Arizona Cardinals offseason thread 2022

[BritCard]

Yes. I am friends with Keim. Well I use to be but he sucks now.
I don’t have privy info. But if there were negotiations going on we’d hear about it. Do you really think a players agent isn’t going to leak that type of info? Are you naive?

This is obviously not true. I'd say 75% of players signed so far (at least) have done so without a hint that they were in discussions with that team.

 

[slanidrac16]

There are literally hundreds of negotiations going on right now that you and I know nothing of: Don't you pay attention?

Twitter is full of announced signings without any pre-posts indicating that player X was in negotiation with team Y.

You are so right. When a 3rd string guard is being “courted” it’s probably not going to hit the airwaves.
Nevermind….

 

[BritCard]

You are so right. When a 3rd string guard is being “courted” it’s probably not going to hit the airwaves.
Nevermind….

Nobody knew Chandler was going to the Raiders before it happened.

Nobody knew about the Adams trade, or the Mack trade, or Allen Robinson to the Rams and practically every other move so far.

 

[slanidrac16]

This is obviously not true. I'd say 75% of players signed so far (at least) have done so without a hint that they were in discussions with that team.

When anybody of notability is being interviewed 90% of the time it will leak out because his agent wants that info out there. Many might not consider Wr Demarcus Robinson a “ huge” name but it has been mentioned he is talking to the Raiders. If we were talking to him it would be out there.
I’m sure you and Quebec are hoping beyond hope these secret negotiations are ongoing. I hope you’re right.

 

[BritCard]

When anybody of notability is being interviewed 90% of the time it will leak out because his agent wants that info out there. Many might not consider Wr Demarcus Robinson a “ huge” name but it has been mentioned he is talking to the Raiders. If we were talking to him it would be out there.
I’m sure you and Quebec are hoping beyond hope these secret negotiations are ongoing. I hope you’re right.

That's not correct.

We know about Demarcus Robinson because he's visiting the Raiders and visits are reported. Like Gladney's was and La'el Collins.

But visits are rare. 99% of deals are done without visits and we rarely hear about who is in talks with them.

 

[slanidrac16]

Nobody knew Chandler was going to the Raiders before it happened.

Nobody knew about the Adams trade, or the Mack trade, or Allen Robinson to the Rams and practically every other move so far.

For every example you give there are 10 I could use as an example of so and do is talking to tesm A or do and so is visiting team B.
In years past we would hear who was coming here for a visit. But suddenly you think there are these clandestine negotiations going on in arizona.
Okay.

 

[BritCard]

For every example you give there are 10 I could use as an example of so and do is talking to tesm A or do and so is visiting team B.
In years past we would hear who was coming here for a visit. But suddenly you think there are these clandestine negotiations going on in arizona.
Okay.

I mean, it's pretty obvious why teams don;t want anyone to know who they are in talks with. Which is why it very rarely gets leaked.

It's a simple fact that's in evidence right now. If you like we can go through all the top FA moves and you can show me the tweets before they signed saying they were in talks.

 

[slanidrac16]

I mean, it's pretty obvious why teams don;t want anyone to know who they are in talks with. Which is why it very rarely gets leaked.

It's a simple fact that's in evidence right now. If you like we can go through all the top FA moves and you can show me the tweets before they signed saying they were in talks.

Not worth the effort. I know what I see on the running thread of NFL network. Not claiming EVERY Player however , the major reporters like Schecter and Pallisaro consistently leak info.

Do you not remember past years when we would hear the Cardinals are bringing in so and do on Tuesdsy and so and so in on Wednesday? Or was that just a figment of my imagination?

 

[Shane]

Yes. I am friends with Keim. Well I use to be but he sucks now.
I don’t have privy info. But if there were negotiations going on we’d hear about it. Do you really think a players agent isn’t going to leak that type of info? Are you naive?

That’s not true either many times you don’t hear about any negotiations with anybody much like JJ watt last year nobody had a clue or an idea he was coming to Arizona until he announced it himself….. not hearing about negotiations really means nothing.

 

[az jam]

I think if a GM asks an agent to keep the negotiation process confidential, most agents will respect it.

 

[TRW]

It's more of a certainty that rumors of where big-name free agents might go or who they are talking to will occur. Trades are kept a little closer to the vest so there are less reporting on them as a general rule. Then, there are some negotiations that aren't leaked and are "breaking news" with the talking heads. It kind of goes both ways. No one can correctly say that no news of free agent pursuits/negotiations means there are no pursuits/negotiations happening (unless the person saying it is Nostradamus).

 

[Stout]

It's not pure optimism. More analysis.

He had 38 YPG through 11 weeks as WR4 playing only 47% of snaps. Before the wheels fell off the offense and he got banged up. Without the injury and the drop off that would have been 650 as WR4 on less than half the available snaps.

He actually had slightly better yards per snap than Kirk. If he gets Kirks 76% share that would equate to just over 1000 yards.

And that's with a route tree smaller than he is. With an expanded route tree he should be able to up his YPC. It will be much easier for him when defenses don't know if he's going to burn them off the LOS or stay under for the gadget play he's been running mostly so far.

Obviously not that simple, he's going to pick up better coverage as WR3 and various other factors but I think he's well capable of getting 800-850 yards.

