Adam Schefter Feels Cards May Not Pay Kolb's Bonus

[PDXChris]

He said this morning on Mike and Mike that if Manning is released as expected, then the Cardinals will not pay Kolb and cut him. He feels that they will be a major player for Manning and even if not healthy at the start of Free Agency, they will still cut Kolb. He said worst case, they don't get Manning, then you go into the season with Skelton as your starting and that is not all that bad considering they way he played vs. the way Kolb played. I could see that playing out that way.

 

[slanidrac16]

Whether you agree or disagree about the Kolb situation , I just don't see the Cardinals scrapping plans considering there was no off season to work with him in what appears to be a somewhat complex offense.

If we gamble an lose out on the Peyton Manning derby then we are seriously thin at the QB position.

It's going to be one bold ass move if the Cardinals acquire Manning. If he is healthy it's a no brainer. It will most certainly put us in the NFL limelight and you can bet there would be one or two premium games on Sunday, Monday and/or Thursday night for the Cards.

 

[BigRedRage]

unless manning is healthy and wants to sign, kolb will be a Cardinal this year. Bet on it.

Also, if camp is kolb vs skelton - skelton will out perform but kolb will get the job.

 

[JeffGollin]

Two ways to interpret this -

1. Schefter is wise in the ways of the NFL and may be onto something (Or not).

2. Schefter - who has a wide network of contacts - "knows something."

From the viewpoint of a fan sitting in front of his laptop waiting for the Super Bowl to be over: There's not enough solid info to go by, but it does make logical sense.

Another related thought - perhaps the lack of speed regarding our hiring a QB coach has something to do with who our starting QB will be.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Look long term. Skeletons got one year left on his deal. If coaches like him, and don't believe he'll resign to play Kolbs backup, then the logical step is cut Kolb and resign John.

 

[Duckjake]

Whether you agree or disagree about the Kolb situation , I just don't see the Cardinals scrapping plans considering there was no off season to work with him in what appears to be a somewhat complex offense.

If we gamble an lose out on the Peyton Manning derby then we are seriously thin at the QB position.

It's going to be one bold ass move if the Cardinals acquire Manning. If he is healthy it's a no brainer. It will most certainly put us in the NFL limelight and you can bet there would be one or two premium games on Sunday, Monday and/or Thursday night for the Cards.

Did missing 4 days of training camp really make that much difference? I guess it would. I wonder how much earlier the Kolb trade would have gone down than July 29th had it not been for the lockout?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Look long term. Skeletons got one year left on his deal. If coaches like him, and don't believe he'll resign to play Kolbs backup, then the logical step is cut Kolb and resign John.

Skelton would be RFA after next season, I believe.

 

[jaguarpaw81]

unless manning is healthy and wants to sign, kolb will be a Cardinal this year. Bet on it.

Also, if camp is kolb vs skelton - skelton will out perform but kolb will get the job.

I just don't get how you guys come up with this. Kola was better at every single facet of the game this year even though he played hurt virtually the entire season and, unlike Skelton, had no time to learn the system.

 

[jaguarpaw81]

Did missing 4 days of training camp really make that much difference? I guess it would. I wonder how much earlier the Kolb trade would have gone down than July 29th had it not been for the lockout?

What are you talking about??? You do realize that almost the entire offseason was missed right?????

 

[Gee!]

Did missing 4 days of training camp really make that much difference? I guess it would. I wonder how much earlier the Kolb trade would have gone down than July 29th had it not been for the lockout?

Its not just 4 days of TC.. There were the OTA's the offseason camps that installed the offense as well.. Not just 4 days of TC..

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Skelton would be RFA after next season, I believe.

I am not sure if I am just not reading this right.


Regardless - Skelton has two years left on his contact going into next season, and then will be a RFA.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I just don't get how you guys come up with this. Kola was better at every single facet of the game this year even though he played hurt virtually the entire season and, unlike Skelton, had no time to learn the system.

Except winning.

 

[ARZCardinals]

I think Kolb's concussions are a HUGE deal inside the office. Kolbs last concussion he struggled a long time....and you can be the DR's said....this isn't good for long term.

Kolb is better IMO than Skelton -

Looks like they are willing to bet the farm on Manning....and I'm with em'. If we get Peyton...I'm gonna dance dance dance and drink till I pass out.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Whether you agree or disagree about the Kolb situation , I just don't see the Cardinals scrapping plans considering there was no off season to work with him in what appears to be a somewhat complex offense.

If we gamble an lose out on the Peyton Manning derby then we are seriously thin at the QB position.

It's going to be one bold ass move if the Cardinals acquire Manning. If he is healthy it's a no brainer. It will most certainly put us in the NFL limelight and you can bet there would be one or two premium games on Sunday, Monday and/or Thursday night for the Cards.

Based on what I saw from Kolb last season ? I wouldn't be too worried if the Cardinals released Kolb, and Manning didn't sign with the Cardinals.

