Arizona Basketball 2016-2017 Season

[Russ Smith]

4. I really hope Trier was sick. The last four minutes and his first half defense were absolutely pathetic.

I bet he was you could see him coughing and during one time out he clearly sneezed.

 

[DWKB]

I know how you all feel cause I've been there, but it would be hard to find a coach as good as Miller. Especially hard if you fire him with his resume. Who would you even target?

 

[Russ Smith]

I know how you all feel cause I've been there, but it would be hard to find a coach as good as Miller. Especially hard if you fire him with his resume. Who would you even target?

I don't think they'll fire him they need an assistant who coaches offense.

Miller can run good sets, screens, he's good on inbounds plays, but his basic offense is too controlling and you end up with all those iso plays.

As the Xavier kid said, we couldn't believe how much they went 1 on 3, it was too easy to guard.

 

[GatorAZ]

I know how you all feel cause I've been there, but it would be hard to find a coach as good as Miller. Especially hard if you fire him with his resume. Who would you even target?

Pastner!


















j/k

If Miller ever takes another job I'd want Holtmann or Mack. I guess the silver lining is with so many tournament dissapointments a blue blood would steer clear should UNC come calling...

If UCLA beats Kentucky and Butler upsets UNC then all five teams who beat Arizona will be in the Elite 8.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I know how you all feel cause I've been there, but it would be hard to find a coach as good as Miller. Especially hard if you fire him with his resume. Who would you even target?

I don't think he should be fired, but he has to do something to create some kind of offensive system.

@MaoTosiFanClub brought up the fact that he's 8 points away from being a HOF coach... but just saying that ignores the fact that he's been continually losing games as a higher seed or as a favorite in the game that are continually close at the end and the offense gets nothing in crunch time. That inability to repeatedly fail sealing the deal is a direct indictment of his offensive system, or lack thereof, IMO. And that needs to changed if this team is ever going to actually compete for a title.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I don't think he should be fired, but he has to do something to create some kind of offensive system.

@MaoTosiFanClub brought up the fact that he's 8 points away from being a HOF coach... but just saying that ignores the fact that he's been continually losing games as a higher seed or as a favorite in the game that are continually close at the end and the offense gets nothing in crunch time. That inability to repeatedly fail sealing the deal is a direct indictment of his offensive system, or lack thereof, IMO. And that needs to changed if this team is ever going to actually compete for a title.

His offensive system looked quite good last night except the players were wearing blue.

Miller needs to recruit better offensive players. The McConnell teams were defensive monsters but didn't have any great shooters. This team had shoddy PG play. It's the jimmy and joe's not x's and o's.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I know how you all feel cause I've been there, but it would be hard to find a coach as good as Miller. Especially hard if you fire him with his resume. Who would you even target?

I wouldn't fire him. But I don't expect good offense unless he hires a good offensive assistant with a system.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

His offensive system looked quite good last night except the players were wearing blue.

Miller needs to recruit better offensive players. The McConnell teams were defensive monsters but didn't have any great shooters. This team had shoddy PG play. It's the jimmy and joe's not x's and o's.

Man do I disagree with your assessment. Those two teams were NOT running the same offensive system down the stretch. Go back and watch it. Xavier was clearly running a very effective weave resulting time and again in point blank shots or open 3s. Arizona players were all stationary. It wasn't just Trier. No one moved off the ball. You can't tell me they were all just disregarding the offense. It WAS the offense. Pass it around the perimeter and then one person try to make a play at the or the shot clock. That was NOT the same offense.

 

[ajcardfan]

I don't think he should be fired, but he has to do something to create some kind of offensive system.

@MaoTosiFanClub brought up the fact that he's 8 points away from being a HOF coach... but just saying that ignores the fact that he's been continually losing games as a higher seed or as a favorite in the game that are continually close at the end and the offense gets nothing in crunch time. That inability to repeatedly fail sealing the deal is a direct indictment of his offensive system, or lack thereof, IMO. And that needs to changed if this team is ever going to actually compete for a title.

