Arizona State Basketball Thread 2008-2009

[MigratingOsprey]

nice win and i'm glad to see ASU starting to come on in basketball - i was just shocked at how timid the crowd was - a chance to sweep a major national program on ESPN and there were long stretches in the game where you could hear conversations in the audience on TV

ASU needs to build this momentum into an environment - with such a large fanbase and an arena on campus and being a "party school" i was shocked

 

[Mulli]

I caught the second half. Crowdseemed the loudest I could remember.

 

[TheKid_1]

wow I guess that charge on DC was a makeup for them not calling the hook as he went by? harden does that hook and off arm all game so if they'd called it on DC I'd have been pretty surprised. UCLA didn't get a single charge in this game and the one they call against UCLA was just a horrible call, should have been UCLA up 1 with DC shooting a FT.

Actually Russ it would have tied the game at 69 and DC would have gone to the line to take the lead. I admit that the call could have easily been a block, but as a sun devil fan, WOOT!

 

[Skkorpion]

Actually Russ it would have tied the game at 69 and DC would have gone to the line to take the lead. I admit that the call could have easily been a block, but as a sun devil fan, WOOT!

Whoa. Don't pander to Russ. UCLA fouls on every possession the other team has the ball, counting on the refs to be so accustomed to seeing it they only call about 1 of every 5 fouls.

Having said that, Darren Collison is my favorite opposing player to watch. He is defensively gifted with quickness and smarts. He shoots well, distributes well and his free throw shooting is nothing short of incredible. He never whines, ******* or talks trash. A true leader.

 

[Russ Smith]

Actually Russ it would have tied the game at 69 and DC would have gone to the line to take the lead. I admit that the call could have easily been a block, but as a sun devil fan, WOOT!

Correct it was 69-67 so if you count the bucket and he makes the FT it's 70-69. I think we can then assume Aboya won't brainfart and reach across guarding the inbounds guy leading to a T and a 4 point lead with the ball which forced UCLA to scramble giving up a dunk and the game.

ASU's zone really bugs UCLA. I don't get why Howland played Jrue so much, he was awful, in 61 minutes this year against ASU he has 2 points.

 

[Mulli]

Correct it was 69-67 so if you count the bucket and he makes the FT it's 70-69. I think we can then assume Aboya won't brainfart and reach across guarding the inbounds guy leading to a T and a 4 point lead with the ball which forced UCLA to scramble giving up a dunk and the game.

ASU's zone really bugs UCLA. I don't get why Howland played Jrue so much, he was awful, in 61 minutes this year against ASU he has 2 points.

Yooclah complaining about refs calls. Funny

 

[ajcardfan]

Yooclah complaining about refs calls. Funny

Karma-wise, they haven't started to pay back the gift calls, and non-calls, they've gotten the past couple of seasons.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Karma-wise, they haven't started to pay back the gift calls, and non-calls, they've gotten the past couple of seasons.

Exactly. I love how Bruin fans are up in arms over the block on Pendergraph when Pac-10 officials basically handed them the Pac-10 championship last year with the garbage calls in the Cal and Stanford games amongst others. What goes around comes around guys.

And when can we start calling Jrue Holiday a bust? Or bring up the fact that UCLA's best wins all year were home W's against Cal and UofA? I really can't wait until UofA gets a real coach and runs Howland, his micro-managed snoozefest system, and his dirty hedge screens out of the gym every year like Florida and Memphis.

 

[Mulli]

Refs missed a double dribble in the middle of the court that ucla can't complain about. Ucla made some crazy shots or this game isn't close.

 

[PoolBoy]

Refs missed a double dribble in the middle of the court that ucla can't complain about. Ucla made some crazy shots or this game isn't close.

not to mention josh shipp acting like the crybaby little brother all game.

 

[Skkorpion]

ASU vs USC at 8 PM tonight. Why so late? Sucks for the fans. I'll be watching.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Big win vs Ucla that was huge , hopefully ASU does good in the pac 10 tournament and gets a good seed in March Madness. By the way when does the pac 10 tournament start again?

 

[TheKid_1]

Nice end to the first half by the devils to push the lead to 9. Hopefully they can close this out. GO DEVILS!!

 

[FArting]

ASU beats USC by 12.

 

[ajcardfan]

Where in the world has THIS version of Derek Glasser that we've seen the last couple of games come from? The guy is making plays off the dribble, big shots and playing his ass off on defense. When he made that play in the 2nd half where he beat the USC guys down the floor on the dribble, my jaw hit the ground.


I think this team is both vulnerable to be upset in round one and to pull off a big upset in the tourney and making it to the the Sweet Sixteen or Elite eight.

 

[Russ Smith]

Exactly. I love how Bruin fans are up in arms over the block on Pendergraph when Pac-10 officials basically handed them the Pac-10 championship last year with the garbage calls in the Cal and Stanford games amongst others. What goes around comes around guys.

And when can we start calling Jrue Holiday a bust? Or bring up the fact that UCLA's best wins all year were home W's against Cal and UofA? I really can't wait until UofA gets a real coach and runs Howland, his micro-managed snoozefest system, and his dirty hedge screens out of the gym every year like Florida and Memphis.

That'll be a long wait. UA will be good but nobody is going to run UCLA out of the gym every year in the Pac 10 as long as Howland is there.

He's inflexible which bugs me, but the man can coach. The problem this year is they simply lost too much to the NBA and the freshmen aren't as ready to play as people thought they would be.

That said if they somehow beat UW on Thursday they'll be right back in the thick of it. IF not, they're in trouble for winning the conference this year.

