Arizona State Basketball Thread 2009-2010

[AsUdUdE]

The devils defense looked AWESOME today... looking st the schedule, games against Baylor, BYU, and SDSU, and wins over TCU and LSU already the devils schedule looks as strong as it has in a very long time, and it looks as though they are here to BALL this year, whixh is awesome to see...

 

[AsUdUdE]

Tough loss to swallow tonight... The devils had a 10 point lead midway through the 2nd half and just let it slip away....

Baylor is a TOUGH team though, it really wouldn't surprise me if they finished 3-4 in the Big12 this year, their front court it 6"10, 6"10, and 7"... but the devils had them on the ropes, and let them off the hook...

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Baylor isn't finishing in the top 3-4 of the Big 12.

Pac-10 looks likes a two bid league this year at best.

 

[DWKB]

Right now the only solid favorite for the PAC 10 is Cal over ISU. Anything can happen though.

 

[ajcardfan]

Baylor isn't finishing in the top 3-4 of the Big 12.

Pac-10 looks likes a two bid league this year at best.

I agree Mao, although the Pac 10 will get at least 3, by default, just because it's a "major" conference.

I think Baylor was picked to finish ninth in Big 12. If they were in the Pac 10, they would be in the top 3 easy and could win it. (Based on what I saw of the Washington game yesterday, I can't say the Huskies are much more talented.) So, that means that the Big 12 is a monster of a conference this year and the Pac 10 is really weak.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Baylor isn't finishing in the top 3-4 of the Big 12.

Pac-10 looks likes a two bid league this year at best.

I think they get 3 in this year... no more than that though...

Snf the Big12 is GOOOOOD this year, but I think Baylor this year is right there with Texas A&M, Ok St., TT, and Kansas St...

Their only loss this year was to Alabama, and that was Tweety Carter's (best name in college this year) first game of the season, and he was out of sink...

They have 2 guards that could both averge 18+ ppg this year and a front line that is bigger tha a lot of NBA teams front court...

I think Baylor was picked to finish 9th in the Big-12 this year because they are Baylor... I will bet anything they won't finish 9th....

And again maybe not the top 3-4, but I could see that happending, I definetly see top 5-6 and making the tourney this year...

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Eh, the SEC wasn't going to get three last year until Mississippi State came out of nowhere to win the SEC Tourney. The problem is that there's very little in the way of potential quality wins left on the board for most teams in the conference for the teams on the outide looking into the top tier of the conference. USC still has Georgia Tech and Tennessee but KO won't get it done. UCLA has no chance against KU. ASU and UA have nobody left that's any good OOC unless you count BYU. A good draw in the Pac-10 Tournament is going to be huge.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Their only loss this year was to Alabama, and that was Tweety Carter's (best name in college this year) first game of the season, and he was out of sink...

That's the thing - Alabama isn't any good.

Baylor starts out well every year then flames out because Scott Drew's a bad coach and his players are stupid and undisciplined. I guess they could make the Tournament but with those headcases I'd assume no. Once the talented youth on Oklahoma and OK State get some more experience they'll be better for starters. A&M's better right now and will only improve too.

 

[AsUdUdE]

That's the thing - Alabama isn't any good.

Baylor starts out well every year then flames out because Scott Drew's a bad coach and his players are stupid and undisciplined. I guess they could make the Tournament but with those headcases I'd assume no. Once the talented youth on Oklahoma and OK State get some more experience they'll be better for starters. A&M's better right now and will only improve too.

Yeah, I do agree with you about Baylor's players not having the highest basketball IQ, and Scott Drew is certainly a below average coach, but they are built and after seeing them last night, they are a resilant bunch (something they will need this year in the Big12)...

A&M is better now... but we will see as the season progresses....

Oklahoma is HORRIFIC this year... a team that loses on a neutral court by double digits to Virgina Commonwealth and the University of San Diego is not going to get better enough to come close to making the tourney (again stranger things have happend, but if Oklahoma makes the tourney this year I will pay you 100 buck personally, I swear no BS)

Oklahoma St is always solid but they just lost by 21 to Tulsa... could be just one of those nights, but it was their first real test to see what kind of a team they were, they may still be solid, but they failed their first test to prove anything.

