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I'd bet Bob will be pissed if you guys get this moved to P&R. :D

I love that song. Thanks for the recommendation CardinalBob.

I will check it out.
 

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Brian in Mesa said:
Don't wanna be an American idiot.
One nation controlled by the media.
Information nation of hysteria.
It's going out to idiot America.

Attacking the media isn't an attack on the Right. It's an attack on the Left. :D

Don't want a nation under the new media.

Note the word new. Not the old leftist media. The new righty propaganda media. ;)

I'm not a part of a redneck agenda.
Now everybody do the propaganda.
And sing along in the age of paranoia.

Fox news brother. Terror warnings. Causing hysteria through the media.

Redneck agenda, anti-gay, flag-waving, paranoia. Propaganda, you know, paying the media to spread your red neck agenda?

There are plenty of right wing, accepted media these days. Fox news?

Yeah, lmao, Green Day is calling lefties: red necks.

:biglaugh:
 
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The funny thing, to me, is that you guys are a part of the redneck agenda.


I guess I am a ****** American.

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I don't like Rage Against the Machine's anti-capitialist slant but that doesn't stop me from enjoying their music or being sympathic to their anti-establishment perspective.

Do we have to dislike a song, band, or comedian if their political views don't agree with our own?

It is his perspective, I can respect it but still disagree.

That is assuming we even interpret it correctly. :D
 

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SirChaz said:
I don't like Rage Against the Machine's anti-capitialist slant but that doesn't stop me from enjoying their music or being sympathic to their anti-establishment perspective.

Do we have to dislike a song, band, or comedian if their political views don't agree with our own?

It is his perspective, I can respect it but still disagree.

That is assuming we even interpret it correctly. :D


:D

Always up for a dispute Chaz, that why I like you! :cheers:


I am not a Green Day fan. I have always thought they were fake as fake can be. I liked this song cause it obviously, unlike anything else I have heard radio-wise, takes on Bushies.

I love Rage, saw them at the now defunct Roxie when they were just making it.

Do you like to watch Bill Maher sp?
 

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SirChaz said:
Do we have to dislike a song, band, or comedian if their political views don't agree with our own?

I won't listen to some gospel song preaching the good of George W. Bush. I don't like Dennis Miller anymore either.

So, I guess you can, but I can't.
 

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SirChaz said:
I'd bet Bob will be pissed if you guys get this moved to P&R. :D

I love that song. Thanks for the recommendation CardinalBob.

I will check it out.

No need to be concerned about me transferring this thread to the P&R forum... Lyrics obviously is a major component in music and how it impacts/affects us regardless of what the "overtones" are.....

Anyways.... I must admit that I sometimes cringe when I listen to certain songs on this album because I notice several instances in which it appears they "borrow freely" from several other band's ideas (which has been pointed out in the past), however, I guess I could acknowledge it to a certain degree of Green Day showing their appreciation towards all their collective influences....
 

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KLL said:
No need to be concerned about me transferring this thread to the P&R forum... Lyrics obviously is a major component in music and how it impacts/affects us regardless of what the "overtones" are.....

Anyways.... I must admit that I sometimes cringe when I listen to certain songs on this album because I notice several instances in which it appears they "borrow freely" from several other band's ideas (which has been pointed out in the past), however, I guess I could acknowledge it to a certain degree of Green Day showing their appreciation towards all their collective influences....

Hey Bob!

:D
 

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KingofCards said:
Don't want a nation under the new media.

Note the word new. Not the old leftist media. The new righty propaganda media. ;)

I'm not a part of a redneck agenda.
Now everybody do the propaganda.
And sing along in the age of paranoia.

Fox news brother. Terror warnings. Causing hysteria through the media.

Redneck agenda, anti-gay, flag-waving, paranoia. Propaganda, you know, paying the media to spread your red neck agenda?

There are plenty of right wing, accepted media these days. Fox news?

Yeah, lmao, Green Day is calling lefties: red necks.

:biglaugh:
What an A-hole. Go and try to ruin the song for everyone why dont you. :(

Just cuz I voted for Bush doesnt make me a right side extremist.

Thats it, Imma snuff you out KoC!

:D
 

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KingofCards said:
:D

Always up for a dispute Chaz, that why I like you! :cheers:


I am not a Green Day fan. I have always thought they were fake as fake can be. I liked this song cause it obviously, unlike anything else I have heard radio-wise, takes on Bushies.

I love Rage, saw them at the now defunct Roxie when they were just making it.

Do you like to watch Bill Maher sp?


LOL

Bill Maher is ok. I don't have any real problem with him. The only time I have a problem with people is when they go into personal attacks. That goes for anyone from Ed Schultz to Rush Limbaugh.

