A team that might try hard to move into the top-15:

[Pariah]

...Philladelphia. Do they need a bone fide WR or what?

 

[Cardiac]

Yes they do but this draft is very deep in WR's. They also need to replace some CB's and Duce Staley and need some LB's. They could also use an interior OL man.

 

[pinnacle]

I read somewhere that the Eagles were near the bottom of the NFL in terms of run defense..I was trying to look it up on ESPN to confirm...but it was taking too long to download....

 

[Cardiac]

Originally posted by pinnacle
I read somewhere that the Eagles were near the bottom of the NFL in terms of run defense..I was trying to look it up on ESPN to confirm...but it was taking too long to download....

Yes they are weak against the run. They suffered a ton of injuries along the D-line so a DT may also be a need.

 

[JeffGollin]

According to a NYC daily today, their 2 corners (Taylor and Vincent) don't both expect to be back next year due to cap considerations.

The Eagles figure to be one of those teams with a few priorities (WR, CB, LB) - any one of which they might fill with their top pick depending on who drops to them.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
According to a NYC daily today, their 2 corners (Taylor and Vincent) don't both expect to be back next year due to cap considerations.

The Eagles figure to be one of those teams with a few priorities (WR, CB, LB) - any one of which they might fill with their top pick depending on who drops to them.

I think that the Eagles already have two high-pick corners just waiting to move into the starting lineup. I know one is Lito Sheppard, but I forget the other one's name.

The Eagles are always good about being able to choose the best available player (which is good, since they're always drafting at the bottom of the first round), and not having to draft for need. They have two decent RBs in Westbrook and Buckhalter to pick up the slack for Staley. I don't think that the WR problem is so much a personnel one as just obstinancy by Andy Reid. He thinks that he has the players to get it done and doesn't need a T.O.-type WR threat to win the Super Bowl.

I think that part of the problem is Donovan McNabb. Every season the Eagles say that they want to get more vertical, but the fact of the matter is that Donnie, while he may have a strong arm, doesn't throw the ball deep very well. If it's not down the center of the field, the ball is most likely going to be overthrown or hucked five yards deep out of bounds. I don't think that McNabb really puts his WRs in the position to succeed.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I don't think that McNabb really puts his WRs in the position to succeed.

I don't think McNabb is a very good QB. He's a great athlete, but as a QB he's probably middle of the pack at best.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Cardinal Bob
I don't think McNabb is a very good QB. He's a great athlete, but as a QB he's probably middle of the pack at best.

Absolutely. Overrated.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Cardinal Bob
I don't think McNabb is a very good QB. He's a great athlete, but as a QB he's probably middle of the pack at best.

I just think that he's a really unique talent. He's got a big arm, but doesn't have any control over his deep ball. He has nice touch on his passes, but isn't accurate in the short range. He has good size and speed, but doesn't seem to use it very well.

I just think that someone needs to design a scheme FOR HIM. This WCO that Reid runs doesn't seem to work well for McNabb. It just seems like the Eagles are never really firing on all cylinders. While that gets them deep into the post-season every season (or at least the last three), you can tell that they never really have any confidence or swagger, and seem to realize that they don't really belong there.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I just think that he's a really unique talent. He's got a big arm, but doesn't have any control over his deep ball. He has nice touch on his passes, but isn't accurate in the short range. He has good size and speed, but doesn't seem to use it very well.

I don't think he has touch or accuracy on short passes. He's consistently inconsistent. Screens thrown at your shoe laces is a joke for an NFL QB.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
I don't think he has touch or accuracy on short passes. He's consistently inconsistent. Screens thrown at your shoe laces is a joke for an NFL QB.

I think that they have nice "touch" in that they're not thrown too hard (see Patrick Ramsey), but you're right in that they're kind of all over the place.

I just don't think that McNabb really is ever going to live up to his $100 mil. contract. Every season I look forward to the Eagles being eliminated so that the McNabb talk will go away. Can you believe that this clown is starting in the Pro Bowl?