In the end we will see, but I am telling you Baylor will be a lot better than most people expect, and will make the tourney, IMO...

 

[DWKB]

Oklahoma is HORRIFIC this year... a team that loses on a neutral court by double digits to Virgina Commonwealth and the University of San Diego is not going to get better enough to come close to making the tourney (again stranger things have happend, but if Oklahoma makes the tourney this year I will pay you 100 buck personally, I swear no BS)

Can I get in on this?

KU lost to UMass last year in KC (technically neutral court). A-10 7-9 conference, 12-18 overall.

Oklahoma St is always solid but they just lost by 21 to Tulsa... could be just one of those nights, but it was their first real test to see what kind of a team they were, they may still be solid, but they failed their first test to prove anything.

Tulsa is preseason CUSA #2 team predicted to make the NCAA tournament and has an NBA caliber center. A loss is not that unexpected, although 21 is a lot of points.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

OKlahoma's got at least two NBA players on their roster - they're just a sophomore and some freshmen. They'll be very good by the end of the year especially with Capel at the helm.

 

[AsUdUdE]

OKlahoma's got at least two NBA players on their roster - they're just a sophomore and some freshmen. They'll be very good by the end of the year especially with Capel at the helm.

I agree Capel is a HELL of a coach, and in theory they probably should be better than they have showed, but IMO, they are going to have to go A LONG WAY to be able to comeback and make the NCAA Tournament this year, and if they do, I will be out 100 bucks and eat Crow, but I just can't see that happening this year....

 

[AsUdUdE]

Can I get in on this?

KU lost to UMass last year in KC (technically neutral court). A-10 7-9 conference, 12-18 overall.



Tulsa is preseason CUSA #2 team predicted to make the NCAA tournament and has an NBA caliber center. A loss is not that unexpected, although 21 is a lot of points.

True, and anything can happend, thats why sports is great, but there is quite a difference between a middle of the Pack A10 school and a below average West Coast Conference team... Though truely UMASS was pretty poor last year.

Its not like San Diego is a surprising up and coming or sneaky good team... they were coming off a home loss to Pacific, and also lost to WSU by 40...

But things can happend, and the Big12 may get 6-7 teams in the tournament this year, I just don't think Oklahoma will be one of them....

 

[Dreadnought]

True, and anything can happend, thats why sports is great, but there is quite a difference between a middle of the Pack A10 school and a below average West Coast Conference team... Though truely UMASS was pretty poor last year.

Its not like San Diego is a surprising up and coming or sneaky good team... they were coming off a home loss to Pacific, and also lost to WSU by 40...

But things can happend, and the Big12 may get 6-7 teams in the tournament this year, I just don't think Oklahoma will be one of them....

Oh yeah.

 

[AsUdUdE]

OKlahoma's got at least two NBA players on their roster - they're just a sophomore and some freshmen. They'll be very good by the end of the year especially with Capel at the helm.

Oklahoma needed a last second stop to win by one point at home against the University of Northern Colorado...

From a committee stand point will this be looked at as a win is a win, or as a team headed squarely for the bubble, will this be looked at as a win, but in reality a loss..

I can honestly say I do not believe I have heard of the University of Northern Colorado....

 

[AsUdUdE]

BIG game for ASU tonight, a win will help their RPI, (Albeit a little but), and give them another win against a quality opponent (They are #26 in the RPI)

Very interested to see how they respond...

I am predicting a win tonight... 68-59..

Lets Go Devils!

 

[Russ Smith]

Anybody else starting to think the Pac 10 is going to be very competitive this year amongst themselves?

UW is the favorite but hasn't looked as good as expected, Cal is disappointing. ASU and Arizona are both better than expected. USC just blew out Tennessee tonight, first game with Gerrity at PG(10 assists) and they get Leonard Washington back in a few games(assuming he has the grades). WSU is better than everyone expected, and even UCLA has looked a lot better in 3 of the last 4 games(only 1 win in the 4). Stanford is actually quite a bit better than expected they took Kentucky to OT, and they're doing it without their best big it sounds like his career might be over although they haven't yet said what the actual injury is(Owens).