As for this song I don't disagree with the sentiment (just like Rage's anti-establishment position) I just think they are a little off target on where the real problem lays.

I think the nation is controlled by the media and fear but it only seems like a bad thing to some people when it is the right doing it. When the left leaning folks do it it is nothing but 'mainstream politics'.

If this song raises awareness and get people to think about stuff and not be apathetic then it could be a good thing and I would support it despite any problems I might have with the particular content.
 

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SirChaz said:
I think the nation is controlled by the media and fear but it only seems like a bad thing to some people when it is the right doing it. When the left leaning folks do it it is nothing but 'mainstream politics'.

If this song raises awareness and get people to think about stuff and not be apathetic then it could be a good thing and I would support it despite any problems I might have with the particular content.

Good points.

I personally hope that no one out there is mindless enough to make their decision on who to vote for because of which celebrities or musicians back certain candidates.

Get a freaking life and think for yourself.

:theonlythingwehavetofearisfearitself:
 

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I refuse to listen to any Green Day, or any of that Pop-Punk MTV Crap.

I agree with you on that Jordan. Old Green Day was great. Brain Stew was one of the greatest songs. This new garbage they have like American Idiot and Boulevard of Broken Dreams are just awful.
 
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Phill11 said:
I agree with you on that Jordan. Old Green Day was great. Brain Stew was one of the greatest songs. This new garbage they have like American Idiot and Boulevard of Broken Dreams are just awful.

This sounds like a person who hasn't bothered to actually listen to the album. If you had, I doubt you'd call it "awful". From a melody and songwriting perspective, "American Idiot" is so far above anything Green Day have ever done.

On a side note, I got tickets to go see them in April down in Atlantic City...fairly small arena at the Trump Taj Mahal...should be cool.
 

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It's good RADIO pop, I like the lefty politics, they weren't all "that" back in the day - they've always WANTED to get to the sound they have now, IMO.
The songs "Idiot" and "Holiday" are good, "Dreams" is tolerable - I'd rather hear that than whiny Nickleback or nu-metal posturings.
 

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It's good RADIO pop, I like the lefty politics, they weren't all "that" back in the day - they've always WANTED to get to the sound they have now, IMO.
The songs "Idiot" and "Holiday" are good, "Dreams" is tolerable - I'd rather hear that than whiny Nickleback or nu-metal posturings.

I agree 100% with everything andi just said. Spot on. :thumbup:
 
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andikrist said:
It's good RADIO pop, I like the lefty politics, they weren't all "that" back in the day - they've always WANTED to get to the sound they have now, IMO.
The songs "Idiot" and "Holiday" are good, "Dreams" is tolerable - I'd rather hear that than whiny Nickleback or nu-metal posturings.

I would agree with this as well. I think more than just "Idiot" and "Holiday" are good though. I love the whole "Jesus Of Suburbia" suite, and "St. Jimmy" is kickin' too. Hell, I love the whole album. But it is certainly more "pop" music than punk rock. People who call Green Day (or Good Charlotte or Blink-182 or any of those other "pop-punk" bands) punk rock, have obviously never heard REAL punk rock.
 

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Green Day anyone?

So I picked up the latest Green Day c.d. (American Idiot) about a month ago, and I just can't stop listening to it. Plain and simple...this is a "Masterpiece"! Fun, punk and very well produced.

I must confess, I was never really into Green Day that much. Oh sure a few of their songs over the years were good, but for the most part I've always thought of them as "sophomoric"; a punk rock band that nonetheless...has a Top-40 appeal.

Anyways...it's apparent they have taken that "sophomoric" sound to new levels. Keeping mainly in the "punk" mode, but with an added production boost...this new album jumps out of the speakers like nobody's business. Very well produced!

At first listen, I thought that this cd was going to be a ingenious stab at "pop-culture" from the standpoint of making fun of all these "reality-tv" shows. I actually thought that the song "American Idiot" was poking fun at the unbelievably over marketed...stuff down our throats "American Idol" tv show.

YES... I was thinking! Finally a band making fun of the all these "wanna-be's and their loyal "followers". An "anti-pop-culture" stance if you will. I loved it!

BUT...not so. After a couple listens and the clueing in by a few friends you now get what singer Billie Joe Armstrong intended.

Basically, there's a story to the whole album. Different characters (Jesus of "Suburbia" and St. Jimmy) are inherit within the entire cd. Songs run together making the cd sound like a "concept" album. One song at times will run directly into a new one. Reminds me of The Beatles in many places and overall has a very "familiar" vibe to it. That's the best music...when there's a somewhat "familiarity" to it. Music is "best" when you "know" it.

