Arizona Cardinals offseason thread 2022

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Chandler Jones specifically cited Vance Joseph’s proclivity to drop him into coverage as a prime example of how he was being misused.

 

[DaHilg]

Chandler Jones specifically cited Vance Joseph’s proclivity to drop him into coverage as a prime example of how he was being misused.

Can’t argue with CJ on that point

 

[jf-08]

Chandler Jones specifically cited Vance Joseph’s proclivity to drop him into coverage as a prime example of how he was being misused.

I can't even imagine what Zach Allen thinks about VJ. Lol.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Chandler Jones specifically cited Vance Joseph’s proclivity to drop him into coverage as a prime example of how he was being misused.

Always an exuse when a key player fails and usually never his fault

Yes jones is talented but hes pretty ehhhh in key gms like cards gem lol qb murray

Ehhhhh if jones leaves

 

[Stout]

Apparently, the rumors are the rams are going after chandler Jones and Bobby Wagner.

I hope CJ does sign there, because they'll have to massively overpay and he's just not that good any longer. Certainly not worth the money he'll command.

 

[mjb21aztd]

What u guys think bout bobby wagner?

Cards are 1 of top 3 teams intrested

How is wagners inj speed recently?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Always an exuse when a key player fails and usually never his fault

Yes jones is talented but hes pretty ehhhh in key gms like cards gem lol qb murray

Ehhhhh if jones leaves

Do you go to the butcher to order a wedding cake? Of course not. Why would you expect a pass rusher to be able to drop into coverage and excel?

 

[Krangodnzr]

I really, really do not want Reddick at anything more than $12m. Yes, he racked up some decent stats but he's not a traditional edge rusher.

He's a slightly better Devon Kennard who we signed to the deal we all want out of on the back of a 7 sack season with a crappy Lions team. Reddick is the same players. He's a guy that get's sacks when the QB holds the ball too long or he's up against some slow 2nd string tackle.

He's not, and is never going to be, a guy you can say "Go beat Trent Williams and win the game for us".

That's like 4 people in the NFL.

 

[MadCardDisease]

What u guys think bout bobby wagner?

Cards are 1 of top 3 teams intrested

How is wagners inj speed recently?

That was clearly his Agent trying to prop him up after being unceremoniously released from his long time home in Seattle. The Cards have no interest in Wagner.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Do you go to the butcher to order a wedding cake? Of course not. Why would you expect a pass rusher to be able to drop into coverage and excel?

Not excel but atleast make few plays in late season

Hope jones stays but if cards arent franchising tag him prob gone

 

[football karma]

Chandler Jones specifically cited Vance Joseph’s proclivity to drop him into coverage as a prime example of how he was being misused.

made us all crazy

i like creativity and all that ..... but at a certain point, you stick with what players do best

 

[BritCard]

A lot of people disagreed when I said we should trade Chandler Jones last off season. I bet many here wish we had now.

Outside of the Titans he was pretty poor and especially bad vs the run. And now he's walking away for nothing.

2nd and a 5th would have been good no? Possibly more considering Macks cap hit is so much higher.

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[Shane]

A lot of people disagreed when I said we should trade Chandler Jones last off season. I bet many here wish we had now.

Outside of the Titans he was pretty poor and especially bad vs the run. And now he's walking away for nothing.

I was all in for trading

 

[DVontel]

A lot of people disagreed when I said we should trade Chandler Jones last off season. I bet many here wish we had now.

Outside of the Titans he was pretty poor and especially bad vs the run. And now he's walking away for nothing.

2nd and a 5th would have been good no? Possibly more considering Macks cap hit is so much higher.

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I agree about trading, but Mack is significantly better against the run.

 

[TheCardFan]

A lot of people disagreed when I said we should trade Chandler Jones last off season. I bet many here wish we had now.

Outside of the Titans he was pretty poor and especially bad vs the run. And now he's walking away for nothing.

2nd and a 5th would have been good no? Possibly more considering Macks cap hit is so much higher.

I think I was against it but can't remember anymore.

Aren't we likely to get a 3rd round pick for him next year? Provided we don't sign someone (similar contract) to replace him?

