Arizona Cardinals GM Steve Keim cited for DUI on July 4

[NJCardFan]

Ok, I'm curious about this... Is the reason most people would be fired is because of the jail time? If one has to spend X number of days in jail they obviously can't do their job. Depending on their position this could have quite an impact on the business.

There's other types of crimes that can be committed with a result of a fine and/or community service that don't result in a loss of job. So what is it about a DUI specifically that requires or results termination?

I get speeding or driving tickets with CDL since those can have a direct impact on your job function, but i've always been curious with DUIs

There are jobs within the department that might require one to drive. Trips, perimeter patrol, etc. not to mention being able to get to work. Also, being a part of the law enforcement community you're expected to not only uphold the law but to follow it as well.

But I have a question:

What's worse: Drinking 2 beers to the point where you have a BAC of .08 or slightly higher or, say, getting caught doing 50 in a 35? Or 75 in a 65?

 

[82CardsGrad]

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[NJCardFan]

Same with excessive speeding, or any distracted driving. I guess it is great to live in such a black and white world, where in your mind everyone that isn't perfect is either executed or unemployed.

So in your eyes no one should be disciplined for breaking the law? There should be no standards? Keim works in a league where players are disciplined, harshly, for the same offense so shouldn't he be held to the same standard?

 

[Dback Jon]

So in your eyes no one should be disciplined for breaking the law? There should be no standards? Keim works in a league where players are disciplined, harshly, for the same offense so shouldn't he be held to the same standard?

Did I say that? No

 

[TJ]

It’s more the basic stuff that grinds my gears. People not realizing they can go right on a red. People that think it’s okay to go left in an intersection 2-3 seconds after yellow turns red. Generally people that don’t understand how to merge and cut across 3 lanes at once. I don’t have road rage but I can understand how people lose it.

I’ll take those struggles any day over sitting in the 405 for an hour only to go 10 miles. That’s the poo that gives people road rage here. Honestly, I miss driving in AZ.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Well, my understanding is that you are an attorney so as a common citizen I cannot argue law with you. But isn't this somewhat like the Kap case where he is free to express his personal opinion based on 1st amendment rights, yet he does it while he is being paid by his employer to be part of the "team"? He could do whatever he wanted in private life but not while being paid by his employer and their right to action. I won't even mention "court of public opinion" as you know where that will end up. I am just saying there have been falsehoods about the case already and I will base my decision after all the facts are presented and he has had his day in court. I personally don't know enough facts to determine guilt, and even then, that is not my decision.

Yes nfl teams have a right to cut kap or not hire him. And that’s what’s happening. Soooo I’m not sure I get your point. However, if they’re colluding to keep him out of the league that may encroach on his legal rights. You can base your decision on the legalities, but the constitution and the court system has zero bearing on anyone else expressing their thoughts on this matter.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think that is what he is apologizing for too. He put the team, the league, and himself in a bad situation, I don't think by apologizing he was admitting guilt.

Uh if he didn’t do anything wrong how could he place the team, the league, and himself in a bad situation. That was 100% an admission of guilt. Your logic doesn’t hold.

 

[Shane]

https://www.policeone.com/bizarre/a...e-only-drank-while-stopped-at-traffic-lights/

Steve is that you haha

 

[Sandan]

Apparently Keim refused to take all field sobriety tests, told cops he was the head of security for the cards, then had his blood drawn back at the station....said he had 2 beers while eating a pizza over 1-2 hours...hmmm doubt that stevie

I would NEVER agree to a field sobriety test and I am pretty adamant about how bad DUI is

Breath or blood test fine, some cops subjective opinion NO WAY IN HELL if I can avoid it

 

[Cheesebeef]

Uh if he didn’t do anything wrong how could he place the team, the league, and himself in a bad situation. That was 100% an admission of guilt. Your logic doesn’t hold.

if I was a betting man, all of the people here defending Keim were probably calling us non-fans when we bashed Rod Graves and his "belly of the beast" Free Agency flop of 2003. Disappointing but not surprising, especially considering how many people here defended Washington for domestic abuse also. Seems like if you bleed Cardinals red, you can make others actually do the same (or at least put others in danger of bleeding) with impunity.

Being apologists for domestic abusers or two-time DUI douches is ugly tribalism.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Uh if he didn’t do anything wrong how could he place the team, the league, and himself in a bad situation. That was 100% an admission of guilt. Your logic doesn’t hold.

He drank,he drove, he got arrested. We'll see if he is convicted. then we'll see what or what doesn't "hold". That's how, I've been arrested for DUI, guess what I don't drink. They got me to the station and I blew zeros. So forgive me if I don't follow your jump to the assumption that he is guilty routine. It happens.

 

[WisconsinCard]

if I was a betting man, all of the people here defending Keim were probably calling us non-fans when we bashed Rod Graves and his "belly of the beast" Free Agency flop of 2003. Disappointing but not surprising, especially considering how many people here defended Washington for domestic abuse also. Seems like if you bleed Cardinals red, you can make others actually do the same (or at least put others in danger of bleeding) with impunity.

Being apologists for domestic abusers or two-time DUI douches is ugly tribalism.