What is the "Sean Miller Offense"?

serious question, I don't know what it really is other than kind of generic plays run with superior talent.

 

[Russ Smith]

His offensive system looked quite good last night except the players were wearing blue.

Miller needs to recruit better offensive players. The McConnell teams were defensive monsters but didn't have any great shooters. This team had shoddy PG play. It's the jimmy and joe's not x's and o's.

While I agree with that, who had the better talent last night Miller or Mack? That game was won by coaching. Miller had the jimmy and joes.

Millers' kryptonite seems to be zone defenses, I think part of that is he doesn't play zone so UA doesn't practice much against zones and when they see a good zone, they often struggle. His "gimmick" against zones is to screen the zone, which can be effective but Xavier was playing a semi matchup zone and screening was far less effective than normal.

I agree with the idea if he keeps at his current level he's going to eventually crack through and get to the FF, I'm not sure he'll win an NC without improving the offense though. I agree with the idea defenses don't go into slumps offenses do, but virtually every year there's going to be a game where you just have to make

Man do I disagree with your assessment. Those two teams were NOT running the same offensive system down the stretch. Go back and watch it. Xavier was clearly running a very effective weave resulting time and again in point blank shots or open 3s. Arizona players were all stationary. It wasn't just Trier. No one moved off the ball. You can't tell me they were all just disregarding the offense. It WAS the offense. Pass it around the perimeter and then one person try to make a play at the or the shot clock. That was NOT the same offense.

agreed all that cutting off the high post stuff that's not what Miller runs at all.


I agree with Mao the absence of a really good PG is a problem but the main issue was IMO lack of ball movement.

Terrific defensive coach, but it just seems like his coaching philosophy is be tougher than the other team and sometimes that's not enough.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Most offenses are going to look disjointed with mediocre or worse PG play. My biggest issue with Miller's system is his refusal to play small. Lauri should have gotten 10 mins a game at the 5 with Alkins at the 4. Would've killed teams.

 

[slinslin]

Sean Miller of course should not be fired. A Pac 12 title and a Sweet 16 is not a bad season.

 

[Russ Smith]

Most offenses are going to look disjointed with mediocre or worse PG play. My biggest issue with Miller's system is his refusal to play small. Lauri should have gotten 10 mins a game at the 5 with Alkins at the 4. Would've killed teams.

interestingly enough that was apparently his plan for Josh Jackson, play him at the 4, Markkanen at the 5. Jackson has been terrific at the 4 for Kansas.

I'm a big Alkins fan and he's plenty strong but I don't know if he's big enough to play the 4 consistently. But as a "death lineup" it could certainly have worked off and on.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No stat is a greater indictment of Miller's coaching failure than this:

Markenaan's last fg attempt came at 11:22

 

[Russ Smith]

FWIW someone on BRO said that Scheer is saying Trier plans on coming back next year.

 

[GatorAZ]

FWIW someone on BRO said that Scheer is saying Trier plans on coming back next year.

If he doesn't get a first rd grade. You obviously have to be thrilled if he returns but he has to buy into defense and team ball.

PJC
Trier
Alkins
Ayton
Comanche

 

[Russ Smith]

If he doesn't get a first rd grade. You obviously have to be thrilled if he returns but he has to buy into defense and team ball.

PJC
Trier
Alkins
Ayton
Comanche

I've seen him projected first round a few times recently but we'll see I guess.

I love Alkins, Ayton I guess I'll believe it when he suits up, I've seen suggestions he's absolutely going to qualify but then I've seen other suggestions that he's still open to not going to school. I know he said he promised his mom.

I guess Duval is the key, get him and you can be REALLY good.

 

[GatorAZ]

I've seen him projected first round a few times recently but we'll see I guess.