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't think McNabb is a very good QB. He's a great athlete, but as a QB he's probably middle of the pack at best...Absolutely. Overrated.
If we could get him, I'd grab him in a heartbeat.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
I don't think McNabb is a very good QB. He's a great athlete, but as a QB he's probably middle of the pack at best...Absolutely. Overrated.
If we could get him, I'd grab him in a heartbeat.

Care to elaborate on that a little bit? It seems to me that he gravy-trains a great defense to the playoffs, and then promptly melts down. He doesn't really seem to have a killer instinct, and makes bad decisions in crunch time.

He's a great athelete, and has the ability to make incredible plays on his own, but I think that he's shown that he doesn't really make his teammates better, and is more of a distraction to a team than an asset to it.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by kerouac9
, and makes bad decisions in crunch time.

Oh, I'd disagree on that one. To me, he seems more the other way around. Often not very good in the first half, and then at his best when the game is on the line in the last part of the fourth quarter. (ie., both Packers games this year, a couple of Giants games I can remember, etc). I think Dennis Green would snap him up in heartbeat.

BTW, Philly's defense was not GREAT this season. Especially against the run.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
Oh, I'd disagree on that one. To me, he seems more the other way around. Often not very good in the first half, and then at his best when the game is on the line in the last part of the fourth quarter. (ie., both Packers games this year, a couple of Giants games I can remember, etc). I think Dennis Green would snap him up in heartbeat.

BTW, Philly's defense was not GREAT this season. Especially against the run.

I know that Philly gave up a lot of yards (20th-ranked in the NFL), but they also don't give up a lot of points (7th ranked 17.9 PPG, and only a field goal removed from New England's top 14.9 ppg avg.). Philly was ranked 11th in the NFL with 23.4 ppg, 20th in passing yards per game on offense.

I don't have the time to look up the splits on Donnie this season, but it just doesn't seem like the team rallies around him, and Andy Reid kind of gets rid of the players that the team does rally around. Watching the Eagles, it seems like the offense would be happier handing the ball off to Duce Staley (13 carries, 79 yds, 6.1 ypc), but Reid just keeps giving the ball to Donnie, who never seems to be able to do anything with it.

 

[Savage58]

Philladelphia. Do they need a bone fide WR or what?

Hell yeah they do!
Philly needs to upgrade the WR position ASAP, that is the biggest reason people rag on McNabb, he's a stud QB, top 5 in the league easily, he creates time in the pocket regularly, scrambles buying even more time, breaking tackles routinely, but for what??? in the end... he's gotta pull it down and run with it, because his WR can't even get open when the QB has 6 or 7 seconds to throw it. They are wasting McNabbs potential by handcuffing him with these XFL talented WRs.

Pinkston got a huge contract for doing what exactly??? Thrash has proven he's not even mediocre anymore, Freddie Mitchell shows up for a few catches in the playoffs but he is very inconsistant. Hey Andy go sign T.O. it's obvious the Philly WR core is weak, even compared to the Cardinals, they need a guy who can beat man to man. T.O. is it, and look he should be a UFA.
I'd also recommend Philly keeps a keen eye on Rashaun Woods-WR out of Oklahoma State, he's got as much talen as the big 3, and might slide to the late first round.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

mcnabb is victimized by horrendous receivers. does he have pinpoint accuracy? no. but his wrs just SUCKED yesterday (and do on a regular occasion). they need a T.O., and guess what? a T.O. is available this offseason. i'll be shocked if they don't get involved that sweepstakes somehow. they need a proven vet stud, not a drafted stud.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
I don't think McNabb is a very good QB. He's a great athlete, but as a QB he's probably middle of the pack at best...Absolutely. Overrated.
If we could get him, I'd grab him in a heartbeat.

We used to have him, except his name was Jake Pummer and he was white.

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't think McNabb is a very good QB. He's a great athlete, but as a QB he's probably middle of the pack at best...Absolutely. Overrated.
If we could get him, I'd grab him in a heartbeat.
We used to have him, except his name was Jake Pummer and he was white.

Donovan McNabb is totally different from Jake Plummer in several respects.