Everyone can;t keep saying we need to play and develop our draft picks more but only feel comfortable doing so if they are Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase. The vast, vast majority of rookies have poor to average first years. Probably less than 10% fly out of the gates.

Oh sure, let's just discount one of the major reasons some folks didn't like the pick that just happened to come true. Sure, when you eliminate THAT concern...lol

The opposite can be true as well, that he is injured MORE than he was last season, gets 20% of the snaps, etc. I hope he becomes an absolute stud and a star, but you're most certainly looking through rose colored glasses at the moment.

 

[slanidrac16]

That's not correct.

We know about Demarcus Robinson because he's visiting the Raiders and visits are reported. Like Gladney's was and La'el Collins.

But visits are rare. 99% of deals are done without visits and we rarely hear about who is in talks with them.

So what does no visits being reported in Arizona mean to you?

 

[slanidrac16]

It's more of a certainty that rumors of where big-name free agents might go or who they are talking to will occur. Trades are kept a little closer to the vest so there are less reporting on them as a general rule. Then, there are some negotiations that aren't leaked and are "breaking news" with the talking heads. It kind of goes both ways. No one can correctly say that no news of free agent pursuits/negotiations means there are no pursuits/negotiations happening (unless the person saying it is Nostradamus).

Perfectly stated. It’s not a cookie cutter situation. I would think the phone lines in Arizona are open but it’s also seems apparent there is nothing imminent because I think we would have heard SOMETHING.

 

[BritCard]

So what does no visits being reported in Arizona mean to you?

That we aren't having visits. Most signings don't visit.

Yes, a small percentage of negotiations you hear about in advance, but the vast majority we don't.

This is evident in that we have no idea who is in talks with some of the best FA's still available such as Tyrann, Clowney, OBJ, Gilmore, Wagner, Julio Jones etc.

Heard Gilmore had early Vegas interest last week but nothing else.

Do people really thing the FO are just playing Madden and drinking 6 packs and not in talks with any players?

 

[slanidrac16]

That we aren't having visits. Most signings don't visit.

Yes, a small percentage of negotiations you hear about in advance, but the vast majority we don't.

This is evident in that we have no idea who is in talks with some of the best FA's still available such as Tyrann, Clowney, OBJ, Gilmore, Wagner, Julio Jones etc.

Heard Gilmore had early Vegas interest last week but nothing else.

Do people really thing the FO are just playing Madden and drinking 6 packs and not in talks with any players?

Okay. So we as an organization are operating differently than the last few years.

 

[BritCard]

Okay. So we as an organization are operating differently than the last few years.

Not really. As someone said we had no idea about the Watt signing. We had no idea about the Nuk trade and those talks had apparently been going on for some time.

We had no idea about James Conner or Rodney Hudson before they happened. Or the Golden trade. Or the Drake trade. Or AJ Green. I don't believe we had any idea about Ertz before it happened other than people connecting the Cardinals need TE and Eagles want to move Ertz.

All seems pretty normal to me. Sure, you get the odd leak and we always get to hear about visits but 90%+ we don't hear about until they happen.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Less squats, more film room

I hope this is a joke...

 

[kerouac9]

Brit, is your theory of the case that the Cards are executing their plan and have targeted free agents that they are negotiating with but no one's said yes yet?

 

[Shane]

Brit, is your theory of the case that the Cards are executing their plan and have targeted free agents that they are negotiating with but no one's said yes yet?

A whole slew have said yes….

• TE Zach Ertz
• RB James Conner
• QB Colt McCoy
• LB Dennis Gardeck
• DL Michael Dogbe
• TE Maxx Williams
• LS Aaron Brewer
• P Andy Lee

 

[Ronin]

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[Stout]

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So he's gone after this season. Ugh, 2022 is looking bleak, but so is 2023. Good thing we have young WRs waiting to replace him. Andy, bubby, your time has come!

 

[Heucrazy]

So he's gone after this season. Ugh, 2022 is looking bleak, but so is 2023. Good thing we have young WRs waiting to replace him. Andy, bubby, your time has come!

Isn’t the cap supposed to go way up in 2023?

 

[BritCard]

Brit, is your theory of the case that the Cards are executing their plan and have targeted free agents that they are negotiating with but no one's said yes yet?

Pretty much. There are only two realistic scenarios.

The FO have a list of players they are targeting who are still testing the market and so are not in any rush to accept the offer on the table. I don't think that's a list that contains big headline names. I think it's more along the lines of "We need to improve our depth because depth cost us last year" hence not blowing their was on a couple of star players. So looking more at players with upside who they think they can get below their true value. Players like Bryce Callahan or Kyle Fuller rather than Gilmore.

The 2nd option, but unlikely is that they are waiting until post draft. But that seems unlikely.

Either way it seems there is less emphasis on paying FA's and more focus on youth. Which is of course the right way to do it, if they can draft well. Which is a big if.

 

[BritCard]

A whole slew have said yes….

• TE Zach Ertz
• RB James Conner
• QB Colt McCoy
• LB Dennis Gardeck
• DL Michael Dogbe
• TE Maxx Williams
• LS Aaron Brewer
• P Andy Lee

Don't forget Gladney!