Alex Len...LET HIM GO!

[SirStefan32]

You foul out at 6, he fouls less than 6 times per 36 so yes he could play 36 minutes.

Please tell me you are joking!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Please tell me you are joking!

Remember who you're talking to Stef. Magic wasn't a PG.

 

[slinslin]

Come on, you're good with stats, think about it for a second. You cannot exceed 5 fouls and stay in the game, he averages 5.6, that means on average he would foul out more than half of his games were he to keep the same foul pace and play 36 minutes.

Are you freaking serious?

5.6 fouls per 36 minutes means that on average he does not have 6 fouls at 36 minutes.

Some game he will foul out before 36 minutes, some games he will foul out after 40 minutes.

 

[pokerface]

Are you freaking serious?

5.6 fouls per 36 minutes means that on average he does not have 6 fouls at 36 minutes.

Some game he will foul out before 36 minutes, some games he will foul out after 40 minutes.

Slin can't you concede that his fouling is probably keeping him out of the game and it's a problem? Maybe he can fix it or maybe he'll be a foul magnet for life like Mark West was...

 

[BC867]

Are you freaking serious?

5.6 fouls per 36 minutes means that on average he does not have 6 fouls at 36 minutes.

Your conclusion is not representative. A player who gets no foul in his first game, then six in the next three (0+6+6+6 = 18 total fouls in 4 games) would have an average of 4.5 per game but foul out three out of every four games. Average is not an accurate factor in probabilities.

There are three measures to probabilities. Mean (which people call "average"), median and mode. Regarding median and mode, IIRC, one is the point that falls in the middle of total chances and the other is the number that occurs most often. In my example of 0-6-6-6, both the number in the middle and the one that occurs most often are 6, which could mean fouling out three out of every four games.

Another example, even worse, would be 5-6-5-6-5-6 fouls in six games, which would be less than the 5.6 average you cited. That means he'd foul out in of half of his games and be on the verge of fouling out in the rest. He literally hurts his team all six games.

The first example is like saying that a person with one foot in dry ice and the other in boiling water is, on average, pretty comfortable.

 

[Yuma]

I think the Len contract will be more than we think just because of that new TV money that is inflating everyone's salary. That said, it has to be compared to other centers roughly equivalent. Where else do we find a 7 foot center that can run? I just think if he ran more, to the front of the rim, and beat his guy down the floor, he has an easy 10 points a game right there. He just needs some improvement defensively. Maybe a different big man coach?

 

[pokerface]

Len just isn't a natural baller. His plus minus is bad...His shot and touch around the basket isnt good...His basketball IQ seems low. His consistency is frustrating.


Yeah he has his pluses. He alters shots as a defender..He rebounds ok..Uhh I think that's about it. Oh yeah, he's 23 and we desperately need a big...Oh wait a minute. Those aren't basketball qualities. Uhh...He rebounds ok...Oh yeah I said that!

 

[Haunting]

Briliant thread, so much comedy gold in this one.

Len has easily been the Suns 2nd best player this year.

Suns are 10-11 under Triano when Booker and Len are playing and Len is putting up 15/15/2/2 per36 with over 60%TS and a 19.7 PER at only 24 years old.

 

[Mainstreet]

Briliant thread, so much comedy gold in this one.

Len has easily been the Suns 2nd best player this year.

Suns are 10-11 under Triano when Booker and Len are playing and Len is putting up 15/15/2/2 per36 with over 60%TS and a 19.7 PER at only 24 years old.

I think a lot of posters are coming to this point of view. Len has really come of age this season. Too bad he didn't show it last season so the Suns could have extended him.

 

[Hoop Head]

Briliant thread, so much comedy gold in this one.

Len has easily been the Suns 2nd best player this year.

Suns are 10-11 under Triano when Booker and Len are playing and Len is putting up 15/15/2/2 per36 with over 60%TS and a 19.7 PER at only 24 years old.

Do you know what you're talking about? Look at the date, every thing is from last season or before. No one here is talking about Len this season. Everyone admits that the light has come on for Len.

 

[pokerface]

I think a lot of posters are coming to this point of view. Len has really come of age this season. Too bad he didn't show it last season so the Suns could have extended him.

The whole league rejected Len this last offseason. They get paid millions of dollars to evaluate talent and no one offered him a long term contract. Even now the suns don't have total faith in Len that's why they play Chandler up the wazoo.

 

[Mainstreet]

The whole league rejected Len this last offseason. They get paid millions of dollars to evaluate talent and no one offered him a long term contract. Even now the suns don't have total faith in Len that's why they play Chandler up the wazoo.

I don't think the rest of the league will reject Len in the upcoming free agency.

The Suns have been rotating their centers. The Suns do seem to start Len over Chandler but perhaps this is because he has never lost the starting position. He has held this position since the beginning of the season. I like and respect Chandler but Len is the center I'd prefer to keep going forward if I had to make a choice.

 

[pokerface]

I don't think the rest of the league will reject Len in the upcoming free agency.

The Suns have been rotating their centers. The Suns do seem to start Len over Chandler but perhaps this is because he has never lost the starting position. He has held this position since the beginning of the season. I like and respect Chandler but Len is the center I'd prefer to keep going forward if I had to make a choice.

Well he does seem the defacto choice now. Especially if our draft goes down the toilet. But do we want to be in a bidding war over Len? I'm afraid of buyers remorse with this dude.

