Arizona Cardinals GM Steve Keim cited for DUI on July 4

[Dback Jon]

it's definitely what you're implying.

The security thing isn't an issue.

TWO DUIs is.

There are multiple posters who keyed on that are an indictment of Keim

 

[Cheesebeef]

Again, not saying that Keim shoudn't recieve some punishment, depending on circumstances. But the wild speculation based on an error-filled police report ratcheted up the volume on the lynch mob here.



And to compare this to politics is ridiculous.

why? If one person like Keim deserves due process, why doesn't everyone else? You call GOP traitors and the like simply based on "sources say" type reports ALL THE TIME. And yet when it's a Democrat, you always call for due process. It's the same exact thing. And it's a pattern. An ugly one at that.

 

[AZ Native]

WTF are you talking about? I think he should be fire because he all but admitted he was driving drunk in his apology and he's already driven drunk and gotten busted for it before.

I said NOTHING about pulling his constitutional rights. THERE ARE NO CONSTISTUTIONAL RIGHTS TO BEING AN NFL GM.

Seriously... the above is such distortion of what I said and have been talking about that's it's flat out insulting to even continue this conversation.

DO NOT LIE/DISTORT/PROJECT BS INTO MY ARGUMENT BECAUSE YOUR ARGUMENT SUCKS.



Again... this has NOTHING TO DO WITH COURT. Dude admitted making a mistake here (if that mistake WASN'T driving drunk I'd LOVE to hear what he was apologizing for)... a MASSIVE mistake that he's already gotten busted for previously in his life. Doing it twice says to me he's done it A LOT. I'm not a juror... the Cardinals aren't the U.S. Government. He doesn't have a constitutional right to his job. He's a piece of garbage who drives drunk and puts other people lives in danger. That kind of person is not a leader of men and our GM needs to be exactly that.

WOW! He is due his day in court. Let's see how it plays out. You are acting like the judge jury and executioner. It has everything to do with court. Let them decide, your opinion does not make him guilty. If he is guilty, it will come out.

 

[BillsCarnage]

here's what we do know. He's admitted publicly to making a mistake here. HIS WORDS. That's good enough for me to consider him guilty once. And he already got a previous DUI. That makes him guilty twice.

So would you say you have zero tolerance for... DUI's??

 

[Cheesebeef]

So he admitted making a mistake and all his constitutional rights are gone because you say so. WOW! Let's just see how this all plays out as his constitutional rights will come into play. He may be guilty as hell, but I will reserve my judgement until all the facts are in and he is given due process. Have you never served on a jury?

if this isn't an admission of guilt I don't know what is:

"I truly regret my incredibly poor judgment and inexcusable actions. Everyone associated with the NFL and its teams is held to a high standard of behavior and I obviously failed to meet that. I sincerely apologize to our organization and its fans as well as to my family. I accept full responsibility for my actions and hold myself completely accountable. Moving forward, I will take the steps to ensure that I never put myself or the Cardinals in this type of situation again."

To say that we're flying off the handle to call for firing when a guy says the above after getting pulled over for driving drunk while already having a previous DUI CONVICTION on his rap sheet is ludicrous. That's not a leader of men... and again, has NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So would you say you have zero tolerance for... DUI's??

Actually... no. I think some solid punishment should be dolled out for a guy's first offense... a suspension, if you will. Maybe it was his first time. People DO make mistakes.

But when people double down on that mistake... one that can take lives and destroy families, they obviously need harsher punishments to change their actions.

 

[Cheesebeef]

WOW! He is due his day in court. Let's see how it plays out. You are acting like the judge jury and executioner. It has everything to do with court. Let them decide, your opinion does not make him guilty. If he is guilty, it will come out.

You're right... HIS OPINION MAKES HIM GUILTY.

"I truly regret my incredibly poor judgment and inexcusable actions. Everyone associated with the NFL and its teams is held to a high standard of behavior and I obviously failed to meet that. I sincerely apologize to our organization and its fans as well as to my family. I accept full responsibility for my actions and hold myself completely accountable. Moving forward, I will take the steps to ensure that I never put myself or the Cardinals in this type of situation again."