I love Alkins, Ayton I guess I'll believe it when he suits up, I've seen suggestions he's absolutely going to qualify but then I've seen other suggestions that he's still open to not going to school. I know he said he promised his mom.

I guess Duval is the key, get him and you can be REALLY good.

I've kinda moved on from Duval. Hard to imagine him coming here after watching Frank Mason dominate for Kansas. Jayhawks or Blue Devils.

If Ayton is as good as mock drafts suggest Arizona will be in contention. Comanche and Rawle have to develop into all-conference players as well... If they bow out early again I don't really know what the next step is.

 

[Cheesebeef]

His offensive system looked quite good last night except the players were wearing blue.

Miller needs to recruit better offensive players. The McConnell teams were defensive monsters but didn't have any great shooters. This team had shoddy PG play. It's the jimmy and joe's not x's and o's.

Man... his teams consistently have better jimmy's and joe's than their opponents they've lost to in the tourney including last night's game. Arguing otherwise feels a little homerific... especially considering the praise he always gets for being s master recruiter.

Can't have it both ways.

 

[GatorAZ]

Man... his teams consistently have better jimmy's and joe's than their opponents they've lost to in the tourney including last night's game. Arguing otherwise feels a little homerific... especially considering the praise he always gets for being s master recruiter.

Can't have it both ways.

Talent doesn't always prevail unless it's John Wooden's Bruins.

In the last 5 years Coach K has lost in the first weekend to a 14 and 15 seed plus this year in the 2nd rd with 8 McDonald's all-Americans. It's why the NCAA tournament is both great and excruciating.

This loss to his ex-team had to be humbling and I hadn't heard him like that in the press conference afterward. Time to shake up the staff Sean.

 

[TJ]

FWIW someone on BRO said that Scheer is saying Trier plans on coming back next year.

***If Trier doesn't get a first-round grade in the draft.

He may have snuck in with some of his play the past two weeks, but this draft is a monster, and the PED situation, albeit complete bulls**t, might have teams a little gunshy. A year removed from it might help minimize the stigma.

As of today (going/staying):

Simmons - 100/0
Markk - 90/10
Trier - 50/50
Alkins - 40/60

 

[TJ]

Most offenses are going to look disjointed with mediocre or worse PG play. My biggest issue with Miller's system is his refusal to play small. Lauri should have gotten 10 mins a game at the 5 with Alkins at the 4. Would've killed teams.

That lineup would also get rebounded on pretty consistently and rarely get any second chance points. Last night with our awful outside shooting, we would've gotten beat by much worse.

Give and take.

 

[TJ]

Man... his teams consistently have better jimmy's and joe's than their opponents they've lost to in the tourney including last night's game. Arguing otherwise feels a little homerific... especially considering the praise he always gets for being s master recruiter.

Can't have it both ways.

If the foul on Nick Johnson is called as he's driving, Miller has a final four

If Horne's last second shot is an inch closer, Miller has a final four.

If Wisconsin doesn't go unconscious from three, Miller has a final four.

Honestly, this is the first year in which I can say Miller legitimately lost the game in the tournament because he was unprepared or outcoached. It's not homerific to say that. Literally, every national analyst has come to Miller's defense because the fact of the matter is Miller can coach and he's regarded as one of the best in college basketball today. It's not a matter of "if", but "when" for CSM.

 

[GatorAZ]

UCLA could lose their top-4 scorers. So there's that...

Oregon could lose Brooks to the draft plus Boucher/Ennis will be done. I'd still give Oregon the early edge unless there's some surprising returnees to AZ/UCLA.

 

[TJ]

UCLA could lose their top-4 scorers. So there's that...

Oregon could lose Brooks to the draft plus Boucher/Ennis will be done. I'd still give Oregon the early edge unless there's some surprising returnees to AZ/UCLA.

Oregon could also lose Dorsey.

The PAC is going to be down next season. Arizona will still win 15-16 games and likely the conference.