Adrian Peterson at OU vs Todd Gurley at Georgia

[Cheesebeef]

Not only that. I wish people would not line up stats and make that their argument. AP has proven himself not only as a starter in the NFL but as a HOF starter. Gurley for all he is is just as easily Trent Richardson or an even scarier parallel, Marcus Lattimore.

Not to mention we wouldnt give up a 1st rounder for AP. We certainly would with Gurley. And you all saw the difference in Honey Badger last year to this year right? YOu draft Gurley dont count on him being a stud until 2016, NOT 2015.

Proven > Projection ALL DAY

(pun intended)

agreed... if this team had Andrew Luck on it instead of Carson Palmer, I'd be happy to take Gurley, but we don't. Truth is, we have a pretty small window right now and have a shot at the Super Bowl with a legit HOF RB with a chip on his shoulder. It's probably only a two year window, but that's good enough for me. Iron's hot right now, but can cool in a year or two. Might as well try to put that sucker on fire before we have to rebuild with another QB.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

agreed... if this team had Andrew Luck on it instead of Carson Palmer, I'd be happy to take Gurley, but we don't. Truth is, we have a pretty small window right now and have a shot at the Super Bowl with a legit HOF RB with a chip on his shoulder. It's probably only a two year window, but that's good enough for me. Iron's hot right now, but can cool in a year or two. Might as well try to put that sucker on fire before we have to rebuild with another QB.

I agree. Right now AP is the better fit to win now but to discount Gurley is short-sighted.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

AP is and will be in the MVP of the league talk ...can you honestly say the rookie will...HELL NO! **** he won't even play the entire season.

Those of you wanting/talking Girley don't understand ACL's or didn't do 5 cents worth of homework on when his injury took place....so LET ME EDUCATE YOU

His ACL injury was in NOVEMBER
It takes 1 full year to get back to a similar form...not 100%
He will miss all of OTA's and all of training camp

When is the last time ANY rookie missed training camp and provided ANY team with ANY worthwhile stats....the answer NEVER!

AT BEST the rook will be ready to run at full strength is JANUARY!

add to it...Girley averaged 7.4 yards per carry - HIS BACKUP averaged 7.1 yards per carry

MEANING - it was the O line...not the RB.

Chubb ran for 1547 yards and 7.1 per carry...so either both are amazing RB's or the O line is dominant.

I think of Wisconsin RB's the same. The entire O line is drafted into the NFL...any decent RB can run behind those monsters...because they aren't touched until LB's or the S.

Lastly - when is the last rookie who missed all of camp, was drafted in the 1st round and given a bunch of money suddenly motivated to get back to the field.....it doesn't happen.

I wouldn't draft Girley in the 1st or 2nd round...MAYBE....MAYBE the 3rd. IMO I'd take him in the 5th. That way his money is LOW, my risk is LOW. I'm not trusting a rook who's given good money to work his a off to get back....and how do I know he's not going to be running scared as most are.

I'd go ballistic is my team took Girley in the 1st or 2nd...it's simply dumb

AP's way worse ACL/MCL injury occurred that last game of 2011 (late December/early January). He came back the next year and almost broke the all time single season rushing record. So let's get this straight: according to you no running back can come back from an ACL injury for at least a year, but the guy you really want (AP) came back in 8-9 months with a worse injury than Todd Gurley.

 

[GatorAZ]

AP's way worse ACL/MCL injury occurred that last game of 2011 (late December/early January). He came back the next year and almost broke the all time single season rushing record. So let's get this straight: according to you no running back can come back from an ACL injury for at least a year, but the guy you really want (AP) came back in 8-9 months with a worse injury than Todd Gurley.

Clearly the dude just hates Gurley just by spelling his name wrong 15 times. If someone has seen him run at all during his college career and thinks he's a product of their OL then I don't know what they're watching.

Also Nick Chubb is a freak of nature. As a senior in HS...

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[juza76]

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[juza76]

chubb is amazing,he breaks tackle like lynch and has great speed-acceleration

 

[Stout]

I agree. Right now AP is the better fit to win now but to discount Gurley is short-sighted.