 

[Russ Smith]

Karma-wise, they haven't started to pay back the gift calls, and non-calls, they've gotten the past couple of seasons.

That's 2 straight ASU games decided by a bad charge call, in the UCLA game Aboya then brainfarts for the T, in the USC game Floyd predictably goes ballistic and gets a T ending that game. ASU might have won anyways but those T's ended the game.

I'd say that's comparable to the breaks UCLA got against Stanford and Cal.

ASU got hosed out of the tournament last year on that call against USC, I guess they deserve some breaks.

 

[PoolBoy]

USC got the calls the whole game. One charge call in a 6 point game didn't cost them the game. Their coach going crazy did, and their inability to cover Glasser and McMillan behind the arc.

 

[Russ Smith]

USC got the calls the whole game. One charge call in a 6 point game didn't cost them the game. Their coach going crazy did, and their inability to cover Glasser and McMillan behind the arc.

It ended the game because after the T shots it was a 10 point game. ASU still has the edge without that call but it's a huge swing from potentially a 3 point game, to a 10 point game and ASU gets the ball. And USC got called for more fouls than ASU did and had 2 starters foul out, hard to claim USC was getting calls the whole game. I thought it was relatively well called until that bad charge on Hackett, just like the UCLA game was consistently reffed, not a single charge in the game until the bad one on DC.

I happen to think ASU is a very good team, that zone is murder to play against. But I heard a lot of complaining from fans last year when UCLA got breaks to beat Stanford and Cal back to back, so I would expect those same people to be able to admit ASU got 2 massive breaks on bad charge calls that wiped out potential 3 point plays.

ANy chance USC had to win ended with that call, if you know anything about Tim Floyd you KNEW he was going to get a T there, 2 surprised me but why not he knew the game was over at that point.

The Pac 10 refs have been doing this all year, UW shooting 40+ FT's in consecutive wins then UA beats them shooting 51 FT's. I just hate to see games decided like that, I actually wanted ASU to win(I hate Tim Floyd) but not that way.

 

[PoolBoy]

It ended the game because after the T shots it was a 10 point game. ASU still has the edge without that call but it's a huge swing from potentially a 3 point game, to a 10 point game and ASU gets the ball. And USC got called for more fouls than ASU did and had 2 starters foul out, hard to claim USC was getting calls the whole game. I thought it was relatively well called until that bad charge on Hackett, just like the UCLA game was consistently reffed, not a single charge in the game until the bad one on DC.

I happen to think ASU is a very good team, that zone is murder to play against. But I heard a lot of complaining from fans last year when UCLA got breaks to beat Stanford and Cal back to back, so I would expect those same people to be able to admit ASU got 2 massive breaks on bad charge calls that wiped out potential 3 point plays.

ANy chance USC had to win ended with that call, if you know anything about Tim Floyd you KNEW he was going to get a T there, 2 surprised me but why not he knew the game was over at that point.

The Pac 10 refs have been doing this all year, UW shooting 40+ FT's in consecutive wins then UA beats them shooting 51 FT's. I just hate to see games decided like that, I actually wanted ASU to win(I hate Tim Floyd) but not that way.

number of fouls means nothing, I was at the game and Daniel Hackett was grabbing harden the ENTIRE game. even throwing him down during one play with no call

 

[Mathew81]

number of fouls means nothing, I was at the game and Daniel Hackett was grabbing harden the ENTIRE game. even throwing him down during one play with no call

Agreed. Everytime Harden curled around Pendergraph down low, Hackett would reach out and grab him. Also, regarding the number of fouls, ASU had 9 fould and USC only 4 late in the second half. It was only because USC had to start fouling (and the technicals count for the team fouls as well) that they ended up with more called against them.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

That's 2 straight ASU games decided by a bad charge call, in the UCLA game Aboya then brainfarts for the T, in the USC game Floyd predictably goes ballistic and gets a T ending that game. ASU might have won anyways but those T's ended the game.

I'd say that's comparable to the breaks UCLA got against Stanford and Cal.

ASU got hosed out of the tournament last year on that call against USC, I guess they deserve some breaks.

I don't think it's specifically ASU getting breaks, it's just that Pac-10 basketball officiating is and always been horrendous. Remember ASU got knocked out of the field of 65 last year via a bad call against USC in the Pac-10 Tourney. Lute ripped this conference's grade school officiating for decades to no avail, maybe now that the cash cows of the Pac-10 felt it's wrath then actual changes might be made.

Now I'll also say that while I don't think ASU has been targeted for the royal treatment it's become pretty obvious that something strange is going with the officiating especially in the last few years. There have been way too many blatantly bad calls in close games for a normal person not to be suspicious. I can think of at least 10 games in the last two years alone where one call has basically decided a game and/or a point spread.

 

[HooverDam]

That's 2 straight ASU games decided by a bad charge call, in the UCLA game Aboya then brainfarts for the T, in the USC game Floyd predictably goes ballistic and gets a T ending that game. ASU might have won anyways but those T's ended the game.

Do you honestly feel like the charge call cost UCLA that game? Do you honestly believe that Collison didn't get away with an OBVIOUS hook 1 second before the charge/block? UCLA fans and Ben Howland are driving me nuts with this complaining, you can not complain about the 2nd blown call on a play when there was a no call one second before that should've gone the other way. Maybe the ref was slow on the whistle, realized he missed the hook call and so gave ASU a makeup, but UCLA ought not to be complaining.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

or that ridiculously easy to call double dribble that wasn't.........

pac 10 refs are bad - the beginning to the USC game was painful with all the calls going against ASU

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I don't know what's funnier - UCLA fan blaming the refs or ASU fan claiming they were not the benefactors of some pretty questionable officiating.