Arizona Cardinals offseason thread 2022

[Shane]

I can barely think of a deal I think is good value so far that fits our needs.

Allen Robinson and JuJu maybe but they both chose their teams for a reason.

James Daniels is the only other one.

There is a couple posters here that think DJ chark was an incredible steal at 12 million per year

 

[SoonerLou]

Gotta wonder if the Browns sign Will Fuller now.

 

[BritCard]

Gotta wonder if the Browns sign Will Fuller now.

Yup. Fuller said he was waiting to see where Watson landed.

Well that was the rumour.

 

[Dayman]

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[Chopper0080]

Boye Mafe me at #23 if Zion isn’t there @Chopper0080

I would take him over Zion but I get it. I think both are good and fill needs. EDGE a little bit deeper but I don't love passing up a potential premiere pass rusher for an interior OL.

 

[overseascardfan]

I know many are saying wait until after June 1st to judge Keim but that is the most dire time to wait to sign free agents. The guys who get cut after June 1 are done so for good reason: underperforming, overpaid, too old, too injury prone. Impact free agents are usually gone by first week of FA so the fact that ARZ is this quiet tells me they are content with collecting comp picks and not trying to help this roster through FA but through the draft and we all know how bad Keim is. Players he drafts that actually get second contracts get them from other teams instead of being re-signed. Budda Baker and DJ Humphries are only 2 draft picks on roster we drafted and re-signed in last 7 drafts.

Next season looks real bleak unless Keim somehow finds receivers, cornerbacks, pass rusher, interior OL, run stuffing DL and depth so that we don't have a late season collapse like the last 2 years with key players going down with injuries.

I would be signing as many CB's and WR's now so that way you are not left scraping through what's left after June 1st. Keim hasn't learned anything from the Malcolm Butler situation from last year.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If you resigned people all of the time, you'll never get better. Steve Young sat behind Montana for years.

That's an extreme example but the point is sometimes guys step up when given the opportunity.

Edmonds is a nice player, but it's not a stretch to say he could be replaced. He was a role player.

Moore led the league in separation. Regardless of the circumstances, that tells you quite a bit about his ability. One of the biggest complaints about Moore's role was that he ran mostly gimmicky type plays...now we will get to see him run more diverse routes.

And the cost of resigning Kirk approached $20,000,000 per year. That's an insane number for a guy who every season disappeared for long stretches.

Either way, teams HAVE TO move on from players...and relying on free agency historically is actually a lower odds of getting better than relying on your own players.

This is a really poor argument. His depth of reception was like 1 yard. So he literally started out the play with the separation built into every route before the ball was ever snapped.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

LOL did you read my LAST SENTENCE before you went in to argument mode?

I literally stated that my issue is that the team so far is relying on roster replacements to replace a lot of production.

Apparently I did not.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Who said Moore needs an All Pro year? He's WR3 most likely. He needs to get 700-800 yards.

Then that’s not replacing kirk’s 900+ yards. And who is replacing moore’s 500+ yards in that equation. For us to be as talented as we were at this time last season we have account for every yard the players on the roster at this time last year produced. So either Moore replicates kirks and his own production from last year or he fully replicated kirks orodixtion from last year and someone else replicates moore’s. It’s not a difficult concept to follow.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Who said Moore needs an All Pro year? He's WR3 most likely. He needs to get 700-800 yards.

And if he’s #3 right now, who the hell on our current roster (because again, that’s our topic) is #2?!?

 

[Krangodnzr]

This is a really poor argument. His depth of reception was like 1 yard. So he literally started out the play with the separation built into every route before the ball was ever snapped.

I agree with that, but he did produce a ton of separation on most routes you would see down field too.

He is an electric player but it remains to be seen if he can become an all around player.

Either way, there ARE some in house options to step up that aren't UDFA quality players, but overall there is too much to make up right now to make an argument that everything is going to be alright.

 

[Dayman]

There is a chance that Moore just isn't physically built to take on a larger role. His measurements are pretty much unprecedented for a successful receiver.

These are his combine measurements:

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Cole Beasley is the only other receiver under 5'8" who has been successful in the NFL, and Beasley has longer arms, a bigger catch radius, bigger hands and he is almost an inch taller. Rondale would have to be the only player ever at his size to succeed in the league. I don't care how much the guy can squat. Overcoming those hands and that wingspan is no easy task. Both in receiving and blocking.

I hope he can rise above his measurements and turn into something special, but it's far from guaranteed.

 

[Stout]

They'll probably address the WR room with Cole Beasley....

 

[Stout]

Here's what we had done by this point last season

Picked up Watt early
Released and resigned Alford

Legal tampering window opens

Re-sign Golden
Tender Gardeck, Turner and Fitts
Extend Beachum

That's it. Legal tampering started on the 13th. FA window opened on the 15th. By this same point last year this is all the business we did.

Then in the equivalent of today we,

Extended Vallejo
Signed AJ Green
Traded for Hudson
Signed Prater

So it's not like the Cards shot out of the gates last year either.

We didn't sign Butler until a week from now.

Was another 2 weeks until they signed Colt McCoy.

