Amare: Extension in the works

[jagu]

I don't mind the Suns resigning Amare. I would have liked to move him for some big time players who are young but our FO is too stupid for such deals to happen. Re-signing him means we'll be a good team next year (with a better RoLO and Dragic to boot).. Plus we can move J-Rich next year and (maybe Barbosa) try to get some talent in the 2011 free agency.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

"Meet his number"? No thanks. Let him walk altogether or sign and trade him. That's it. This delusional loafer should only get his money off some other team's payroll....

 

[AfroSuns]

I followed that link and i saw some comments that says Amare will suck if he didn't play with Nash. Nash helps, but Amare will get his numbers as long as he is playing like he has currently being doing. A recent example is the game against OKC without Nash, Amare played well, the only Suns that seem to miss Nash in that game was Rolo.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

"Meet his number"? No thanks. Let him walk altogether or sign and trade him. That's it. This delusional loafer should only get his money off some other team's payroll....

You don't know what "his number" even is. It wasn't mentioned in the article. The previous rumored and rejected offer was less about money and more about years.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Fair enough. I will say that "my number" is to not exceed $12 million. Frankly, I think THAT is too much. $10 million is probably the sweet spot, IMO. I highly doubt that this is in line with Amare's "number"....

 

[HooverDam]

How I (and I suspect most folks) feel about this will be entirely dependent on what the contract is. Id love to have Amare back for a reasonable contract, but he's not a max or near max guy and not a guy who can be option 1 on a title contender.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Exactly. He ain't Batman, he's Robin. How much do you pay Robin?

Edit: Frankly, at some times, he even looks more like Robin's ASSISTANT. What was the butler's name again? Maybe Amare is the butler in the Batman & Robin equation....

 

[AzStevenCal]

Exactly. He ain't Batman, he's Robin. How much do you pay Robin?

Edit: Frankly, at some times, he even looks more like Robin's ASSISTANT. What was the butler's name again? Maybe Amare is the butler in the Batman & Robin equation....

Well, he's no Alfred that's for sure. I'm not sure what you're expecting out there if you hold such a low opinion of a player who IMO is clearly among the top 15 or so. He's not Lebron, Kobe or DWade but few are. Someone will give him 15 mil plus for a max length contract.

Steve

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Well, maybe I'm being a bit harsh on the Alfred (thanks!) comparison, but I did say 'at some times'. When he's in full loafer mode, he's definitely an Alfred....

 

[AzStevenCal]

He's not perfect but he's an almost unstoppable offensive weapon when healthy and that doesn't come cheap. Compare him to the players that have received max or near max money and it's clear he'll get paid by somebody. The injury risk will take a lot of teams out of the bidding but it won't stop everyone and if we lose him for nothing we'll have egg on our face for quite awhile.

I really am torn on this because despite his weaknesses I love watching the guy play. Losing him will hurt but so will giving him a max deal and having his knee or eyes end his career in a couple of seasons. The best scenario would be a sign and trade that didn't look like a clearance sale or re-signing him for 12/14 million to a long term deal. Don't know if either is possible though.

Steve

 

[elindholm]

The biggest uncertainty is that no one knows what kind of salary rules are going to be in place with the next CBA. A contract that looks reasonable now might turn out to be obscenely bloated in a few years. There's a decent chance that, by 2015, no one will be making more than $15 million per year, and all other salaries will be scaled accordingly.

 

[joshstmarie]

Overpay him for two years. Personally if he has to come back, I hope its only for the couple of years they have discussed.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The biggest uncertainty is that no one knows what kind of salary rules are going to be in place with the next CBA. A contract that looks reasonable now might turn out to be obscenely bloated in a few years. There's a decent chance that, by 2015, no one will be making more than $15 million per year, and all other salaries will be scaled accordingly.

That is true but with the agents pulling out all stops to regain the degree of control they use to have it's anyone's guess what will happen. By all rights the contracts should be significantly downsized but I'm not sure Stern will win this battle.

Steve

 

[dodie53]

Alfred. haha

 

[elindholm]

That is true but with the agents pulling out all stops to regain the degree of control they use to have it's anyone's guess what will happen. By all rights the contracts should be significantly downsized but I'm not sure Stern will win this battle.

The arithmetic is pretty simple. Most owners are losing money. A few will want to play even if it's costing them, but most won't. The league won't go forward without an economic structure that makes it possible for most owners to at least break even.