I think spending a 1st-round pick on Gurley is short-sighted. IMO, a player needs to be truly special and ready to play to even think about spending a 1st-round pick on a RB. Gurley isn't considered one of the best prospects in a long time, nor is he healthy. Add that we're in win-now mode, and taking him in the 1st would be foolish, IMO.

 

[D-Dogg]

Both Gurley and Gordon will be there when we pick, and I hope we don't pick either. Grab a back in the third round.

 

[ARZCardinals]

AP's way worse ACL/MCL injury occurred that last game of 2011 (late December/early January). He came back the next year and almost broke the all time single season rushing record. So let's get this straight: according to you no running back can come back from an ACL injury for at least a year, but the guy you really want (AP) came back in 8-9 months with a worse injury than Todd Gurley.

AP is one in a million ...yea his injury was worse, BUT he came back from it. How many other RB's do....yea 1 in a million. Add to it HE IS ALL THE WAY HEALTHY!

AP has proven he can be the MVP in the NFL.

Ask anyone who knows salt about the NFL and they'll say, "Murrey got the rushing record this year, but only because AP wasn't playing."

AP has had NOTHING for QB's and defenses have focused 100% on him and still can't stop him.

Cards will be in the Super Bowl next year with AP.

I guess we have to agree to disagree

 

[dreamcastrocks]

AP is one in a million ...yea his injury was worse, BUT he came back from it. How many other RB's do....yea 1 in a million. Add to it HE IS ALL THE WAY HEALTHY!

AP has proven he can be the MVP in the NFL.

Ask anyone who knows salt about the NFL and they'll say, "Murrey got the rushing record this year, but only because AP wasn't playing."

AP has had NOTHING for QB's and defenses have focused 100% on him and still can't stop him.

Cards will be in the Super Bowl next year with AP.

I guess we have to agree to disagree

Plenty come back from the injury and played well, see McGahee, Jamal Charles etc. The 1 in a million as you say is the recovery time. AP and the time it took for him to recover made him a freak of nature. The downtime on ACL was shattered by AP.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think spending a 1st-round pick on Gurley is short-sighted. IMO, a player needs to be truly special and ready to play to even think about spending a 1st-round pick on a RB. Gurley isn't considered one of the best prospects in a long time, nor is he healthy. Add that we're in win-now mode, and taking him in the 1st would be foolish, IMO.

Actually, before he hurt his knee, he was generally considered the best RB prospect since AP and a likely top 10 pick.

I get the knee concerns but his knee issue is one ligament and not considered serious. The comparison to Marcus Lattimore by the other poster is utter foolishness.

Where I think it's shortsighted is passing on a top talent that could be the best RB around for about 7-8 years to draft a lesser player at a position of need to win now when that player is more likely to bust out than the higher rated, more talented player.

BTW, if I had to choose, I'm all for acquiring AP over drafting Gurley. The thing is, they're not mutually exclusive. If I could AP for a 4-5th, I'd still entertain Gurley at 24.

 

[BigRedRage]

AP is and will be in the MVP of the league talk ...can you honestly say the rookie will...HELL NO! **** he won't even play the entire season.

Those of you wanting/talking Girley don't understand ACL's or didn't do 5 cents worth of homework on when his injury took place....so LET ME EDUCATE YOU

His ACL injury was in NOVEMBER
It takes 1 full year to get back to a similar form...not 100%
He will miss all of OTA's and all of training camp

When is the last time ANY rookie missed training camp and provided ANY team with ANY worthwhile stats....the answer NEVER!

AT BEST the rook will be ready to run at full strength is JANUARY!

add to it...Girley averaged 7.4 yards per carry - HIS BACKUP averaged 7.1 yards per carry

MEANING - it was the O line...not the RB.

Chubb ran for 1547 yards and 7.1 per carry...so either both are amazing RB's or the O line is dominant.