1. Size - McNabb is bigger and taller.

2. Strength - McNabb is physically stronger.

3. Arm Strength - McNabb has a cannon. Jake's passes tend to die on him.

4. Straight Ahead Speed - McNabb is faster.

5. Different Supporting Casts - Plummer had David Boston, Frankie Sanders, Mar Tay Jenkins etc. McNabb had receivers who were less dominant or reliable in Pinkston, Mitchell etc.

6. On their best days, Plummer might best be described as somewhat small, compact, smart with quick reflexes. McNabb a big, physical, athletic QB who can make plays all by himself. (Two different breeds of cat).

The one thing they have in common is that they both apparently disappointed you.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by Cardinal Bob
We used to have him, except his name was Jake Pummer and he was white.

Oh yeah, people are always comparing the greatness of those two. That's why we always hear "Jake McNabb" and "Donovan Plummer". All those Pro Bowls, MVP trophies and playoff games just make them blend together.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
I don't think McNabb is a very good QB. He's a great athlete, but as a QB he's probably middle of the pack at best...Absolutely. Overrated.
If we could get him, I'd grab him in a heartbeat.
We used to have him, except his name was Jake Pummer and he was white.

Donovan McNabb is totally different from Jake Plummer in several respects.

1. Size - McNabb is bigger and taller.

2. Strength - McNabb is physically stronger.

3. Arm Strength - McNabb has a cannon. Jake's passes tend to die on him.

4. Straight Ahead Speed - McNabb is faster.

5. Different Supporting Casts - Plummer had David Boston, Frankie Sanders, Mar Tay Jenkins etc. McNabb had receivers who were less dominant or reliable in Pinkston, Mitchell etc.

6. On their best days, Plummer might best be described as somewhat small, compact, smart with quick reflexes. McNabb a big, physical, athletic QB who can make plays all by himself. (Two different breeds of cat).

The one thing they have in common is that they both apparently disappointed you.

Nope. I am a Plummer fan and was sorry to see him go (though I realized it was best...for him). My point is I see the same thing in McNabb that I see in Plummer. Makes awesome plays under pressure, but then hits his receivers in the feet or throws the ball 20 yards out of bounds when he has time to throw.

There are times when I watch the Eagles and McNabb looks incredible and it makes you think "There's no way this guy can lose". Then two weeks later, you see McNabb and he plays like he did yesterday and you think "My God, how did this guy ever get a $100 mllion contract and why on earth is he going to Pro Bowl after Pro Bowl"?

I, like Rush (who I think is an ignorant blowhard), think Donnie Mac is hugely over-rated. But I don't think his race has anything to do with that.

 

[100%CardsFan]

Originally posted by Pariah
...Philladelphia. Do they need a bone fide WR or what?

T.O. to the eagles next year????

 

[kerouac9]

Re: Re: A team that might try hard to move into the top-15:

Originally posted by 100%CardsFan
T.O. to the eagles next year????

Scuttlebutt is that T.O. is going to be a Falcon, what with the Jim Mora hiring and all. That Nike commercial could very well come to reality.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I know one is Lito Sheppard, but I forget the other one's name.

His name was Robert Paulson...err....his name is Sheldon Brown

(Fight Club reference).

Sheldon Brown, was a Gamecock (the REAL USC) so I'm quite familiar with him.

 

[vikesfan]

(1) The problem with the Eagles is a cheap owner who lets all their good players leave via free agency.
Degrading the team every year and not using the money to bring in better FAs.

(2) If they signed Trotter they probably beat the Bucs last year.
The winning play was made cause the new Eagle MLB was too slow.

(3) The Eagles were out played in just about every game this year. Their defense and offense are weak. And will probably be even weaker next year.

(4) McNab is the ONLY reason they won he willed that team to win. Look he has no starting RB and no WRs at all on the team. Even his TE is not that good. McNab is an excellent QB cause he took that team to an NFC final where it had no business being. McNab is a very good QB give him an RB and WRs and watch out!

(5) The Eagles look ready to fall out of the playoffs. That is one spot that should open up. The question is will Gibbs really be able to pull Washington around and replace the Eagles in the East and can Parcells keep it up in Dallas?