Arizona Cardinals offseason thread 2022

[Krangodnzr]

Injuries should never be an excuse in the NFL period. They are a feature of the game, not a bug.

Right...even though Super Bowl winners tend to on the healthier side of the equation...

Furthermore, when you have a veteran team, you're taking a bigger chance with getting injuries.

Proof?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Right...even though Super Bowl winners tend to on the healthier side of the equation...

I'd imagine that is true, although we can think of plenty of teams that won super bowls without their QB or other stars.

Proof?

NFL Injuries Part III: Variation by Position and Age

Do older players really get hurt more often? And is that true for all positions?

www.footballoutsiders.com

From a logical perspective, getting in the equivalent of multiple car accidents every time you play tends to have a degenerative effect.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cards were 21st in Adjusted Games Lost last season -- right in the middle third of the league. Injuries should not be an excuse for why we came undone last year. Las Vegas and San Francisco both had more injuries than we did.

They also built a house of cards, no pun intended. You can’t be surprised about injuries when key players you depend on habitually get injured.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

LOL. Where have I ever said I'm ok with losing any of those players? Where? You make the claim that I am, back it up.

There is a difference in understanding there is still time and players available and being ok with losing those players. I am not ok with it, but there is still lots of time left.

Remember last offseason the conniption fit many were throwing over the corner back corps? Even with Malcolm Butler retiring, the Cardinals were fine at CB.

I advocate letting the process play out. Don't make dumb moves like trading for Parker or relying on Will Fuller.

I guess when you call people chicken little because they aren’t happy players left without replacement that means you’re fine with that situation. Otherwise if you’re unhappy with it aren’t you chicken little too?

And if you are fine, then you’re fine without knowing who the replacement is, which was the point of your post I was commenting on . . . that someone shouldn’t be fine with losing a player if you don’t know the replacement.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

LOL. Where have I ever said I'm ok with losing any of those players? Where? You make the claim that I am, back it up.

There is a difference in understanding there is still time and players available and being ok with losing those players. I am not ok with it, but there is still lots of time left.

Remember last offseason the conniption fit many were throwing over the corner back corps? Even with Malcolm Butler retiring, the Cardinals were fine at CB.

I advocate letting the process play out. Don't make dumb moves like trading for Parker or relying on Will Fuller.

And lol, Parker and fuller had no part in this conversation. This was about someone wanting to trade/cut DJ and you ridiculing them bc they wouldn’t know who his replacement was.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Every year under Joseph the Cardinals have been better than average in the sack category. Every year. Even when Jones went down early in the year. The issue is whether they are blitzing a ton to get those sacks or not.

I call a duck a duck man. I've seen this same song and dance about every issue every offseason. Like I said in another thread, half the board was freaking out over the corner back group last offseason. There were those of us who were not freaking out because we said that 1) the depth was good enough 2) Keim has a penchant for veteran signings that pay off. Literally both of those things came true, even with the retirement of Malcolm Butler.

From what it looks like the Cardinals think this:

1) Last seasons swoon was a function of inopportune injuries. As the Football Outsiders rankings demonstrate, the Cardinals weren't a very healthy team last year. Injuries tend to fluctuate from year to year.

2) They can save some money and future cap flexibility by NOT signing high priced free agents and can go after the second and third wave of free agency where the real bargains are at. We've seen ample evidence that despite Keim's failings at other areas of player procurement, he excels at finding players during the later stages of free agency. I'd expect the team to chase a veteran WR, EDGE, DL.

Every year vance has had either a chandler jones or a Reddick, right? Who is the guy on the roster today that’s got that talent?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

And neither won the Super Bowl. It also matter WHO gets hurt as well.

100%. Having nuk, watt, Hudson, and kyler miss games were big deal names to the offense and defense.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I guess when you call people chicken little because they aren’t happy players left without replacement that means you’re fine with that situation. Otherwise if you’re unhappy with it aren’t you chicken little too?

It's the constant complaining when we have ample evidence in the past that this front office operates that way and even excels at it. Like I've said multiple times: Keim sucks at drafting (most of the time) but he's pretty damn good at finding veterans on the cheap that contribute.

With this knowledge, why complain NOW? If you expected the Cardinals to come out signing high priced free agents, that's a you problem.

And if you are fine, then you’re fine without knowing who the replacement is, which was the point of your post I was commenting on . . . that someone shouldn’t be fine with losing a player if you don’t know the replacement.

It's a process. We've seen the end result a number of times, and I'd bet more often than not, that Keim will be able to find a cheap replacement for the lions share of the production. I dislike Keim because I do believe it's better to draft 4th round ILB, develop them, get good production and then get a 3rd round compensatory pick when a team invariably overpays them in free agency.

I call people Chicken Little because they are portending doom when the reality is that it will probably work itself out because it mostly has.

 

[juza76]

Cards were 21st in Adjusted Games Lost last season -- right in the middle third of the league. Injuries should not be an excuse for why we came undone last year. Las Vegas and San Francisco both had more injuries than we did.

Depth

 

[Krangodnzr]

100%. Having nuk, watt, Hudson, and kyler miss games were big deal names to the offense and defense.

....And Watt and Alford and Rondale Moore for some games....and Edmonds...

It wasn't an insignificant number of, or quality of, players missed.

 

[slanidrac16]

Cards were 21st in Adjusted Games Lost last season -- right in the middle third of the league. Injuries should not be an excuse for why we came undone last year. Las Vegas and San Francisco both had more injuries than we did.

The 49ers are a great example.

 

[Zalixar]

Injuries are absolutely an excuse. Rams don't make it past the Bucs without Kupp. Also, getting to the SB is hard. Rodgers has only been to one. Favre one. Brees one. Mostly due to injuries, sometimes bad years/teams.