 

[overseascardfan]

Most here said that his play had gone down considerably in the second half of the season, and I can't remember any serious calls to re-sign him.

So did Chandler Jones but that's not going to deter teams from pursuing him. Offenses keyed their schemes around him which helped Brian Burns on the other side. I would have liked to have him back as we got a glimpse of what he could do when properly used instead of having him try to read and react as an ILB, once he was let loose to rush passer he took off. Nobody wanted to give him a multi year deal but from what I understood ARZ made no offer but if a one year $8M was what it would have took to keep him at least one more year on a prove it basis then that is a blunder, its not like he played on a one year franchise tag.

There is no end to the what-ifs.

If we knew what we know today, we'd have picked up Haason's fifth-year option, and then signed him to a longer deal.

Point is, however, there was no one who thought that was a good idea at the time, and even after his breakout season, Haason had his doubters throughout the League.

It's not like he dogged it here, he was moved to a position he never played. A one year deal would have been worth the risk as it would have given you another year to see if his breakout year was a fluke and keep him to replace Jones this year whether with a multi year deal or franchise tag.

You mentioned he isn't worth $17M but the key thing you are missing is people are speculating that was what his deal could be, no one thought after his 12.5 season here he would sign a deal for less than $10M but that's what he ended up doing and having another double digit sack year. No one knows how much he'll get until free agency begins.

 

[Stout]

What u guys think bout bobby wagner?

Cards are 1 of top 3 teams intrested

How is wagners inj speed recently?

No thanks.

 

[Stout]

Do you go to the butcher to order a wedding cake? Of course not. Why would you expect a pass rusher to be able to drop into coverage and excel?

It's a lot less about what the player does well and more about surprising the offense with the scheme. Some teams do it, but few teams do it well. The Steelers under Labeau (sp?) did it a lot and did it very well. Harrison used to drop into coverage just like Chandler. The difference is in how well you scheme and execute. Clearly we sucked at it. It can work--that's how Allen got his INT, remember?

 

[Ronin]

I was ready to give Chandler Jones all the monies.

 

[imaCafan]

Chandler Jones: I want to go to a place that maximizes my talents

Chandler Jones is set to become a free agent for the first time in his career next week.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

I would be having a serious conversation with my DC as to why he didn't use CJ (players) to maximize their talents.

 

[BritCard]

I agree about trading, but Mack is significantly better against the run.

He is, but Jones also cheaper.

 

[BritCard]

I think I was against it but can't remember anymore.

Aren't we likely to get a 3rd round pick for him next year? Provided we don't sign someone (similar contract) to replace him?

Probably buts odds are we do sign someone to replace him

 

[reebokalone2001]

What's De'Vondre Campbell's situation? Should have never lost the guy to begin with. Sheeez. I was not happy when we declined to bring him back. The tape doesn't lie, and he was more than effective for us. That's firmly on Keim and VJ in my opinion.

Maybe that was Keim's way to force VJ's hand to play Simmons, same as he released Hicks a few days ago.

 

[reebokalone2001]

Bring him in to play ILB

Where he was drafted to do.

 

[QuebecCard]

So did Chandler Jones but that's not going to deter teams from pursuing him. Offenses keyed their schemes around him which helped Brian Burns on the other side. I would have liked to have him back as we got a glimpse of what he could do when properly used instead of having him try to read and react as an ILB, once he was let loose to rush passer he took off. Nobody wanted to give him a multi year deal but from what I understood ARZ made no offer but if a one year $8M was what it would have took to keep him at least one more year on a prove it basis then that is a blunder, its not like he played on a one year franchise tag.


It's not like he dogged it here, he was moved to a position he never played. A one year deal would have been worth the risk as it would have given you another year to see if his breakout year was a fluke and keep him to replace Jones this year whether with a multi year deal or franchise tag.

You mentioned he isn't worth $17M but the key thing you are missing is people are speculating that was what his deal could be, no one thought after his 12.5 season here he would sign a deal for less than $10M but that's what he ended up doing and having another double digit sack year. No one knows how much he'll get until free agency begins.

They decided to combine Golden with Chandler, and Golden's numbers mirrored Haason's.

I would have liked to have kept him, but understand the decision.