It was a month into FA until we signed Conner.

And last year we clearly didn't do enough, so...

 

[Red on White]

The guys who get cut after June 1 are done so for good reason: underperforming, overpaid, too old, too injury prone.

Keim on June 1:

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[BritCard]

I would take him over Zion but I get it. I think both are good and fill needs. EDGE a little bit deeper but I don't love passing up a potential premiere pass rusher for an interior OL.

I think that would be silly.

Mafe is a projection based on physical performance. Only one year as a starter even though he was only at Minny and underwhelming stats.

Zion is a 3 year starter and far more of a sure thing than Mafe.

 

[BritCard]

I know many are saying wait until after June 1st to judge Keim but that is the most dire time to wait to sign free agents. The guys who get cut after June 1 are done so for good reason: underperforming, overpaid, too old, too injury prone. Impact free agents are usually gone by first week of FA so the fact that ARZ is this quiet tells me they are content with collecting comp picks and not trying to help this roster through FA but through the draft and we all know how bad Keim is. Players he drafts that actually get second contracts get them from other teams instead of being re-signed. Budda Baker and DJ Humphries are only 2 draft picks on roster we drafted and re-signed in last 7 drafts.

Next season looks real bleak unless Keim somehow finds receivers, cornerbacks, pass rusher, interior OL, run stuffing DL and depth so that we don't have a late season collapse like the last 2 years with key players going down with injuries.

I would be signing as many CB's and WR's now so that way you are not left scraping through what's left after June 1st. Keim hasn't learned anything from the Malcolm Butler situation from last year.

Nobody is saying wait until June 1st. Just a few days into FA is too early.

After the draft is the time to judge. Most roster work is done by then.

 

[BritCard]

And last year we clearly didn't do enough, so...

Silly argument.

The 7-0 and 10-2 start says otherwise.

The fall off wasn't a result of last off seasons moves. It was a result of Kyler not playing well (as you have argued repeatedly) and our WR1 being out. It was a result of poor coaching adjustments, poor form and poor mental strength. Not roster construction.

Now, I know you want to say "Well if Alford didn't get injured or we had a better backup for Nuk then..." but it's not the case. No team is winning the SB or doing well in the playoffs without their WR1. If Rams lose Kupp they are done, if Chiefs lose Tyreek same. There is no backup that is ever going to be close to your WR1 level.

The Alford argument is also disproved by the Rams. They lost both starting safeties signed the ghost of Weddle and still whooped us because Kyler played like crap.

You also can't argue that we haven't blown all our money on top tier FA talent AND say we sucked last year because our depth sucked. We can't build depth if we spend all our money on a couple of star FA's.

 

[BritCard]

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[slanidrac16]

And if he’s #3 right now, who the hell on our current roster (because again, that’s our topic) is #2?!?

All things point to Green. Massive ugh.

 

[Stout]

Silly argument.

The 7-0 and 10-2 start says otherwise.

The fall off wasn't a result of last off seasons moves. It was a result of Kyler not playing well (as you have argued repeatedly) and our WR1 being out. It was a result of poor coaching adjustments, poor form and poor mental strength. Not roster construction.

Now, I know you want to say "Well if Alford didn't get injured or we had a better backup for Nuk then..." but it's not the case. No team is winning the SB or doing well in the playoffs without their WR1. If Rams lose Kupp they are done, if Chiefs lose Tyreek same. There is no backup that is ever going to be close to your WR1 level.

The Alford argument is also disproved by the Rams. They lost both starting safeties signed the ghost of Weddle and still whooped us because Kyler played like crap.

You also can't argue that we haven't blown all our money on top tier FA talent AND say we sucked last year because our depth sucked. We can't build depth if we spend all our money on a couple of star FA's.

No, none of last year was about roster construction. Not at all. Remain calm, all is well lol C'mon, Brit, you already know the arguments. I didn't even have to type them before you began to acknowledge them. The team wasn't good enough, period. That includes depth/roster construction/mid-season moves. The season is 17 games long, not 10 or 12 or 7.

 

[Stout]

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Meaningless. Show me a pic of him in the film room and I'll be happier.

 

[QuebecCard]

Nobody is saying wait until June 1st. Just a few days into FA is too early.

After the draft is the time to judge. Most roster work is done by then.

These actual June 1st cuts are a thing of the past.

Teams now simply designate the player as a June 1 cut, perhaps after the first team activities, and allow him to go out there and find a new employer.

 

[kerouac9]

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Meaningless. Show me a pic of him in the film room and I'll be happier.

I was going to say the same thing. Give yourself a break from the weight room and get into the film room.

Kyler apologists will be here shortly to say that there’s nothing here that says Kyler isn’t ALSO breaking down film and refining his mechanics…

 

[Krangodnzr]

He obviously works, but he also stated that he doesn't think he needs to kill himself watching film whatever that means.

He sounds cocky to a fault.

I was going to say the same thing. Give yourself a break from the weight room and get into the film room.

Kyler apologists will be here shortly to say that there’s nothing here that says Kyler isn’t ALSO breaking down film and refining his mechanics…