Those are HIS WORDS.

Jesus Christ... first you just lie about what I said, then continue to ignore that and ignore the above.

What in your opinion do you think he's talking about with POOR JUDGEMENTS AND INEXCUSABLE ACTIONS? Do you think he's talking about making too much of a wide turn and almost hitting the curb? Or could he be referring to something else?

 

[BillsCarnage]

Some of the bad driving moments may have been compounded by seeing the police. It gets the adrenaline flowing.

People texting and driving, drive worse than Keim was.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

What we were both referring to is the hysteria of him ID'ing himself as wrongly and name dropping a dead cop - neither were true

Good lord. Those were tertiary elements of all this. The “hysteria” is his endangering others. Getting to see the footage he was driving in a street with multiple cars and drifting (almost into one of the cars). I think it appropriate for people to be pissed at his poor judgment and actions. But keep on defending him. Good look.

 

[Mainstreet]

If anyone hasn't read the newest article they should.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...-dui-arrest-chandler-police-report/772276002/

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

WTF are you talking about? I think he should be fire because he all but admitted he was driving drunk in his apology and he's already driven drunk and gotten busted for it before.

I said NOTHING about pulling his constitutional rights. THERE ARE NO CONSTISTUTIONAL RIGHTS TO BEING AN NFL GM.

Seriously... the above is such distortion of what I said and have been talking about that's it's flat out insulting to even continue this conversation.

DO NOT LIE/DISTORT/PROJECT BS INTO MY ARGUMENT BECAUSE YOUR ARGUMENT SUCKS.



Again... this has NOTHING TO DO WITH COURT. Dude admitted making a mistake here (if that mistake WASN'T driving drunk I'd LOVE to hear what he was apologizing for)... a MASSIVE mistake that he's already gotten busted for previously in his life. Doing it twice says to me he's done it A LOT. I'm not a juror... the Cardinals aren't the U.S. Government. He doesn't have a constitutional right to his job. He's a piece of garbage who drives drunk and puts other people lives in danger. That kind of person is not a leader of men and our GM needs to be exactly that.

I won’t go so far as to call him a piece of garbage, but yeah the whole “constitutional rights!” thing is a total red herring.

 

[Mainstreet]

People texting and driving, drive worse than Keim was.

I was trying to point out that some of the driving errors may have caused by being under police surveillance. People get very nervous in these type situations.

I agree texting creates some of the worst drivers on the road because they drive like that a lot of the time.

 

[GatorAZ]

People texting and driving, drive worse than Keim was.

Or Phoenix drivers in general who for some reason don’t know how to drive correctly.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

WOW! He is due his day in court. Let's see how it plays out. You are acting like the judge jury and executioner. It has everything to do with court. Let them decide, your opinion does not make him guilty. If he is guilty, it will come out.

Legally, yes. But there’s also something called the court of public opinion and your employers right to action. Neither are dependent upon what actually occurs in court. And to think otherwise is ignoring the entirety of human existence.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Here's the video from the arresting officer.

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[BillsCarnage]

If anyone hasn't read the newest article they should.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...-dui-arrest-chandler-police-report/772276002/

Notice how that article states "suspicion of DUI"?

After watching the arresting officers video, he may have been impaired, but not bumbling drunk like some suggest. And, I still think he was smart enough to try to sober up a bit by refusing the breath test. I won't be surprised if he skates away from this. Maybe a slap on the wrist.

 

[AZ Native]

Legally, yes. But there’s also something called the court of public opinion and your employers right to action. Neither are dependent upon what actually occurs in court. And to think otherwise is ignoring the entirety of human existence.

Well, my understanding is that you are an attorney so as a common citizen I cannot argue law with you. But isn't this somewhat like the Kap case where he is free to express his personal opinion based on 1st amendment rights, yet he does it while he is being paid by his employer to be part of the "team"? He could do whatever he wanted in private life but not while being paid by his employer and their right to action. I won't even mention "court of public opinion" as you know where that will end up. I am just saying there have been falsehoods about the case already and I will base my decision after all the facts are presented and he has had his day in court. I personally don't know enough facts to determine guilt, and even then, that is not my decision.

