After Noel and Mclemore, This Is The Player That I want the Suns to Pick

[asuhoopsnut]

CJ McCollum from Lehigh ..... I think he is about to blow up Big Time. In the 12 games that he played in 2012/13 before his injury, he shot almost 52% from 3 Pt. land. I like the way he moves on the court and shoots off the dribble. I think his best basketball is ahead of him. Here is a video highlight film with both his stregths and weaknesses. I rather take a chance on him versus Oladipo, Zeller, Otto Porter, Trey Burke, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=C1IgVnleed4

 

[slinslin]

better not in the top 5 that guy is a worse version of Damian Lillard kind of without the point guard ability.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

better not in the top 5 that guy is a worse version of Damian Lillard kind of without the point guard ability.

Yeah C.J. would take more of a scoring role. Though I think he can handle that because I think he is a better scorer than Lillard. I am a fan of McCollum and I was pimping Lillard as ROY since summer league so I will wait to see CJ in SL before I fully jump on the bandwagon.

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[CardsSunsDbacks]

better not in the top 5 that guy is a worse version of Damian Lillard kind of without the point guard ability.

Yeah C.J. would take more of a scoring role. Though I think he can handle that because I think he is a better scorer than Lillard. I am a fan of McCollum and I was pimping Lillard as ROY since summer league so I will wait to see CJ in SL before I fully jump on the bandwagon. Assumming he is ready to play by then..

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[CardsSunsDbacks]

As far as Burke vs McCollum it depends on what you are looking for. If you want a point guard who can facilitate than you go with Burke, but if you want a guard that can give you 20 ppg while maybe playing a little point than you should look at CJ.

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[Mainstreet]

As far as Burke vs McCollum it depends on what you are looking for. If you want a point guard who can facilitate than you go with Burke, but if you want a guard that can give you 20 ppg while maybe playing a little point than you should look at CJ.

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I think this is a good summation. McCollum is more of a SG than a PG. His decision making is not always the best which sometimes gets him into trouble. I really like the way he moves on the court though and his scoring ability. The Suns do need a SG that can create.

The problem with Burke is his lack of height and the Suns appear set at PG. If Burke were 6'3" he would be a no brainer whether at PG or SG. I really like him a lot because he has the complete package.

 

[SirStefan32]

McCollum is awful on defense. I'll take my chances with Oladipo or even Porter (if they can get rid of some of the SFs on the roster.)

 

[Sleepy]

I personally hope that they draft Victor Oladipo if Noel and Mclemore are off the board when it comes to the Suns pick.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Bennett, Porter or one the international players. I know I'm alone on Bennett but I'm just so unimpressed by most of the rest of this group that I'd rather take a gamble on the guy with the most up-side (IMO). And yes, I know about his injury. In fact, I like him as an option even more now as it explains his weak play from February on. Prior to that, the guy was pretty dominant.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

Bennett, Porter or one the international players. I know I'm alone on Bennett but I'm just so unimpressed by most of the rest of this group that I'd rather take a gamble on the guy with the most up-side (IMO). And yes, I know about his injury. In fact, I like him as an option even more now as it explains his weak play from February on. Prior to that, the guy was pretty dominant.

Steve

I could take a liking to Bennett if he can play the SF position.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I could take a liking to Bennett if he can play the SF position.

I think he can but it's a shaky opinion. There are question marks about how his game will translate to the next level whether it's at the 3 or the 4. I think his best chance at stardom is at the 4 but he's going to have to learn to play through the contact. He's built to withstand the punishment but he tends to avoid it. But, when he was healthy, there was no more dominant player this past season.

Steve

 

[hcsilla]

As far as Burke vs McCollum it depends on what you are looking for. If you want a point guard who can facilitate than you go with Burke, but if you want a guard that can give you 20 ppg ...

...then you go with Burke as well.

 

[JS22]

I wouldn't hate the pick. The Suns desperately need a scorer. And he can definitely do that.

 

[slinslin]

We are likely to pick top 5, McCollum shouldn't be an option there. He is a 6'2/6'3 shooting guard with good scoring abilities but bad defense and no point guard skills.

Even with a lack of shooting guards in the NBA that could exploit him in the post I can't see him being a starter in the NBA.

Could be an excellent combo guard of the bench but that is not what you look for with such a high pick..

 

[SirStefan32]

We are likely to pick top 5, McCollum shouldn't be an option there. He is a 6'2/6'3 shooting guard with good scoring abilities but bad defense and no point guard skills.

Even with a lack of shooting guards in the NBA that could exploit him in the post I can't see him being a starter in the NBA.

Could be an excellent combo guard of the bench but that is not what you look for with such a high pick..

In all fairness, there will be no star by the time the Suns pick. McCollum is not really a top 5 pick, but it's not like there is a bunch of great options. Your choices are a more athletic Dudley (Porter), a more athletic PJ Tucker (Oladipo), white Markieff Morris/ Channing Frye (Zeller), poor man's Gortat (Len), good scorer who can't stay healthy nor play defense (Bennett), potential Michael Beasley (Bazz), and who knows who else. I'd go with Oladipo or Porter, but neither one of them is exactly a traditional top 5 pick.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

...then you go with Burke as well.