 

[Phrazbit]

Len has been much better of late. I think the total lack of offers in the off season and then the sporadic PT after the addition of Monroe was a serious wake-up call for him. Should we sign him this summer I hope this isn't just the play of a desperate hungry man who will get lazy once fed.

 

[Mainstreet]

Well he does seem the defacto choice now. Especially if our draft goes down the toilet. But do we want to be in a bidding war over Len? I'm afraid of buyers remorse with this dude.

Hopefully the Suns nor any other team wants to get in a bidding war for Len. I think Len will minimally be a competent center.

 

[pokerface]

Well I will concede many of you (JC & MS) were throwing around "big men take longer to develop". But not sure if that warranted giving long term contracts based on faith. Len should have showed his stuff last year... dopus.

 

[JS22]

his numbers are very good

14ppg 11.5rpg 2.5bpg per36 50% from the field. 3rd in Winshares on the team after Bledsoe and Chandler.

He is only 23. Letting him go would be beyond stupid. Alex Len should be a beast when he is 26.

Getting closer.

 

[JS22]

Well I will concede many of you (JC & MS) were throwing around "big men take longer to develop". But not sure if that warranted giving long term contracts based on faith. Len should have showed his stuff last year... dopus.

Coaching is more important than most realize. Watson had Len shooting 15+ foot jumpers last season.

Triano has simplified things for Len and is asking him to do what he's comfortable with. Hell the entire offense is starting to look a lot better. Len in the right system should be a consistent double-double guy. We're starting to see it now and I hope he gets closer to 30mpg from here on out.

 

[Mainstreet]

Coaching is more important than most realize. Watson had Len shooting 15+ foot jumpers last season.

Triano has simplified things for Len and is asking him to do what he's comfortable with. Hell the entire offense is starting to look a lot better. Len in the right system should be a consistent double-double guy. We're starting to see it now and I hope he gets closer to 30mpg from here on out.

The Suns need to clear up their excess center situation first. It may go down to the trade deadline.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Coaching is more important than most realize. Watson had Len shooting 15+ foot jumpers last season.

Triano has simplified things for Len and is asking him to do what he's comfortable with. Hell the entire offense is starting to look a lot better. Len in the right system should be a consistent double-double guy. We're starting to see it now and I hope he gets closer to 30mpg from here on out.

This. Exactly this. I recall the suns wanting Len to shoot jumpers. They wanted to make him a stretch 5 (and <shudder> a stretch 4). Man, put the kid in a position to succeed. Make it simple for him and then expand his skills and role. What Triano is doing is playing Len to his strengths, and SHOCKING I know, it’s working.

 

[pokerface]

This. Exactly this. I recall the suns wanting Len to shoot jumpers. They wanted to make him a stretch 5 (and <shudder> a stretch 4). Man, put the kid in a position to succeed. Make it simple for him and then expand his skills and role. What Triano is doing is playing Len to his strengths, and SHOCKING I know, it’s working.

I believe Triano helped and Len is hungrier in a contract year. I wouldn't throw the farm at him though but he earned our interest now. Let's see how this unfolds this season and beyond.

 

[JS22]

This. Exactly this. I recall the suns wanting Len to shoot jumpers. They wanted to make him a stretch 5 (and <shudder> a stretch 4). Man, put the kid in a position to succeed. Make it simple for him and then expand his skills and role. What Triano is doing is playing Len to his strengths, and SHOCKING I know, it’s working.

I thought it was ridiculous that they didn't interview ANYONE else before bringing Watson back full time. (And I'll admit, I was a Watson guy. Thought his "method" of coaching could help the young guys. Boy was I wrong.) But the more I see Triano coach this team and slowly integrate his style, the more I want to see him back next year. They still need to at least interview others, but I would not be disappointed at all if it's Triano. And I'd like to see Nash back at some capacity since they are pretty close.

Question is, does Triano even want the job beyond this season?

 

[SirStefan32]

I thought it was ridiculous that they didn't interview ANYONE else before bringing Watson back full time. (And I'll admit, I was a Watson guy. Thought his "method" of coaching could help the young guys. Boy was I wrong.) But the more I see Triano coach this team and slowly integrate his style, the more I want to see him back next year. They still need to at least interview others, but I would not be disappointed at all if it's Triano. And I'd like to see Nash back at some capacity since they are pretty close.

Question is, does Triano even want the job beyond this season?

It doesn't sound like he wants the job. From what I've heard, he loves developing guys but hates the things Head Coaches have to do- media appearances, interviews, and all the administrative stuff.
I am sure if the Suns really want him, they can throw enough money at him, get Booker to personally ask him, etc.

 

[JS22]

It doesn't sound like he wants the job. From what I've heard, he loves developing guys but hates the things Head Coaches have to do- media appearances, interviews, and all the administrative stuff.
I am sure if the Suns really want him, they can throw enough money at him, get Booker to personally ask him, etc.

Maybe the Suns hire Nash and keep Triano around in an expanded role. From what I've read Watson didn't give assistants much, if any, control.

Hiring Nash as the head coach is just crazy (and stupid?) enough that I could see the Suns doing it.

 

[SirStefan32]

Please no Nash as a Head Coach. Hire him as an assistant, give him something to do in the Front Office, but please, stop with the Head Coach thing.