AP Report: NFL received Rice tape back in April

[GuernseyCard]

Misleading because of the amount of money they make. Most crime stems from poverty.

Compare the crime rate among NFL players to non NFL people that make the same average salary.

Well, I take it that you have the stats that support your earlier harangue, right?

 

[devilalum]

So what percentage are you referring... 51%, 60% or more when you say "for the most part."

I simply do not believe it without supporting facts.

Yeah, I can't substantiate, "for the most part." Obviously its a theory I can't support with hard facts because I said "would be." I don't know how many "would be" criminals if they weren't in the NFL but I'm guessing it would be somewhere between a bunch and a lot.

Here are some other questions I can't answer with data.

How many current NFL players are active members of street gangs?
How many players fit the psychological profile of a violent criminal?
How violent do you have to be to hit a guy hard enough to paralyze him or cause him permanent brain damage?

I do however have LOTS of facts to back up this statement, "Football is a violent sport."

And its absurd to believe that it isn't played by violent people.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I'm sick of hearing about the whole stupid mess. Lock up Ray Rice, give his wife enough money to support herself, give the rest to a charity for battered women, fire Goodell and get on with it. We're not going to change how rich people operate. The king is dead, long live the king.

 

[devilalum]

Well, I take it that you have the stats that support your earlier harangue, right?

How many people that are not football players or criminals make a million dollars a year for inflicting pain on others?

Dentists don't make that much.

I love football but I am very conflicted by the hypocrisy of it all.

 

[nashman]

Whatever no one knows the whole story except for rice and his then girlfriend and now wife, she forgave him and who really knows the truth besides them. The tape and his actions look despicable, but she is the ultimate judge in the situation. No charges were pressed and he will move on with his life outside of football it is what it is...

 

[FORKTUNG]

I can't see the owners dumping Goodell because of an unnamed law enforcement person and unidentified NFL official

 

[40yearfan]

I know I am going to get flack for this, but who cares?? Who cares if he saw it or not? Who cares if he made the wrong choice? Who Cares!!! The only thing do care about is that the Justice system screwed this up and allowed nothing to happen to Rice. Yet were are all over Goodell which he had nothing to do with the beating Rice did on his wife. It amazing how the media and others hone in on the guys that had nothing to do with the crime. Rice is the dude that did this and yet I see no more news on it. Its all about Goodell. Its STUPID!! This is why I hate the news at times. The only thing they are after is the news that makes the money and not the news that means something.

Who gives a crap about if they saw it or not. WHO CARES!!!!! Move on. They ended up making the correct decision in the end. Ray Rice killed his career with one punch. Its his fault, not Goodell. He was no where near that escalator. Why not just continue to rip on Rice for what he did and drop the whole who seen what crap! Why, because its not as juicy as taking on a Commish of the billion dollar NFL.

This all reminds me of the Penn State fiasco. Joe Paterno was a great coach. Was a great leader and a coach that was going to go down in history as being the most liked, winning coach and someone else ruined it for him. All because of Sandusky being a sick and twisted pervert, it killed what Paterno become. Just sad how others peoples issues and problems get redirected to someone else that had nothing to do with the issue/crime. I know that they say they knew about it and didn't stop it, but was that officially found out before they tarnished Paternos legacy? Nope, it just made good news. Just sad and stupid!

Amen. Finally someone who calls it the way it is. This is not the NFL's business. It should be up to the teams to police their players as they are the people who are paying them. Let's put the blame where it belongs on Rice.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I can't see the owners dumping Goodell because of an unnamed law enforcement person and unidentified NFL official

There's a lot of grandstanding going on right now, I wouldn't be shocked to see Goodell step down. I know I'm in the minority but I don't believe he lied. I don't think he's that stupid. But I don't know that the NFL will want to live with this process so I wouldn't be shocked to see him retire.

This just in. The President of NOW has called for his head, announcing that "All your NFL are belong to us, Goodell you have no chance to survive, make your time.

Steve

 

[40yearfan]

There's a lot of grandstanding going on right now, I wouldn't be shocked to see Goodell step down. I know I'm in the minority but I don't believe he lied. I don't think he's that stupid. But I don't know that the NFL will want to live with this process so I wouldn't be shocked to see him retire.

This just in. The President of NOW has called for his head, announcing that "All your NFL are belong to us, Goodell you have no chance to survive, make your time.

Steve

Is that an actual quote? "All your NFL are belong to us"?

 

[ajcardfan]

Amen. Finally someone who calls it the way it is. This is not the NFL's business. It should be up to the teams to police their players as they are the people who are paying them. Let's put the blame where it belongs on Rice.

The reason why this is put into the NFL's lap is because they oversee a competition and it is supposed to be fair. One owner might have suspended Rice forever, the next one, not at all. And, owners would be tempted to not harshly punish players if they were close to winning it all. The owners and players have all agreed to what sorts of things can get punishment, with domestic violence being one of them.