The actual music/instruments are GREAT if you like Rock music, but I will say the lyrics can be somewhat "disturbing" to a degree. Well, maybe not "disturbing", but a little bizarre, if not realistic.

I'm not one to listen to the lyrics much as long as the vocalists is singing what's appropriate within the context of the song. Without knowing or "tuning out" what the vocalists is actually singing makes me enjoy this album even more. If you ask my wife (who also likes this cd), she thinks the lyrics are somewhat "anti-American", and "anti-Bush". She's right...but I don't care cuz this cd rocks!

I'd like to think that there's NOT a political message trying to be sent, but I would be naive to think otherwise. Can't a punk band make an awesome sounding cd for once that's NOT trying to send a message? NOPE! And that's probably why it's gone to #1. People love that stuff!

I'll just listen to the music and tune out the lyrics like I usually do. Give me guitar, drums and vocal harmonies with melodic tempo, and I'm in rock bliss!

Anyways...any of you also liking this? I'm quit surprised by it, and really...had no idea I would even own a GreenDay c.d.
 
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The best album released in a very long time! I got this album for Christmas and still can't stop listening to it! My wife and I saw them this past Sunday in Atlantic City, NJ and it was a fantastic show! But we both laughed because we were the only people there over the age of 21 (I'm 41, she's 46) without teenagers in tow. I told her we were chaperones, but the kids probably thought we were narcs. LOL!
 
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Here's a little thing I found that details the story told by the album...


Our story begins with the title track, a deceptively straightforward tune that belies the gravity of the material to follow. Granted, the song "American Idiot" does have a "single" feel about it, but the piece is easily superior to most of Green Day's radio-airwave contributions in the past. Their sound has continued to become fuller and more well-rounded as time goes on, but thanfully their punk essence has remained impervious to each successive album's increasingly immaculate production values. It's a fitting and wholly appropriate prologue to Green Day's finest hour. Then comes "Jesus of Suburbia." And the doors are blown wide open.

"Jesus of Suburbia" is a nine-minute epic suite composed of five separate and unique pieces -- "Jesus of Suburbia," "City of the Damned," "I Don't Care," "Dearly Beloved," and "Tales of Another Broken Home" -- which are expertly blended together with some exquisite guitar work. It is here that we are first introduced to our protagonist, Jesus of Suburbia, the disillusioned teenage "son of rage and love." Lost in a world of confusion, apathy, rage, loneliness, and drugs, Jesus doesn't come off as the kind of fellow who's going to take our story home into a warm and rising sun. And yet, for better or for worse, he's completely relatable, these nine minutes locking you into an empathetic mindset that persists throughout the length of this man's odyssey.

"Sometimes I wish someone out there will find me / 'Til then I walk alone..." -- "Boulevard of Broken Dreams"

After giving us a sobering glimpse of Jesus' constricted and poisonous world, Green Day sets it against the intimidating backdrop of the international theater in "Holiday," their inevitable polemic against Gulf War II. The song is as powerful and poignant as it is inflammatory; our President is reduced to the status of "gasman" and the picture painted of battle is as hellish as one might imagine. The true power of the song, though, is derived from how our crazy modern world factors into the lives of Jesus and the other characters we meet. Green Day forces us to consider not only the casualties of war abroad, but also those in our own neighborhoods.

The aforementioned image is further reinforced by "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" and "Are We the Waiting," songs which come across as the anguished screams of a destitute soul. Not content to relegate their instrumental oeuvre to the standard guitar/bass/drums that characterize much of their back catalogue, Green Day brings in a series of new ingredients to these and the other tracks on the album, actualizing the pianos, bells, and orchestral inflections they experimented with on Warning:. These unorthodox expansions serve the music far better this time around as they have a greater context with which to justify them. It all feels eerily and brilliantly natural.

"King of the 40 thieves and / I'm here to represent / The needle in the vein of the establishment..." -- "St. Jimmy"

Jesus of Suburbia needs a savior of his own, and it appears in the form of St. Jimmy, a streetwise kamikaze of a punk who comes off as just as destructive to himself as the "establishment" he so loathes. Red lights sound off like a million klaxons as the listener realizes that St. Jimmy may be the final push that sends the already-vulnerable Jesus of Suburbia over the edge, an idea which seems all the more valid during "Give Me Novocaine," a crucial moment when our protagonist seems to latch on to the false freedom St. Jimmy offers: "Tell me, Jimmy, I won't feel a thing / Give me novocaine." This track, even independent of the remainder of American Idiot, may be the most beautiful song Green Day has ever written.