I think of Wisconsin RB's the same. The entire O line is drafted into the NFL...any decent RB can run behind those monsters...because they aren't touched until LB's or the S.

Lastly - when is the last rookie who missed all of camp, was drafted in the 1st round and given a bunch of money suddenly motivated to get back to the field.....it doesn't happen.

I wouldn't draft Girley in the 1st or 2nd round...MAYBE....MAYBE the 3rd. IMO I'd take him in the 5th. That way his money is LOW, my risk is LOW. I'm not trusting a rook who's given good money to work his a off to get back....and how do I know he's not going to be running scared as most are.

I'd go ballistic is my team took Girley in the 1st or 2nd...it's simply dumb

Did you think anyone would read a long post like that when it's full of condescending nonsense?

 

[Stout]

Actually, before he hurt his knee, he was generally considered the best RB prospect since AP and a likely top 10 pick.

I get the knee concerns but his knee issue is one ligament and not considered serious. The comparison to Marcus Lattimore by the other poster is utter foolishness.

Where I think it's shortsighted is passing on a top talent that could be the best RB around for about 7-8 years to draft a lesser player at a position of need to win now when that player is more likely to bust out than the higher rated, more talented player.

BTW, if I had to choose, I'm all for acquiring AP over drafting Gurley. The thing is, they're not mutually exclusive. If I could AP for a 4-5th, I'd still entertain Gurley at 24.

We're in win-now mode. Were we rebuilding, I'd be willing to take the risk. We simply can't afford a 1st round pick that probably won't contribute this season.

 

[Darkside]

I don't get it. Many are sour on a 20 year old running back coming out of college because he tore his ACL yet are willing to go with a 30 year old running back who tore his MCL and ACL and has a hell of a lot more mileage on him.

Let me get this straight:

Gurley 510 carries; 3285 yds college
0 carries; 0 yds NFL
20 years old
1 torn ACL

Peterson 748 carries; 4041 yds college
2054 carries; 10190 yds NFL
30 years old
1 torn MCL and ACL

Maybe I'm just naïve but if I am going to try and get the best bang for my dollar I would tend to lean toward the 20 year old and hope to get 5-6 years of good production versus a 30 year old who may only give me another year or two of good production. Does it really matter when the injuries occurred? All that matters is it was repaired correctly and has healed as intended.

Agree with this up to a point. The only sticking point with me is that AP has proven it over the years as a pro in the NFL, against men... Beastly men... And Gurley hasn't.

 

[Darkside]

AP is one in a million ...yea his injury was worse, BUT he came back from it. How many other RB's do....yea 1 in a million. Add to it HE IS ALL THE WAY HEALTHY!

AP has proven he can be the MVP in the NFL.

Ask anyone who knows salt about the NFL and they'll say, "Murrey got the rushing record this year, but only because AP wasn't playing."

AP has had NOTHING for QB's and defenses have focused 100% on him and still can't stop him.

Cards will be in the Super Bowl next year with AP.

I guess we have to agree to disagree

Yep, AP had stacked boxes loaded against him and ran through them. He had Christian freaking Ponder as a QB and every defense keying on him and still dominated.

There's no comparison whatsoever to a good college player and a potential HOF running back who has proved it at the professional level against defenses keying on him every game. There's just no comparison at all.

 

[cardpa]

Agree with this up to a point. The only sticking point with me is that AP has proven it over the years as a pro in the NFL, against men... Beastly men... And Gurley hasn't.

I completely understand your point and in fact agree with it. The point I was trying to make is there are some posters who are all in on AP and would not touch Gurley with a 10 foot pole as the saying goes because of an injury.

You could draft Gurley and he turns out to be a total flop and never comes close to what he did in college or you can acquire AP and in two years he is finished. I guess the question you have to ask yourself is who am I willing to take a chance with? For me I lean toward Gurley who for one is going to cost me less money (we all know AP isn't going to come cheap) and two has a better chance of being a long term contributor over AP. If Gurley flops it would not be the first time a first round pick by the Cardinals (Levi Brown and Wendell Bryant and Bryant Johnson) failed nor would it be for any other team in the NFL.