It won't surprise me at all if the 2011-12 season is completely lost. It would be better off financially for most owners anyway. After that, the players will cave, if they haven't already.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The arithmetic is pretty simple. Most owners are losing money. A few will want to play even if it's costing them, but most won't. The league won't go forward without an economic structure that makes it possible for most owners to at least break even.

It won't surprise me at all if the 2011-12 season is completely lost. It would be better off financially for most owners anyway. After that, the players will cave, if they haven't already.

I wonder how long it will take for the league to recover it's core audience if it closes up shop for a year? You say that most owners would be better off not playing for a year but I'm not sure you're right. A lot of these franchises will lose considerable value with a prolonged work stoppage - something that few owners can survive. This looks to be a very tough situation and I really don't know who will cave first.

Steve

 

[elindholm]

I wonder how long it will take for the league to recover it's core audience if it closes up shop for a year?

How long did it take baseball or hockey? Less long than I would have expected. I never returned to being a baseball fan, but evidently someone replaced me.

A lot of these franchises will lose considerable value with a prolonged work stoppage - something that few owners can survive.

True, but if they need to sell soon, they're in big trouble anyway. A franchise that is losing tens of millions of dollars per year, with no real hope of turning things around, isn't going to fetch much of a price at all.

Unless the owners are fools, anyone who thinks he can't ride out the next five years of losses is desperately trying to sell right now. They see the writing on the wall.

 

[AzStevenCal]

How long did it take baseball or hockey? Less long than I would have expected. I never returned to being a baseball fan, but evidently someone replaced me.

It took me several years before I began paying much attention to baseball and I'm still not the avid fan I once was but, you're right, they weathered the storm well. I've never followed hockey but from the outside looking in I'm not sure it ever truly rebounded. Regardless, one of these times though a major sport will get hurt so badly that it will change the landscape. I think the NFL and the NBA are both worried about that possibility with their impending negotiations.

I do believe that fan tolerance for this kind of thing is at an all time low although that may just be frustrated venting I keep coming across. For myself, a prolonged lockout in either sport will put an end to my days as a fan but I'm probably not the demographic they're most concerned about.

Steve

 

[cly2tw]

Options with the new CBA are aplenty. If there were a radical change, I couldn't imagine there were no solution for big contracts signed previously, upholding which would render many teams incompetitive for many years all of a sudden. If they could refuse to pay the contract stipulated salary by the act of locking out, they could mandatorily rescale the old salaries somehow too. In any way, those teams who are willing to take the risk some super risk-averse teams wouldn't may get rewarded either way.

 

[devilalum]

It took me several years before I began paying much attention to baseball and I'm still not the avid fan I once was but, you're right, they weathered the storm well. I've never followed hockey but from the outside looking in I'm not sure it ever truly rebounded. Regardless, one of these times though a major sport will get hurt so badly that it will change the landscape. I think the NFL and the NBA are both worried about that possibility with their impending negotiations.

I do believe that fan tolerance for this kind of thing is at an all time low although that may just be frustrated venting I keep coming across. For myself, a prolonged lockout in either sport will put an end to my days as a fan but I'm probably not the demographic they're most concerned about.

Steve

Isn't the NFL the most lucrative pro league in the world?

The NBA has had major problems with their fan base for years but the NFL is an american institution. There might be some backlash if they skipped a season but they'd bounce back in 2-3 years just like MLB did.

If the NBA skipped a season they might have a couple of teams go bankrupt as a result.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Isn't the NFL the most lucrative pro league in the world?

The NBA has had major problems with their fan base for years but the NFL is an american institution. There might be some backlash if they skipped a season but they'd bounce back in 2-3 years just like MLB did.

If the NBA skipped a season they might have a couple of teams go bankrupt as a result.

If the NFL was still negotiating with Gene Upshaw I'd agree but that's not the case. I do agree though that a few basketball teams could go under if they miss a season. I'm sure the league will do what it can to keep them afloat but easy finance term loans and such may not cut it. And with the agents willing to cover some of the "strike" expenses in order to regain their power I do expect at least one season to be lost. I really hope I'm just being pessimistic about this but we'll see.

Steve

 

[DeAnna]

The team has a four-day break and he's on a "vegan fast" in order to "purify" his body and be ready for the last push toward the playoffs.

oh no ... now he's gonna be lethargic again. Not enough protein in vegan foods.

 

[slinslin]

Re-sign this man!!!

 

[Black Jesus]

Pay the man! Amare is a beast.

Anyway scenario that could have us getting Joe Johnson back next year?

J-Rich, Barbosa and Clark in a sign and trade or something?

 

[SactownSunsFan]

Yeah, if Amare continues this level of play into the playoffs, how can you not give him the max?