Difference is that CJ has the size to play 2 guard and Burke doesn't. They can both be good scorers, but my point was that if you want a guy that can play more of a shooting guard role that would be CJ. If you want a scoring PG than you take Burke.

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[AzStevenCal]

In all fairness, there will be no star by the time the Suns pick. McCollum is not really a top 5 pick, but it's not like there is a bunch of great options. Your choices are a more athletic Dudley (Porter), a more athletic PJ Tucker (Oladipo), white Markieff Morris/ Channing Frye (Zeller), poor man's Gortat (Len), good scorer who can't stay healthy nor play defense (Bennett), potential Michael Beasley (Bazz), and who knows who else. I'd go with Oladipo or Porter, but neither one of them is exactly a traditional top 5 pick.

I'd rather swing for the fences with Bennett or one of the international players but I would be fine with Porter. If we had a superstar, he'd actually be my first target from this draft. He may be the safest bet to have a near all-star level career out of this group. I think he's much closer to a Tayshaun Prince meets Boris Diaw clone than he is another Dudley.

Steve

 

[SirStefan32]

I'd rather swing for the fences with Bennett or one of the international players but I would be fine with Porter. If we had a superstar, he'd actually be my first target from this draft. He may be the safest bet to have a near all-star level career out of this group. I think he's much closer to a Tayshaun Prince meets Boris Diaw clone than he is another Dudley.

Steve

I agree that if we had a superstar, Porter would be a perfect pick. If we could trade some of the SFs we have on our roster, he'd probably be my pick, but I don't know where he will get playing time.

I don't think he is like Diaw in that he doesn't have the low-post game or play-making ability. To be fair, he doesn't seem to lack motivation, and doesn't have a love affair with croissants either.

Prince is probably a pretty good comparison- he is an athletic version of Dudley. I wouldn't be disappointed if we end up with Porter as long as we can dump a couple of SFs we have. We can always grab a shooting guard next year.

I am 99% sure that Cavs are going to take him. They have a couple of scorers at 1 and 2, so Porter makes perfect sense for them.

I really like Karasev and Schroeder if Babby can find a way to trade up with their second first-rounder. I know to most people this won't mean anything, but he is going to be a better shooter/ scorer than his father was, which is damn impressive. He has the basketball IQ of Bodiroga and Sabonis, and his jumper is just perfect.

 

[slinslin]

Schroeder will be a mid first round pick, possibly late lotto.

I'd love to draft him, he can be very good - better than Dragic. He is a bit like Conley.

I would consider trading Marshall for a pick in that 14-18 range if Schroeder was on the board, maybe target Utah.

 

[hcsilla]

In all fairness, there will be no star by the time the Suns pick. McCollum is not really a top 5 pick, but it's not like there is a bunch of great options. Your choices are a more athletic Dudley (Porter), a more athletic PJ Tucker (Oladipo), white Markieff Morris/ Channing Frye (Zeller), poor man's Gortat (Len), good scorer who can't stay healthy nor play defense (Bennett), potential Michael Beasley (Bazz), and who knows who else. I'd go with Oladipo or Porter, but neither one of them is exactly a traditional top 5 pick.

Oladipo is much more explosive than Tucker.

Zeller is like Anderson Varejao, he doesn't really have anything common with Morris or Frye.

I believe that Len has already shown more agressiveness at post-up plays than Gortat (this season).

But all in all I agree, that this draft is a bunch of excellent/servicable complementary players with the possible exceptions of Burke who might easliy become a star and Noel who has a chance of becoming something special.

 

[hcsilla]

I also like Dennis Schröder.

Mike Conley is not a bad comparison at, neither is Rondo or Darren Collison.

Karasev as a 2nd rounder also makes sense, but I guess he is rather a late 1st rounder, I see him as the 2nd coming of Mike Dunleavy (late years) at least.

 

[Joe Mama]

Schroeder will be a mid first round pick, possibly late lotto.

I'd love to draft him, he can be very good - better than Dragic. He is a bit like Conley.

I would consider trading Marshall for a pick in that 14-18 range if Schroeder was on the board, maybe target Utah.

wasn't planning on participating in this conversation, but are you kidding me? Who the hell is going to give us a mid first-round pick for Marshall? We'd probably have to give up something just to get rid of him right now.

 

[slinslin]

wasn't planning on participating in this conversation, but are you kidding me? Who the hell is going to give us a mid first-round pick for Marshall? We'd probably have to give up something just to get rid of him right now.

Well then you must clearly have written Marshall off as a lost cause, I haven't and I think Marshall can still be a pretty good NBA player in fact if only he steadily improves his shooting he will be a capable starter. His passing skills are clearly as good as any.

Marshall averaged 12.3 assists on only 2.3 turnovers in the 3 games he started. Even if that is just 3 games that is still absolutely outstanding even more so considering that the Suns were one of the worst jumpshooting teams in the league.

His shooting stinks, his defense sucks but I'd wager if he was thrown into a starting role right now he would lead the league in assists, or say top 3 at least.

 

[elindholm]

His shooting stinks, his defense sucks but I'd wager if he was thrown into a starting role right now he would lead the league in assists, or say top 3 at least.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Why was that statement funny?..

I find it to be pretty believable.