Antonio Davis goes into the stands...

[jibikao]

Ok, what exactly happened?!!!! A guy was sexually harrassing the wife or what? And it's been the same guy?

 

[MigratingOsprey]

it may not always be right, but it does calm the situation down between those 2 groups

I was at a chargers seahawks game and the drunk guy in front of me got tossed for throwing peanuts at people

they don't always get it right, but they usually do calm that particular situation

also remember that football games are a much different environment then basketball games - most basketball and hockey games I've been to security does a very good job in such instances

 

[Yuma]

People! Have you watched the video. AT ALL?

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=906425&postcount=115

Can't we at least agree on THAT!

 

[elindholm]

You say you think it was a mistake for him to leave the floor, but he made the right decision to do it.

No, I said it was the right decision based on what we knew yesterday. I've been basing my argument, in part, on two assumptions: that this had never happened before, and that Davis was taken by surprise when he saw his wife "fall back" and felt that he needed to do something quickly. It turns out that both of those assumptions were wrong, so that kind of torpedos my position.

 

[Chaplin]

You say you think it was a mistake for him to leave the floor, but he made the right decision to do it.

No, I said it was the right decision based on what we knew yesterday. I've been basing my argument, in part, on two assumptions: that this had never happened before, and that Davis was taken by surprise when he saw his wife "fall back" and felt that he needed to do something quickly. It turns out that both of those assumptions were wrong, so that kind of torpedos my position.

The first assumption was wrong, but I haven't heard anything about the 2nd being false.

 

[elindholm]

but I haven't heard anything about the 2nd being false.

Unfortunately, it is false, because Davis said he had his eye on what was going on for quite some time. So he had plenty of opportunity to alert security and say, "Just go take a look up there please, it looks like trouble might be brewing." There was no urgency at first. Instead, he waited until it got to a certain level, and then he decided that he had to go up right away. That doesn't really make sense. If his whole mission was to diffuse a situation before it got worse -- which is what I had been assuming all along -- and he was already suspicious, the simplest thing would have been to get someone on the scene when it all started.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

This has happened before. Davis went into the stands in a May 2002 game in Detroit in a similar incident

If I feel that my wife is threatened 100 times, I am going to do what I feel is right. I am not going to stop helping her just because I have helped her in the past.

Davis admits that he had been aware of the developing situation for several minutes and was monitoring it as he made his trips up and down the floor.

Now this is where the situation gets muddy. If he had been monitoring it for several minutes, he may have had time to contact security, or hell, even a referee for assistance.

That being said, I still have no problem supporting what he did, and believe that the suspension is excessive.

 

[Chaplin]

but I haven't heard anything about the 2nd being false.

Unfortunately, it is false, because Davis said he had his eye on what was going on for quite some time. So he had plenty of opportunity to alert security and say, "Just go take a look up there please, it looks like trouble might be brewing." There was no urgency at first. Instead, he waited until it got to a certain level, and then he decided that he had to go up right away. That doesn't really make sense. If his whole mission was to diffuse a situation before it got worse -- which is what I had been assuming all along -- and he was already suspicious, the simplest thing would have been to get someone on the scene when it all started.

Sounds like you're convincing yourself that your stance is wrong.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

not at all

to me it sounds like he is moving from the belief that davis didn't have time to do anything else and that by him getting there was the quickest way to difuse the situation

to one that since he had been monitoring the situation he probably had enough time to think through the events, his actions and get security up there before the timeout even happened

nothing inconsistent or trying to talk himself out of a stance - just a different stance for a different set of circumstances

 

[Chaplin]

not at all

to me it sounds like he is moving from the belief that davis didn't have time to do anything else and that by him getting there was the quickest way to difuse the situation

to one that since he had been monitoring the situation he probably had enough time to think through the events, his actions and get security up there before the timeout even happened

nothing inconsistent or trying to talk himself out of a stance - just a different stance for a different set of circumstances

Maybe you didn't see the smiley...

 

[MigratingOsprey]

nope - sure didn't

 

[Yuma]

OK, maybe we can agree I am the only one that thinks Kendra Davis' booty is hot?

 

[jibikao]

We already have 136 posts on this subject...

Make it 137 now. lol

Quite frankly, I don't really care. 5-day suspension sounds too harsh but he should be punished somehow since he broke the rule. The severity is a bit high.

