Amare to New Jersey

[slinslin]

Suns:
Amare
Amundson
Griffin

Nets:
Simmons
Yi
Williams
2010 top1 protected pick else 2011 unprotected pick
2010 2nd round pick or Dallas first rounder

Would the Nets do that?

They would have Harris/Lee/???/Amare/Lopez and enough cash to offer the max to Lebron to come to Brooklyn.

I'd be willing to throw in Nash for Harris to get it done if it removed the John Wall protection, doubt that goes well with them though.

 

[krazyasiankid]

I think the SUns will have to give up some more. Maybe Channing Frye aswell.

 

[slinslin]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/01/26/2010-01-26_amare_on_nets_horizon.html

Suns forward Amare Stoudemire hasn't denied the possibility of playing for the Nets and the lack of a contract extension in Phoenix has put the All-Star on the trade block.

"There are some teams you may say no way (to). But I don't think the Nets are one of them," said Stoudemire, adding that he sees "potential" in the Nets.

The Nets appear to have the pieces needed to deal for Stoudemire.

Phoenix is said to be looking for a combination of young players, draft picks and salary cap relief. New Jersey can provide all of that.

The Nets have 10 draft picks over the next three years and young players like Chris Douglas-Roberts, Courtney Lee, Yi Jianlian and Terrence Williams.

 

[Kolo]

Suns:
Amare
Amundson
Griffin

Nets:
Simmons
Yi
Williams
2010 top1 protected pick else 2011 unprotected pick
2010 2nd round pick or Dallas first rounder

Would the Nets do that?

They would have Harris/Lee/???/Amare/Lopez and enough cash to offer the max to Lebron to come to Brooklyn.

I'd be willing to throw in Nash for Harris to get it done if it removed the John Wall protection, doubt that goes well with them though.

Terence Williams blows, and Yi isn't much better or different than Channing Frye. The only player I like on the Nets (since there's no way in hell they'd trade Lopez and no way they'd move their pick this year) is Devin Harris, but he's a lousy fit with Nash.

It makes sense to an extent for New Jersey, if they can extend Amare and get the sense that Lebron would move to Brooklyn.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Well, I would tell the Nets that they can either get Amare which gives them an improving prospect at getting Lebron or they can keep their #1 and try to lure Lebron with the same crap team with a rookie added. They don't have leverage on this as I see it - considering SOME team will provide greater value in trade than what they can even begin to offer. Unprotected first or bust....

That said, Lebron-Amare-Lopez is a strong, well-rounded core....

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Amare for Simmons/Dooling/#1

Done!

Simlpe. Beneficial.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Actually, Simmons/Hayes is better as it saves us $3m this year (probably $1.5m pro-rated)....

 

[krazyasiankid]

Their first round pick? You mean potentially the draft rights to John Wall?..

 

[devilalum]

Their first round pick? You mean potentially the draft rights to John Wall?..

No, the Suns are the only team that trades first rounders without protection.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

After reviewing this draft class, I don't see a need for the Suns to get the #1. This draft is top heavy with backcourt and swing players. I want to target Larry Sanders, a 6'10" PF who is compared to Theo Ratliff. To target him, we would only need a pick in the 8-12 range. With a player like Sanders in tow, we would need to find a high post 5, a la Brad Miller or the young clone of him in SAC.

With that said, a trade with SAC of Amare for Hawes/Garcia/Thomas/#1 gets it done, but:

Would SAC want to run Thompson/Stoudemire in the Frontcourt?

With SAC's current slating at about #5, that may be too much value without tinkering that trade, but SAC's salaries are so low it's a really hard thing to do.

Evans with Thompson/Stoudemire could be pretty formidable, but only with a D'Antoni-type coach, IMO.

With that trade, we get Hawes (Miller-lite) AND Sanders and my ideal (with considerations for what this draft has is completed in one fell swoop.

Dragic-FA-Clark-Sanders-Hawes

I like the looks of that going into the future....

 

[slinslin]

Umm what?

The difference between John Wall and anyone else in this class can only be measured by light years.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Alright, now I'm just doing the fantasy thing, but here's this:

PHX sends:
Stoudemire

PHX gets:
Hawes
KThomas
KBrown
DET#1

SAC sends:
Hawes
KThomas

SAC gets:
TPrince

DET sends:
TPrince
KBrown
DET#1

DET gets:
Stoudemire

Eh?

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Umm what?

The difference between John Wall and anyone else in this class can only be measured by light years.

Maybe so, but I'm SO done with the idea of building from the PG up. Like I said, DWilliams and CPaul - for all their greatness - ain't gonna win a ring without a top-tier 4 or 5, period. Same for Wall. On the flipside, DHoward could win a ring with Nelson at the point (or some other 2nd or third tier PG).

THAT'S how we gotta build....

 

[AsUdUdE]

This from the NY Daily news this morning

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/01/26/2010-01-26_amare_on_nets_horizon.html

A lot of rumors this time of year, but this one just may have legs to it...

especially if Amare agrees to an extention, I think NJ may be one of those teams..

In the article it talks about Amare for YI being the base... while CDR, Lee, or williams probably thrown in....

I would tend to say, a trade of Amare/Amendsun/2nd round pick for YI, Lee, their 2011 unprotected 1st and Dallas' 1st this year.... oh and ofcourse simmons corpse to make the financial side work

It makes sense for both teams and the Suns can get pieces to rebuild while not completely blowing this year up either...

