship with their best asset.

The questions of "attitude" and suggestions of "just play the game" by many are rediculous and uninformed.


BC867 might be on to something with the UpTown thing and credit where credit is due for him regarding it. That doesn't excuse the FO and he's not trying to excuse them either.

http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/th...nbox_apr2013_ajcstub1#2c535e7e.3585979.735466

I’ve asked a half-dozen baseball men, and the most telling answer came from someone who once worked for the D-backs. “Management there wants it done a certain way. They want their guys to be Luis Gonzalez, who was very active in the community. They wanted Justin to be the face of the franchise — they had that ‘Uptown’ sign in the outfield — but that’s not Justin. He would say, ‘I just want to play the game.’ “

It’s hard to imagine anyone wouldn’t like the guy. He’s unceasingly pleasant. He’s low-key, which apparently the D-backs didn’t appreciate — they seemed bent on constructing a roster of firebrands in the mold of manager Kirk Gibson — but plays well in Fredi Gonzalez’s clubhouse. And there’s this: Since the Upton trade, Arizona is 20 games under .500; the Braves are 36 games above.

 

[Mulli]

20 games under .500 since the trade. All you need to say.