 

[TJ]

Or Phoenix drivers in general who for some reason don’t know how to drive correctly.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with choosing your own speed limit.

 

[Mainstreet]

I do think the police should change up their language a bit in police reports. Some of the language is so predictable.

".... eyes were bloodshot, his speech slurred and his breath smelled of alcohol..."

And the attorney is right.

"Arizona is a place, especially the metro Phoenix area, where anybody can get a DUI," said Russ Richelsoph, a Tempe-based attorney who has been defending DUI cases for 19 years. "You can be a police officer, you can be a mayor. You can be a doctor or a lawyer. It really doesn't seem to matter if you're famous or well connected, they're going to treat you the same."

Another reason not to answer leading questions.

"Admitting he's a three, a prosecutor will use that as evidence that he is admitting impairment," Richelsoph said. "The problem is, when you answer that way — the way that Arizona DUI law reads — if you're impaired to the slightest degree by alcohol or another substance, that's DUI."

https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...-dui-arrest-chandler-police-report/772276002/

 

[Mainstreet]

Notice how that article states "suspicion of DUI"?

After watching the arresting officers video, he may have been impaired, but not bumbling drunk like some suggest. And, I still think he was smart enough to try to sober up a bit by refusing the breath test. I won't be surprised if he skates away from this. Maybe a slap on the wrist.

I believe in due process so I think the legal system should run it's course.

I'm guessing a lot people could be charged with DUI and not even know it or thought about it.


https://www.azdot.gov/motor-vehicles/driver-services/driver-improvement/dui

 

[GatorAZ]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with choosing your own speed limit.

It’s more the basic stuff that grinds my gears. People not realizing they can go right on a red. People that think it’s okay to go left in an intersection 2-3 seconds after yellow turns red. Generally people that don’t understand how to merge and cut across 3 lanes at once. I don’t have road rage but I can understand how people lose it.

 

[AZfaninMN]

This is slightly off topic. This is the first body cam video I’ve seen, even though they’ve been used for a while now. Hopefully by cops wearing these it will make officers jobs easier and safer. The Fernando Castile case here in Minnesota was huge and caused danger for many officers and commuters, such as my wife and myself. If the officer had one on, it would have prevented protests and shootings across MN that followed. The officer would have been proved to be innocent or guilty from his camera.

Now with the topic at hand, Keim himself admitted that he had 2 beers on the cop cam only an hour before being pulled over. He made the wrong choice to drive after he had a couple. I think he’ll be suspended by the NFL, but I think the cardinals won’t fire him.

 

[Mainstreet]

It’s more the basic stuff that grinds my gears. People not realizing they can go right on a red. People that think it’s okay to go left in an intersection 2-3 seconds after yellow turns red. Generally people that don’t understand how to merge and cut across 3 lanes at once. I don’t have road rage but I can understand how people lose it.

One of my favorites, drivers speeding up in 75MPH or so in passing lanes after going 40 in 55MPH zones.

Then they slow down again after the passing lanes end.

 

[WisconsinCard]

This is slightly off topic. This is the first body cam video I’ve seen, even though they’ve been used for a while now. Hopefully by cops wearing these it will make officers jobs easier and safer. The Fernando Castile case here in Minnesota was huge and caused danger for many officers and commuters, such as my wife and myself. If the officer had one on, it would have prevented protests and shootings across MN that followed. The officer would have been proved to be innocent or guilty from his camera.

Now with the topic at hand, Keim himself admitted that he had 2 beers on the cop cam only an hour before being pulled over. He made the wrong choice to drive after he had a couple. I think he’ll be suspended by the NFL, but I think the cardinals won’t fire him.

I think that is what he is apologizing for too. He put the team, the league, and himself in a bad situation, I don't think by apologizing he was admitting guilt.

 

[gmabel830]

#freekeim

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