 

[HooverDam]

I am not sure what goes on with security at Suns games because I haven't been near any incidents in Phoenix.

As one of the wisest thinkers of our time said, we don't do that because, "we're civilized in Phoenix."

OK, maybe we can agree I am the only one that thinks Kendra Davis' booty is hot?

Ill play devils advocate and say its just ok.

And as far as me "trusting" the police, absolutely not. I HATE the government, the state apparatus and the general over growth of governmental power. However, this has nothing to do with politics.

Like I keep saying, there was already arena personnel there handling the situation, Davis could've yelled and done a lot of other things first.

Obviously, we are not going to agree on this subject. I'll just say, there is NEVER a reason for a player to go into the stands w/ out first making a reasonable effort to alert security to the issue.

 

[minercon]

There has been over 135 posts on this subject, and for some reason no one has come up with a logical solution. At away games the visiting team is given somewhere around 200 tickets to possibly purchase. Maybe the NBA should make sure that a majority of these tickets are behind the visitors bench, and the wives and families of the players should be sitting where they can be protected from the rest of the home team crowd. Tickets not used by the visiting team are then sold through the box office, but there are always plenty of security right behind the home and visitors bench to protect the players from idiots.

I would take Yuma any day as a husband, but Osprey....you've taken the name of the wrong kind of bird....you should be called Chicken Little!

 

[Chaplin]

There has been over 135 posts on this subject, and for some reason no one has come up with a logical solution. At away games the visiting team is given somewhere around 200 tickets to possibly purchase. Maybe the NBA should make sure that a majority of these tickets are behind the visitors bench, and the wives and families of the players should be sitting where they can be protected from the rest of the home team crowd. Tickets not used by the visiting team are then sold through the box office, but there are always plenty of security right behind the home and visitors bench to protect the players from idiots.

I would take Yuma any day as a husband, but Osprey....you've taken the name of the wrong kind of bird....you should be called Chicken Little!

I don't think anybody really was talking about a solution, but I think yours is as good as any.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

yep, i'm a chicken because i'd want the fastest possible response with the lowest negative impact to my family

paint me a coward

 

[JCSunsfan]

let's see 40 feet from gate to row for older dude

versus

jumping over a table, climbing over rows and cutting across 3 sections for athletes

yeah - i really wonder who would have a better response time

You've got to be kidding me. Do you really believe this argument you are making? How long do you think it would take for Davis to try to communicate half way across a crowded building?

He would have to find a security guard, tell him where his wife is sitting, have that guard call or radio to another guard somewhere in his wife's vicinity, have that guard go and find her etc, etc.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I have one solution. Have an alcohol-free section where families can attend with their kids.

I have a problem taking my kids to games and have them watch people drink themselves into bleary-eyed idiocy.

I watch people drink themselves into a stupor at Diamondbacks game and then wonder how in the world do they get home. Same thing with Suns games.

That, and the price of tickets is one of the reasons I don't take my kids to games very often.

 

[boisesuns]

I have one solution. Have an alcohol-free section where families can attend with their kids.

I have a problem taking my kids to games and have them watch people drink themselves into bleary-eyed idiocy.

I watch people drink themselves into a stupor at Diamondbacks game and then wonder how in the world do they get home. Same thing with Suns games.

That, and the price of tickets is one of the reasons I don't take my kids to games very often.

I agree, or at least stop selling to the guy whos been there 6 times already. I go to the occasional Grizzlies game when they are playing the suns, or I get free tickets, and some people get pretty trashed. In the playoffs last year some guy behind us kept going for beers and fell over on my Fiance (Now wife) I moved him off and gave him the evil eye and told him to quit drinking becuase he was acting like an idiot.

 

[Yuma]

I have one solution. Have an alcohol-free section where families can attend with their kids.

I have a problem taking my kids to games and have them watch people drink themselves into bleary-eyed idiocy.

I watch people drink themselves into a stupor at Diamondbacks game and then wonder how in the world do they get home. Same thing with Suns games.

That, and the price of tickets is one of the reasons I don't take my kids to games very often.

The Charges do this, but I have a problem with the way they do it. It's a section way up in the end zone area and the nose bleeds. Thanks! If the Suns did that, it would be a sham.