We had underlying issues other than injuries, but those injuries contributed to some of those other issues. Yes injuries happen, but injuries are one of the biggest factors. It's bad luck and usually impossible to overcome.

There are few exceptions (2017) Eagles, but let's not pretend that's the norm.

 

[TJ]

Injuries are one thing, but when Kyler suffers even a minor injury during the middle of the season, he comes back looking no better than average

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I call people Chicken Little because they are portending doom when the reality is that it will probably work itself out because it mostly has.

Battered fan syndrome. It hasn't worked out. Our historical results are awful, and to pretend otherwise is delusional.

NFL teams highest all time winning percentage 2024 | Statista

Only two teams in the NFL have an all time winning percentage of over 57 percent - the Dallas Cowboys and the Green Bay Packers.

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The reality is that the Cards have been mostly bad, and anyone excusing them along the way for 20+ years can't see the forest through the trees. WE WANT THE CARDS TO BE CONSISTENTLY GOOD AND COMPETE!!!

Winning is fun. One playoff win in 9 years is an embarassment.

 

[TJ]

Injuries are absolutely an excuse. Rams don't make it past the Bucs without Kupp.

We had underlying issues other than injuries, but those injuries contributed to some of those other issues. Yes injuries happen, but injuries are one of the biggest factors. It's bad luck and usually impossible to overcome.

There are few exceptions (2017) Eagles, but let's not pretend that's the norm.

The Rams compensated for losses by constantly restocking the roster. Taking big swings at Miller, OBJ, etc solidified the championship

 

[Krangodnzr]

Battered fan syndrome. It hasn't worked out. Our historical results are awful, and to pretend otherwise is delusional.

NFL teams highest all time winning percentage 2024 | Statista

Only two teams in the NFL have an all time winning percentage of over 57 percent - the Dallas Cowboys and the Green Bay Packers.

www.statista.com

The reality is that the Cards have been mostly bad, and anyone excusing them along the way for 20+ years can't see the forest through the trees. WE WANT THE CARDS TO BE CONSISTENTLY GOOD AND COMPETE!!!

Winning is fun. One playoff win in 9 years is an embarassment.

What has remained the same throughout the past two decades?

 

[Zalixar]

The Rams compensated for losses by constantly restocking the roster. Taking big swings at Miller, OBJ, etc solidified the championship

And if they got hurt? They are done.

Key losses hurt. We had more key injuries. Not all injuries are created equal.

But yes, Keim is also bad. But it's so stupid to downplay injuries because they so obviously have a huge impact on the entire NFL season.

 

[Krangodnzr]

The 49ers are a great example.

That Lombardi Trophy looks great there in Santa Clara! Oh wait...

 

[Cheesebeef]

Battered fan syndrome. It hasn't worked out. Our historical results are awful, and to pretend otherwise is delusional.

NFL teams highest all time winning percentage 2024 | Statista

Only two teams in the NFL have an all time winning percentage of over 57 percent - the Dallas Cowboys and the Green Bay Packers.

www.statista.com

The reality is that the Cards have been mostly bad, and anyone excusing them along the way for 20+ years can't see the forest through the trees. WE WANT THE CARDS TO BE CONSISTENTLY GOOD AND COMPETE!!!

Winning is fun. One playoff win in 9 years is an embarassment.

Yeah… we have DRASYdifferent definition of what “mostly works”. Prior to last year we had the longest playoff drought… in the entire league.

 

[BritCard]

Yeah… we have DRASYdifferent definition of what “mostly works”. Prior to last year we had the longest playoff drought… in the entire league.

That's not true. Jets haven't been to the playoffs since 2011.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

....And Watt and Alford and Rondale Moore for some games....and Edmonds...

It wasn't an insignificant number of, or quality of, players missed.

I listed watt. The other guys missing 2, 3, and 4 games are:

A) par for the course for any team. Those aren’t unusual or season changing injuries;

B) we’ve been told as nauseum on the board how replaceable chase is with eno, so that shouldn’t have mattered, unless it should be cause for concern this season.

C) Moore was a limited trick gadget guy last season.

Losing nuk and watt and Hudson were the biggies we can point to as being game changing imo. The others are just the nfl.

 

[kerouac9]

Injuries should never be an excuse in the NFL period. They are a feature of the game, not a bug.

Furthermore, when you have a veteran team, you're taking a bigger chance with getting injuries.

More excuses and BS.

I dunno. Baltimore got pretty run over by injuries, and they were still in 1st place in the AFC on December 1. IMO injuries were a major contributor to Kyle Shanahan's record as HC, which @Krangodnzr was hammering on though essentially the middle of last season.

And neither won the Super Bowl. It also matter WHO gets hurt as well.

Sorry, the whole point of AGL is to take into account the value of the players who are hurt.

And you know as well as I do that winning the Super Bowl isn't the sole measure of a team's success in a given season. The 49ers won two playoff games and were in a position to make the Super Bowl with worse injury luck than we had.

They also built a house of cards, no pun intended. You can’t be surprised about injuries when key players you depend on habitually get injured.

That's fair. You can't be surprised when oft-injured players are injured. That's one of the reasons that people depending on Rondale Moore to carry a heavier load in 2022 are so hilarious. He couldn't handle the load of a gadget player without getting injured his rookie season.

When he was needed most, he was on the sideline nursing some soft-tissue injury and giving up snaps to Antoine Wesley.

 

[Red on White]

Another TE?

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[TJ]

A 230lbs TE. WTG, Keim!

 

[Stout]

A 230lbs TE. WTG, Keim!