Don't feel sorry for Goodell. He makes 44 million a year to make calls like this one. He blew it. and part of why people want to throw him under the bus is that he set himself up as some kind of tough sheriff who would crack down on thuggish behavior on and off the field. And the owners wanted that kind of commissioner after Tagliabue.

 

[Linderbee]

Who gives a crap about if they saw it or not. WHO CARES!!!!! Move on. They ended up making the correct decision in the end. Ray Rice killed his career with one punch. Its his fault, not Goodell. He was no where near that escalator. Why not just continue to rip on Rice for what he did and drop the whole who seen what crap! Why, because its not as juicy as taking on a Commish of the billion dollar NFL.

The point/problem is that had that tape not been leaked, then Ray Rice would NOT have killed his career with one punch, and the message sent to Rice by Goodell was, "Hey, it's ok as long as no one finds out what really happened." And THAT is deplorable. THAT'S why the media is all over Goodell. He didn't "make the right decision in the end"; he was forced into it by the tape being leaked. He HAD all the same information when he handed out a 2-game suspension; it was pressure from the world that changed the punishment.

This all reminds me of the Penn State fiasco. Joe Paterno was a great coach. Was a great leader and a coach that was going to go down in history as being the most liked, winning coach and someone else ruined it for him. All because of Sandusky being a sick and twisted pervert, it killed what Paterno become. Just sad how others peoples issues and problems get redirected to someone else that had nothing to do with the issue/crime. I know that they say they knew about it and didn't stop it, but was that officially found out before they tarnished Paternos legacy? Nope, it just made good news. Just sad and stupid!

I was a huge Penn State fan--I dreamed of sending my kids there. But the untold, uncountable number of children that were harmed by Sandusky due to Paterno keeping his mouth shut has destroyed all that Penn State was to me. Paterno was ALSO LIABLE for the kids that continued to be molested and sodomized by Sandusky.

 

[Austin Zonie]

my question is this... if someone in the NFL saw this tape... in April... BEFORE the initial suspension was handed out months later, what possible reason would they have to keep it from Goodell? There was no reason to "protect" Goodell from it seeing as he hadn't even come down with a punishment yet.



He saw it... everyone knows he saw it and he's dunzo.



Eventually, people in high places will realize that in today's day and age, you're not getting away with lying.

And further, if the NFL/Goodell saw the video prior to the initial suspension, does Ray Rice remain indefinitely suspended? No way an increased suspension will stand based solely on public opinion.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Catfish]

We don't see Michael Bidwill coming out with any statement do we? I wonder why. $$$$$$$$$$$$$'s

Goodell has made the owners much richer than ever.

No we don't, AND WE SHOULD. Maybe if more people demanded action from the owners, we would hear from him. I can't believe that Michael and Mr. B. would join with the Jerry Jones' and the Robert Irsay's of the League on supporting Goddell. There are still a few old time owners of franchises here who should stand up and be counted while Goodell and Jones count their money. There is money enough to be made for all without selling your soul to get it.

 

[Russ Smith]

No we don't, AND WE SHOULD. Maybe if more people demanded action from the owners, we would hear from him. I can't believe that Michael and Mr. B. would join with the Jerry Jones' and the Robert Irsay's of the League on supporting Goddell. There are still a few old time owners of franchises here who should stand up and be counted while Goodell and Jones count their money. There is money enough to be made for all without selling your soul to get it.

How can Bidwill come out with a straight face and blast Goodell when he just picked up Rainey a few days ago and picked up Keiser less than 2 weeks ago(not domestic abuse but still assault)?

That's why owners aren't speaking out they all know that it's not that hard to drum up a list of players THEY had on THEIR teams who weren't choir boys.

 

[daves]

Is that an actual quote? "All your NFL are belong to us"?

Know your meme!
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/all-your-base-are-belong-to-us

...dbs

 

[Cheesebeef]

No we don't, AND WE SHOULD. Maybe if more people demanded action from the owners, we would hear from him. I can't believe that Michael and Mr. B. would join with the Jerry Jones' and the Robert Irsay's of the League on supporting Goddell. There are still a few old time owners of franchises here who should stand up and be counted while Goodell and Jones count their money. There is money enough to be made for all without selling your soul to get it.

this is the same franchise that said "they'll support Washington" after he beat up his girl, took back Abraham with open arms after they found out was passed out drunk in the middle of the road, and just picked up a two-time scumbag who slapped a girl and stalked another. to pretend that the Bidwills value character at this point is pretty laughable.

reality, is NO ONE in the league actually values character.