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The Nets young players are garbage, with the exception of Lopez, I wouldn't want any of them. Unless they're packaging several first rounders, including at least one high lottery pick, I don't see the Nets as a fit.

 

[slinslin]

Dallas first rounder, Nets 2011 first rounder and the Nets 2nd rounder this year.

I also like the potential in Williams and Yi is decent although will never be the next Dirk.

 

[The Commish]

This from the NY Daily news this morning

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/01/26/2010-01-26_amare_on_nets_horizon.html

A lot of rumors this time of year, but this one just may have legs to it...

especially if Amare agrees to an extention, I think NJ may be one of those teams..

In the article it talks about Amare for YI being the base... while CDR, Lee, or williams probably thrown in....

I would tend to say, a trade of Amare/Amendsun/2nd round pick for YI, Lee, their 2011 unprotected 1st and Dallas' 1st this year.... oh and ofcourse simmons corpse to make the financial side work

It makes sense for both teams and the Suns can get pieces to rebuild while not completely blowing this year up either...

I'd probably do it. Tough to find a better offer.

 

[The Commish]

Don't under estimate $arver salivating at the additional revenue Yi would provide. Chinese $$$ would be very tempting to someone in his position...

 

[slinslin]

Don't under estimate $arver salivating at the additional revenue Yi would provide. Chinese $$$ would be very tempting to someone in his position...

And how would we benefit?

Arizona doesn't have much of a chinese population. I don't think Phoenix will earn anything from marketing him in China. I thought that revenue is shared by the NBA and distributed to the teams anyway.

 

[The Commish]

And how would we benefit?

Arizona doesn't have much of a chinese population. I don't think Phoenix will earn anything from marketing him in China. I thought that revenue is shared by the NBA and distributed to the teams anyway.

You're partially true, but read this:

Tuesday, March 10, 2009

The NBA's Real Economic Problem: A Lack of Revenue Sharing


Here are some numbers to give you an idea of what I am talking about: In the NFL, the home team splits the gate 60-40 with the the away team. In the NBA, the home teams keep everything. In the NFL 70%-75% of team revenue comes from revenue sharing. In the NBA it is only 20%-25%. In the MLB 35% of each teams local media revenues (TV, Radio, etc.) are put into a pot and redistributed. There is no such agreement in the NBA. In the NBA $49 million was redistributed for revenue sharing (via the lux tax and the escrow system) in 2008, while the MLB redistributed $300 million in 2005.

Look at the NBA team income distribution from last year: Outside of the Spurs, the small market teams are struggling, while the large markets are thriving. The discrepancy is only going to get larger as the league is handing off local digital rights to the individual teams. Of course, the large market teams will pocket a ton of money, while the small markets will hardly see a dime from this arrangement.


http://jonesonthenba.com/2009/03/nbas-real-economic-problem-lack-of.html

Secondly, no way would the Rockets ever let go of Yao. No one can put an exact figure on the amount of revenue the team generates in China, but given that they’ve been adopted as the country’s team in the NBA I suspect it’s quite large. Every game is televised in China, Rockets jerseys are everywhere (and not just Yao’s, but also Battier’s and McGrady’s), and as we’ve heard one or two times before–it’s a growing market, so they’d be giving up an even larger chuck of future revenue if they lost him.

http://www.rockets-buzz.com/?p=1423

I understand Yi is not Yao, but the additional revenue is there.

 

[Folster]

I'll take Yi, Williams/Lee (whoever the Suns like better), filler, and a combo of picks. The right mix of picks is definitely the key to the deal. I highly doubt NJ gives up their pick this year though.

I'd like to use a late first or and early second on Jarvis Varnado from Mississippi St. He's limited offensively, but he is averaging 5.3 blocks per game!! He'd pretty much make Amundson useless.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=32037

 

[AsUdUdE]

I'll take Yi, Williams/Lee (whoever the Suns like better), filler, and a combo of picks. The right mix of picks is definitely the key to the deal. I highly doubt NJ gives up their pick this year though.

I'd like to use a late first or and early second on Jarvis Varnado from Mississippi St. He's limited offensively, but he is averaging 5.3 blocks per game!! He'd pretty much make Amundson useless.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=32037

Don't know much about this guy... but I think the most impressive part of his season...

He averages over 5 BPG, and has only foulded out 1 TIME the entire season... So he knows how to play defense without fouling, which is DAMN impressive.. I'm sold

 

[krazyasiankid]

No, the Suns are the only team that trades first rounders without protection.

Ahh sorry. i misread that. So PROTECTED first round pick.. Which sarver will probably sell off for cash..

 

[asudevil83]

My turn:

Suns trade:
Amare/Griffin
Suns get:
Beidrins/Randolph/Roberts/Bell/1st rounder from NJ

Nets trade:
Roberts/Simmons/Yi/1st Rounder/2nd Rounder
Nets get:
Amare

Warriors trade:
Randolph/Bell
Warriors get:
Yi/Simmons/2nd from NJ

Beidrins/Lopez
Randolph/Amundson
Roberts/Clark
Richardson/Barbosa
Nash/Dragic

Collins/Griffin become expendable and probably either cut in used as throwins in the trade.

this team has plenty of youth and potential. granted, it wont be a great team right away, but it would be exciting to watch, and full of potential.