I hope I'm not included in this. I am just not convicting the dude until all the facts are out. Was he drinking and driving absolutely he was, but was he drunk driving...I don't know. So until he is convicted I say he is not a two-time DUI dude. I'm sure you've had your moments when you should not have been behind the wheel. I know I have and I have pretty much been a nondrinker for close to 30 years. I probably have 3 or 4 drinks a year.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I hope I'm not included in this. I am just not convicting the dude until all the facts are out. Was he drinking and driving absolutely he was, but was he drunk driving...I don't know. So until he is convicted I say he is not a two-time DUI dude. I'm sure you've had your moments when you should not have been behind the wheel. I know I have and I have pretty much been a nondrinker for close to 30 years. I probably have 3 or 4 drinks a year.

You're missing the point... While technically, it could matter whether or not he is actually convicted, the reality is that he 100% put a very BAD face on his employer. He 100% made a very STUPID decision, regardless of a conviction or not. His position comes with immense responsibility. Hell, in his role, he is often charged with being a key decision-make regarding punishment for players who run into trouble with the law, or otherwise make decisions that place the team in an unfavorable light.
He compromised his ability to play that role. And he compromised the image of the team... And if he is proven to be guilty and then convicted, the team should deal with him in the harshest way possible. Not fire him. But a massive fine and leave without pay at minimum...

 

[Willie D]

I agree, but then part of me says 22 years is a long time...

You just resealed yourself a huge idiot and hypocrite. Nice job of making yourself look stupid.

 

[Willie D]

The number of times one is caught also doesn’t multiply the danger of each individual act.

You're wrong. It does. DUI convictions carry probation (unsupervised). If you cop another one, you are deemed a repeat offender, and you will be bumped up to the next phase of penalties.

 

[WisconsinCard]

You're missing the point... While technically, it could matter whether or not he is actually convicted, the reality is that he 100% put a very BAD face on his employer. He 100% made a very STUPID decision, regardless of a conviction or not. His position comes with immense responsibility. Hell, in his role, he is often charged with being a key decision-make regarding punishment for players who run into trouble with the law, or otherwise make decisions that place the team in an unfavorable light.
He compromised his ability to play that role. And he compromised the image of the team... And if he is proven to be guilty and then convicted, the team should deal with him in the harshest way possible. Not fire him. But a massive fine and leave without pay at minimum...

I agree with you 100%. This got started because I said him apologizing IMO was not necessarily an admission of guilt. It could be that he was apologizing for exactly what you just wrote although you put it much better than I did.

 

[JerkFace]

if I was a betting man, all of the people here defending Keim were probably calling us non-fans when we bashed Rod Graves and his "belly of the beast" Free Agency flop of 2003. Disappointing but not surprising, especially considering how many people here defended Washington for domestic abuse also. Seems like if you bleed Cardinals red, you can make others actually do the same (or at least put others in danger of bleeding) with impunity.

Being apologists for domestic abusers or two-time DUI douches is ugly tribalism.

I somewhat agree with this but I also will state that most of the people calling for Keim to be fired were not a Keim fans before the incident. It seems like peoples view of Keim before this incident drives how people view the incident (on both sides).

 

[Buckybird]

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Man it sure doesn’t appear to me Keim is hammered or very tipsy.

 

[Solar7]

Did threads get merged? Did I miss something?

For all of the vitriol here, Keim was barely doing anything wrong, was cooperative and pleasant, and didn't pound his fist or demand he be treated special. A LOT of stones thrown in glass houses here, again - unless I walked into a merged thread, since I knew this was locked today at some point before I got home.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Exactly. Where's the outrage over speeding? Excess speed is the leading cause of automobile deaths and people consciously speed everyday. I'm sure all the people clamoring for Keim's job have never gone above the speed limit or been cited for speeding.

How about this fool? He’s in the Arizona House of Representatives.

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[Cheesebeef]

Man it sure doesn’t appear to me Keim is hammered or very tipsy.

then why didn't he just take a breathalyzer?

 

[Cheesebeef]

I somewhat agree with this but I also will state that most of the people calling for Keim to be fired were not a Keim fans before the incident. It seems like peoples view of Keim before this incident drives how people view the incident (on both sides).

really? I know Ouchie and I were big fans in the heyday, questioned him during a couple questionable years then went gaga over him when he pulled off the The Rosen One. Can't speak for others on that though.

 

[Solar7]

then why didn't he just take a breathalyzer?

Because legally it's one of the stupidest things you can do?

Blowing a .081 will solidify DUI, but getting your blood tested at .079 is legally defensible. Simple as that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Did threads get merged? Did I miss something?

For all of the vitriol here, Keim was barely doing anything wrong, was cooperative and pleasant, and didn't pound his fist or demand he be treated special. A LOT of stones thrown in glass houses here, again - unless I walked into a merged thread, since I knew this was locked today at some point before I got home.

My vitriol didn't start until I heard about the first DUI conviction. Until then, all I was saying was this was a bad look. But the second I heard this wasn't his first offense, you're damn right I started in on him and for good reason. You get one of those and DON'T change your behavior and put yourself and other's lives at risk and you're a piece of crap who only cares about yourself as far as I'm concerned... and apparently don't care much about yourself either. And you sure as hell can't be a leader of men after two of those, IMO. At least not until you get your crap together.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Because legally it's one of the stupidest things you can do?

Blowing a .081 will solidify DUI, but getting your blood tested at .079 is legally defensible. Simple as that.

and wouldn't take the field sobriety test?