 

[AZCrazy]

The old virtuous Cardinals won 3-4 games per year.
The hyperinflated salaries have made these guys think they're Teflon, and the value of being a winning team has made the owners not give a rip about the integrity of the players, within extreme parameters.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The old virtuous Cardinals won 3-4 games per year.
The hyperinflated salaries have made these guys think they're Teflon, and the value of being a winning team has made the owners not give a rip about the integrity of the players, within extreme parameters.

agreed... just think you can't hold the Bidwills up to a different standard then anyone else right now... only point I was making.

 

[ajcardfan]

agreed... just think you can't hold the Bidwills up to a different standard then anyone else right now... only point I was making.

There was a stretch, the last few years Bill Sr was still making the calls, that the Cards made a big deal out of not signing or drafting guys with shady backgrounds. After all the drug problems the team had in the 90s and when Tobin and McGinnis were coaches. I remember how proud they were of telling everyone they had cut Gerard Warren off their draft board because he had asked where the strip clubs were during his draft visit.

Now, once Mike took over, that hasn't been the case. Sr. would NEVER have drafted HB or Dockett.

 

[40yearfan]

Know your meme!
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/all-your-base-are-belong-to-us

...dbs

Coming from someone who is supposed to represent a national organization, it is remarkably unprofessional. Decorum is a lost art.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Coming from someone who is supposed to represent a national organization, it is remarkably unprofessional. Decorum is a lost art.

Sorry, I think I've mislead you. I borrowed the meme to try and capture the absurdity of the situation. The NOW president didn't actually use those words, they were mine. I find it beyond reason that she is expecting the NFL commissioner to solve a problem that society at large has been unable to address effectively.

Steve

 

[Hollywood]

The first thing I thought after seeing the original video was "where is the video from inside the elevator" Doesn't just about every elevator have a camera in it? Especially in casinos where there are cameras everywhere.

IF Goodall didn't see the video it is because he didn't want to see it. Who knows, maybe he asked and was told that it wasn't available but that is pretty weak.

I agree that Goodell eventually did the right thing and put a policy in place for the future. I'm not a big fan of Goodell but at least he stepped up and eventually did the right thing and took the blame for it. We will probably never know who knew what and when but I am inclined to agree with Shaggy (not on the paterno thing because he knowingly whiffed on that) but the problem is that Rice beat his girlfriend and she came to his defense. (lets not forget about that which sounds like a textbook battered wife syndrome to me) Second guessing how badly Goodell screwed up just sells ad space on espn.

 

[cardpa]

The point/problem is that had that tape not been leaked, then Ray Rice would NOT have killed his career with one punch, and the message sent to Rice by Goodell was, "Hey, it's ok as long as no one finds out what really happened." And THAT is deplorable. THAT'S why the media is all over Goodell. He didn't "make the right decision in the end"; he was forced into it by the tape being leaked. He HAD all the same information when he handed out a 2-game suspension; it was pressure from the world that changed the punishment.

I was a huge Penn State fan--I dreamed of sending my kids there. But the untold, uncountable number of children that were harmed by Sandusky due to Paterno keeping his mouth shut has destroyed all that Penn State was to me. Paterno was ALSO LIABLE for the kids that continued to be molested and sodomized by Sandusky.

I'm with you on this one. There was an article based on an interview with a long time writer on college football. The writer for many years interviewed college coaches Paterno included and his take based on all these interviews was almost without exception these head coaches at these major college programs knew everything that was going on with not only their players but their coaches. He went on to state that coaches even knew the names of the girls the players were dating, what their off hours activities were and so on. They had a pulse on everything. I still follow PSU football but not as close as before. Paterno had to know something as this went back to the 1990s. Him and the admin could have stopped it in its tracks then but did nothing. Another case of sweeping it under the rug and hope it never came out. It came back to blow up in their faces.

Now I also don't believe Goodall had no idea of what went on in the elevator. I suspect before this is all said and done more people will be implicated in the NFL front offices and or owners too. That said I do agree the owner of this crime and indeed its a crime is Rice and he seems to be getting away scot free other than losing his job. That is wrong. His wife doesn't have to press charges as we all know others have been charged with crimes even though the victim doesn't want to press charges. Rice should be sitting in a cell right now, not wandering around free.

 

[Azlen]

It's said frequently that it's not always the crime, it's the cover up. The cover up has taken down a president, a beloved football coach and may now take down an NFL commissioner. I don't know exactly why society seems to have so much more outrage over the cover up than the crime but it's nothing new.

 

[crisper57]

It's said frequently that it's not always the crime, it's the cover up. The cover up has taken down a president, a beloved football coach and may now take down an NFL commissioner. I don't know exactly why society seems to have so much more outrage over the cover up than the crime but it's nothing new.

The crime can sometimes be dismissed as a heat-of-them moment thing. Or influenced by alcohol, drugs, tempers, etc.

The cover-up can only be premeditated. It is a conscious effort to know that something wrong occurred and look the other way.