They could sign Byron Leftwich who could be a 2/3 year bandaid to the situation and would cost a heck of a lot less than "Crazy Legs" Kolb.

 

[BigRedRage]

I just don't get how you guys come up with this. Kola was better at every single facet of the game this year even though he played hurt virtually the entire season and, unlike Skelton, had no time to learn the system.

I watched every snap and 100% disagree with you.

He was playing hurt the entire season? I saw him play injured once and sit the rest.

Watch the games.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I watched every snap and 100% disagree with you.

He was playing hurt the entire season? I saw him play injured once and sit the rest.

Watch the games.

No kidding, always hurt and he was awful when healthy. I really wouldn't care if we got rid of him.

 

[Goodyear Card]

There has been nothing from the Cardinal organization about releasing Kolb and Everything from the Cardinals has supported him being the #1 QB. Everything else is pure speculation.

I don't think anyone knows if Manning will QB this year, not Manning or the Doctors. i would rather spend our money on OL to improve the team.

 

[Cards_Campos]

LOL....Does this site ever learn???? I think it has been like 98% that when a major NFL guru states something about us....it has come true. I laugh after a guy who has 1,000,000 more sources and knowledge of the Cardinals inner workings, we have guys on our forum that will literally state the opposite 2 minutes later.

If Schefter is saying that the Cardinals will cut ties with Kolb....Obviously he has heard some major information. Did anyone learn anything from the Leinart situation. We still had people saying he was a guaranteed starter after an NFL reporter said we were going to cut him.

Now yes...there is a possibility they won't cut Kolb, but odds are we will. These guys get paid alot of money to talk to people and get information from people inside the team.

It looks over 50/50 that we are going hard after Manning. But it looks even more obvious that we are going to cut Kolb. With all of our talk going after Manning....Why would Kolb want to stay?

 

[Duckjake]

What are you talking about??? You do realize that almost the entire offseason was missed right?????

Wrong, for almost the entire off season to be missed Kolb would have had to miss almost all of Camp and all the Pre Season games. You guys act like Kolb arrived from Philadelphia just in time for kickoff of the Panthers game.

A couple of things I don't understand:

If the OTAs are so important why did the players and teams agree to have them reduced in he new CBA?

If Kolb needed more time to learn the offense why wasn't he playing more in the Pre Season games?

 

[MadCardDisease]

The minute that Schefter took a job working at ESPN, he lost a lot of credibility IMO.

 

[Chopper0080]

I think as an organization you have to consider moving on from Kolb if you think the bonus money saved could be used to make the team better. I don't believe that we could as I don't believe that we are that cap strapped.

In relation to the Kolb vs. Skelton arguement, I don't think that anything definitive can be said about either of them other than Kolb struggled to stay healthy, and Skelton lacked consistency.

 

[thephoenixson28]

Shefter thinks the cardinals are the best suitors for Peyton. If Manning isn't healthy we have skelton, and by the looks of it, he might get the starting job anyways. What's there to lose. Its not like we are giving up a pick

 

[kerouac9]

Based on what I saw from Kolb last season ? I wouldn't be too worried if the Cardinals released Kolb, and Manning didn't sign with the Cardinals.

They could sign Byron Leftwich who could be a 2/3 year bandaid to the situation and would cost a heck of a lot less than "Crazy Legs" Kolb.

Good God, no. Leftwich had a hard enough time staying upright with that LOOOOOOOONNNNGGGG delivery in an offense with a good OL.

Now, a healthy David Garrard...?

 

[JeffGollin]

I think a lot of this will boil down to timing/sequencing.

If Manning is considered by the Cards to be a real possibility, then the smart move would be to table Kolb & Skelton until the Manning situation is resolved.

If we don't sign Manning, it then comes down to Kolb's cap hit vs. both Kolb's and Skelton's perceived talent (both comparatively and in the absolute). If there's a deadline to decide on paying Kolb and taking a cap hit, then that's the next bridge to be crossed.

If we do sign Manning, same deadline applies, but most likely, we don't sign Kolb.

Meanwhile, Skelton (despite the fact that he could emerge as starter) has to sit and wait.

But if, for some reason, the Cards decide that the cap hit by signing or not signing Kolb is moot, I could see them taking the luxury of taking their time to see which of Kolb or Skelton looks best as we move thru mini-camps, OTA's and training camp (i.e why rush a decision when you don't have to.

Bottom line - time sequence figures to matter here.

 

[thephoenixson28]

Cardinals are the best fit.

Manning isn't looking for a big Market team or else he would've left Indy years ago. I'm pretty sure he wants to have a great relationship with the coach. What better relationship when you golfing with one of them(Whiz). Nice weather and stadium.√ Top 1-3 Wr in the Game√. Everyone saying its about the money, but wasn't Manning going to take a paycut to try and retain other players so that leaves out Tue money part. Now its down to health. Peyton knows his body better than anyone else does,and if.he thinks he can play, I believe him.

So that being said. Plz let Peyton Manning come to the cardinals.