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Yep! Just like they do in MLB & the NHL.
Are the Rams Dirty or What ?
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Yep! Just like they do in MLB & the NHL.
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I tend to fall into this camp, but I think the Rams coaches encourage this behavior. I won't lie, I do sometimes wish players would exact retribution in game. It's probably better that they don't though.
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This is the nature of a Williams-coached defense. They play hard, physical, and push the envelope when it comes to hitting players (literally, if it's filled with bounty money). I'm not sure it's coincidental anymore that QBs are dropping like flies when teams play the Rams considering Williams's history. I hope the NFL takes this Joyner-Bridgewater situation seriously and at least looks into it.
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That was an interesting moment.
For those who missed it...They started taking about the Rams being dirty on the Sunday Night Football pre-game show. Rodney Harrison reached over and grabbed Tony Dungy's arm in a "Let me speak" gesture.
Then he said he had been hurt on a dirty play in 2006. He said he was laying on the ground and looked over and saw Jeff Fisher smiling and laughing on the sideline.
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No. I don't think we went after Bridgewater with the intention to have his head bounce off the field like it did, but he definitely went after him with the intent to lay the wood on him especially being that he was a QB in the open field. Joyner was not thinking about him sliding, as i said is what 99% of QB's would do, is just not smart football. You just can't think you can get a lick like that in on a QB in today's NFL and there not be repercussions.
He was intending to try to hurt him - maybe not a concussion hurt, but he definitely was trying to "push the envelope" of what is a hard nosed play and what is a dirty play.
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Bet your bottom dollar that is someone like Tolar poked someone in the eyes Three Stooges style he would have been ejected.
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I'll just say that I disagree with you since there really isn't any way to prove he intended to hurt. Judging by his comments I doubt it.
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Agreed. If he was indeed "launching" at a taller player which he claims he would have sailed right over him. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Williams still has his bounty program active.
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You don't think he would lie about that, do you?
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NFLN slobbered all over the classy way he addressed it after the game as well. Such crap. They shoulda said, he handled it well, now take your suspension like a man, and dont play the game so recklessly anymore.
Theres no doubt he was trying to take his head off. Sometimes, after the fact, you realize you effed up and took it too far, causing injury.
Doesnt absolve you from the act.
The appropriate and more truthful response would have been "I was not trying to injure him, but I definitely made a bad football play going after a QB in a foot first slide, against the rules. Its terrible he got injured because of my bad play and I will accept the consequences.
Why can't humans accept responsibility for their actions???
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Bull. Of course you can prove it. He had to physically TRY to go that low to hit Bridgewater. If he was simply instinctively trying to launch himself at the QB, he would have gone too high to make that kind of contact. That he squatted as Bridgewater began the slide, THEN launched low, gives us video evidence to completely refute his lying interview. What a scumbag.
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Bottom line is the Rams aren't all that good so they have to play dirty to have a chance. I'm glad they lost to stop the un-deserved hype they have been receiving for beating 2 really bad teams in the Browns and 49ers.
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Keep him away from Welker when he gets back.
You could have bet the house that the Rams were going to lose this game. Always 8-8
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Moment of contact. Intent to injure or spinning away to lessen the blow?
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Except when they're 2-14!
And except this time:
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A photo over actual video? Come on dude.
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It's the moment of contact so it shows that Joyner did not blast him with a forearm or his helmet.
You people respond like I'm trying to convince you of something. It's a legitimate question. If Joyner wanted to hurt Bridgewater, he could have squared up, lowered his head and plowed through Bridgewater. What it looks like is that Joyner pulled his arm in and turned away from Bridgewater, albeit too late. It's even more evident in the video. Joyner made a bad choice but I don't believe he intended to hurt Bridgewater.
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Im tired of the "no intent to injure" argument. Playing the game recklessly, and willfully violating the rules begets intent to injure, IMO. Was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO obvious that the QB was foot first slide, which by the rules makes him prone. You cant even brethe on him at this point. SOMetimes you can argue speed of the game. No way. Not this time. WAAAAAY too much time for the defender to crouch down, get in a lowered position, and by his own words "launch" at Bridgewater.
Was he trying to injure? Probably not. Id bet about 95% of plays like this you could say that. But he was trying to blow him the eff up by playing recklessly and outside the rules. You have to be held accountable for that, and for sportscasters to put him on a pedestal for the way he handled himself postgame is a GD joke. Everyone and their mothers should be using this video as an example of how NOT to play this game, and Joyner should be suspended.
Refs almost NEVER call the hits on QBs that result from feet first slides. Why is that???
Was he trying to injure? Probably not. Id bet about 95% of plays like this you could say that. But he was trying to blow him the eff up by playing recklessly and outside the rules. You have to be held accountable for that, and for sportscasters to put him on a pedestal for the way he handled himself postgame is a GD joke. Everyone and their mothers should be using this video as an example of how NOT to play this game, and Joyner should be suspended.
Refs almost NEVER call the hits on QBs that result from feet first slides. Why is that???
Agree with much of what you're saying. But I still believe defenders are in a no-win in today's NFL. I can't stand the Rams or Jeff Fisher, but defenses can't win today.
Not long ago a QB would rarely dream of escaping the pocket and running (aside from freaks like Fran Tarkenton)--a smart football play would be to throw it in the dirt or away. Guys used to be afraid of catching it over the middle because they'd get clobbered. There are many other examples.
I'm not a fan of the wussification of the NFL. Back then when you made those plays on offense it meant something, now you have chump QBs running for first downs and average WRs catching it over the middle on a pick play and taking it to the house. That isn't special, that's the norm. Used to be the ultimate gladiator sport and I wish it had stayed that way.
Sunday is a good example, Ndamukong Suh showed awareness and exemplified what the NFL has become. He had Tyrod Taylor in his grasp for several seconds, no whistle, Taylor throws it away, while down in the grass, should have been a sack. Suh goes to the ref and says, "You gotta call that dead, or I'm gonna slam the **** out of him next time." Next play Taylor throws a touchdown.
Suh is a throwback to better NFL days IMO. Can't play his game because now it's just PattyCake football. Bunch of sissies and whiners and entitled kids. Amongst them is a grown ass man wanting to wreak havoc but can't, even when he has a QB in his grasp and under control. He knows his own rep, and the current NFL, so instead of falling on him with all his weight or slinging him 5 yards with 1 arm like he easily could have, he just holds on, waiting for a whistle like a wuss. Sad.
The Rams are dirty, obviously, but that isn't the problem, the problem is that they get away with it while others don't.