Our third and final character, Whatsername, is introduced in the duality of "She's a Rebel" and "Extraordinary Girl." The transition from the lamentable chords of "Novocaine" to the uplifting riffs of "Rebel" illustrates that things may be looking up for Jesus after all, as he finds himself quite taken with Whatsername -- "She's holding on my heart / Like a hand grenade." The conflict outlined in "Extraordinary Girl," however, is our first clue that even this particular brand of salvation is too much to ask for.

"You're not the Jesus of Suburbia / The St. Jimmy is a figment of / Your father's rage and your mother's love..." -- "Letterbomb"

The demons of the past are conjured in "Letterbomb," and with them, we realize that everything is crashing down as Green Day hurtles towards the third act. As with many of the tracks on the latter half of the record, elements of all that has come before, especially the characters and the feelings they emote, resurface to give the entirety a consummate cohesion. Needless to say, not even Whatsername can save Jesus of Suburbia from his numbing Hell: "She said, 'I can't take this town / I'm leaving you tonight.'"

"Wake Me Up When September Ends" is our protagonist's requisite dirge for what could have been. Soaked in acoustic guitars and bells, "September" is easy to regard as the spiritual successor to Green Day's venerable ballad "Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)." The band wisely omitted the names of their characters from this powerful song, choosing instead to serve us equal doses of American Idiot storyline and universal emotion without having to break down the fourth wall.

"Jimmy died today / He blew his brains out into the bay..." -- "The Death of St. Jimmy

Finally, the threads of the story begin to be tied up, although not under the most ideal of circumstances. "Homecoming" is the nine-minute, third-act parallel to Act One's "Jesus of Suburbia," providing another set of five mini-songs tied together into a grand suite. St. Jimmy is dead and we find Jesus of Suburbia, over two decades later, "filling out paperwork now /At the facility on East 12th Street," completely wrecked by the events of the story. Sure, he's alive, but as one might theorize, not by choice. And what of Whatsername? "Thought I ran into you down the street," Jesus of Suburbia says, "Then it turned out to only be a dream." The song is an excruciatingly beautiful closer to American Idiot, and with all the hope that's been sapped from us over the course of the preceding 55 minutes, we can't help but feel that just enough of it remains. "She went away and then I took a different path..." Perhaps she saved him after all.

"I'll never turn back time / Forgetting you / But not the time..." -- "Whatsername"
 

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Green Day Expand Tour

Success of "American Idiot" gives band biggest tour ever


Green Day will kick off the next leg of their tour in support of American Idiot August 10th in Rosemont, Illinois, wrapping up on October 9th in Carson, California. Jimmy Eat World are set to open.

After fifteen years of touring clubs and arenas, the punk veterans will play stadium shows this fall, at New Jersey's Giants Stadium, San Francisco's SBC Park and Los Angeles' Home Depot Center in September and October.

"We want to be the biggest band in the world," says singer Billie Joe Armstrong. "You can have a big album, but the true stamp of approval comes from playing live."

The blockbuster American Idiot, which remained in the Top Ten for almost a year after its release, is currently in the Top Twenty, with 3.4 million copies sold in the U.S., according to Nielsen SoundScan.

Green Day's North American tour dates, with Jimmy Eat World:

8/10: Rosemont, IL, Allstate Arena
8/12: Barrie, Ontario, Molson Park
8/13: Buffalo, NY, HSBC Arena
8/14: Dayton, OH, Nutter Center
8/15: Nashville, Gaylord Entertainment Center
8/17: Oklahoma City, Ford Center
8/19: Houston, Toyota Center
8/20: Dallas, American Airlines Center
8/21: San Antonio, SBC Center
8/23: Atlanta, Philips Arena
8/24: Raleigh, NC, RBC Center
8/26: Sunrise, FL, Office Depot Center
8/30: Columbia, MD, Merriweather Post Pavilion
9/1: East Rutherford, NJ, Giants Stadium
9/4: Montreal, Parc Jean-Drapeau
9/5: Ottawa, Ontario, Corel Centre
9/7: Philadelphia, Wachovia Center
9/11: Auburn Hills, MI, Palace of Auburn Hills
9/14: Moline, IL, Mark of the Quad Cities
9/16: St. Paul, MN, Xcel Energy Center
9/17: Des Moines, Wells Fargo Arena
9/19: Denver, Pepsi Center
9/24: San Francisco, SBC Park
9/26: Tacoma, WA, Tacoma Dome
9/27: Vancouver, GM Place
9/30: Sacramento, CA, Arco Arena
10/1: Fresno, CA, Save Mart Center
10/2: Chula Vista, CA, Coors Amphitheatre
10/8: Carson, CA, Home Depot Center
10/9: Carson, CA, Home Depot Center


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