 

[cardsfanmd]

AP is and will be in the MVP of the league talk ...can you honestly say the rookie will...HELL NO! **** he won't even play the entire season.

Those of you wanting/talking Girley don't understand ACL's or didn't do 5 cents worth of homework on when his injury took place....so LET ME EDUCATE YOU

His ACL injury was in NOVEMBER
It takes 1 full year to get back to a similar form...not 100%
He will miss all of OTA's and all of training camp

When is the last time ANY rookie missed training camp and provided ANY team with ANY worthwhile stats....the answer NEVER!

AT BEST the rook will be ready to run at full strength is JANUARY!

add to it...Girley averaged 7.4 yards per carry - HIS BACKUP averaged 7.1 yards per carry

MEANING - it was the O line...not the RB.

Chubb ran for 1547 yards and 7.1 per carry...so either both are amazing RB's or the O line is dominant.

I think of Wisconsin RB's the same. The entire O line is drafted into the NFL...any decent RB can run behind those monsters...because they aren't touched until LB's or the S.

Lastly - when is the last rookie who missed all of camp, was drafted in the 1st round and given a bunch of money suddenly motivated to get back to the field.....it doesn't happen.

I wouldn't draft Girley in the 1st or 2nd round...MAYBE....MAYBE the 3rd. IMO I'd take him in the 5th. That way his money is LOW, my risk is LOW. I'm not trusting a rook who's given good money to work his a off to get back....and how do I know he's not going to be running scared as most are.

I'd go ballistic is my team took Girley in the 1st or 2nd...it's simply dumb

All of the above are why your profession is not football related. The end.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

I'm not suggesting that the analysts at NFL Network are always correct, but guys like Jeremiah, Brooks, Baldinger all see Gurley as a generational talent just like they viewed AP back in 2007. Bucky Brooks went so far to say that Gurley has the ability to be an all time great.

 

[PDXChris]

Plenty come back from the injury and played well, see McGahee, Jamal Charles etc. The 1 in a million as you say is the recovery time. AP and the time it took for him to recover made him a freak of nature. The downtime on ACL was shattered by AP.

I am pretty sure McGahee only had skin keeping his lower leg attached to his body and still rushed for 8,500 yard in his career, with 1,200 of those coming in his 9th season.

 

[BirdMan21]

I know this is a Gurley vs AP discussion.....but if we are gonna play that we don't get AP and draft a back. Give me this guy in the 2nd or trade up into the early part of the third and get a couple defensive players to start the draft.

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https://youtu.be/pjRwXHZ6LtQ

www.nfl.com/videos/mayocks-slant/0a...NI-running-back-David-Johnson-looks-promising

Love his hands and size....you gotta think that Arians would love that too...reminds me of Arian Foster

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think the Cards need to resolve(acquire) AP prior to the draft. It will be much easier to pass on Gurley, assuming he's there, at 24 with AP in the fold. Conversely, it will be hard to pass on him if AP is no longer in the plans.

An ideal situation would be to trade a 4th for AP then trade back a few slots at 24, and re-acquire a 4th, and take a guy like Eli Harold or the CB from Connecticut late round 1 or early round 2.

 

[juza76]

I think the Cards need to resolve(acquire) AP prior to the draft. It will be much easier to pass on Gurley, assuming he's there, at 24 with AP in the fold. Conversely, it will be hard to pass on him if AP is no longer in the plans.

An ideal situation would be to trade a 4th for AP then trade back a few slots at 24, and re-acquire a 4th, and take a guy like Eli Harold or the CB from Connecticut late round 1 or early round 2.

agree
would be nice trade option and then select harold or byron jones
we just not talking about 2 great athletes but 2 guys who want to succed and work hard,BASK always has a priority about good locker room guy and player who has a passion for football...something i feel jonathan cooper lack
in this case i would like to add in later round Senquez Golson.he could have already sign a very good contract in baseball but his love for football changed everything
and he was impressive too in terms of production at missisippi