Oregon and OSU are the only teams that still look like outright crap.

 

[Nasser22]

Yes, the Pac-10 season will be very fun to follow. I can't wait for it to begin. Tonight's game got way too close, but we were able to pull out a big win. Glasser showed some toughness coming out and tying for the assists lead on that bad ankle.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Ultimately it was a good win for the Devils... almost had a Baylor part II, but this time the good guys held on and came away with a win over a team coming off a 17 point drubbing of our rivals...

Nice Job Devils...

 

[HooverDam]

Nice win for ASU against SDSU but the freshman have got to pick it up for ASU to do well in the Pac 10. Almost all the athleticism on this team is young (Abbotts the only experienced player Id call athletic) and so inconsistent (which is to be expected) right now. ASUs going to need at least 1 of the Freshman (Rudd/Walker/Lockett, I dont expect anything from Thompson and Pateev) to have a good showing per game to have success. Demetrius Walker hasn't done much yet, I suspect he'll have a breakout game sooner or later, not that he'll sustain that necessarily but I think in one of ASUs two remaining cupcake games he could have a big night.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Oklahoma needed a last second stop to win by one point at home against the University of Northern Colorado...

From a committee stand point will this be looked at as a win is a win, or as a team headed squarely for the bubble, will this be looked at as a win, but in reality a loss..

I can honestly say I do not believe I have heard of the University of Northern Colorado....

Um...who cares? It took a John Wall miracle for Kentucky to beat Miami of Ohio at home and UK's probably going to go to the Final Four and have three lottery picks.

Nice win yesterday by the way, I think Herb probably regrets not scheduling one more decent team before the Pac-10 starts.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Um...who cares? It took a John Wall miracle for Kentucky to beat Miami of Ohio at home and UK's probably going to go to the Final Four and have three lottery picks.

Nice win yesterday by the way, I think Herb probably regrets not scheduling one more decent team before the Pac-10 starts.

could be true....

 

[AsUdUdE]

So, Mao, the answer is then, a win is a win, no matter what the point spread or who the opponent is...

It makes sense, but it seems like the committee looks at winning margin and opponent a lot..

And comparring OKlahoma a team that IMO, will be a bubble team for sure to Kentucky is ridiculous... If Kentucky has a close game against a marginal opponent that they win, you are absolutely right, in the end, it will NOT matter..

But if ASU or UofA or Oklahoma wins by a one point over a university the no one even knows exsits, IMO, the committee would look at that a little more closely when making the descision who gets in and who is left out....

SO the question of a win is a win is interesting because I am not sure that is always the case....

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

A win is a win. The committee looks at a number of factors, margin of victory is not one of them unless you count come computer rankings (Sagarin for example) which apparently means significantly less than RPI. In your scenario the committee would drop Kentucky from a #1 seed to a #2 seed for barely beating Miami-Ohio which of course would be ridiculous.

So then should ASU as a bubble team be left out for barely beating TCU at home? Of course not.

 

[AsUdUdE]

A win is a win. The committee looks at a number of factors, margin of victory is not one of them unless you count come computer rankings (Sagarin for example) which apparently means significantly less than RPI. In your scenario the committee would drop Kentucky from a #1 seed to a #2 seed for barely beating Miami-Ohio which of course would be ridiculous.

So then should ASU as a bubble team be left out for barely beating TCU at home? Of course not.

No ofcourse I don't think they would be dropped.... Because it was a hiccup and outside of that one game they have been awesome... now if Kentucky had that one point win, and also lost to teams like San Diego and Virginia Commonwealth.. then it becomes a pattern that I would assume the committee would look at... you don't agree?

and there is a HUUUGE difference between TCU and the University Northern Colorado a D-2 school until just last year, and is currently in the a middle of the pack team in the Big Sky Conference...
Would you consider SDSU and NAU on the same level?

Same goes with ASU.. If they had beaten San Fransico by a point and needed a last second shot to do it, I (as an ASU alum/fan) would even hold it against them as more of a negitive than a positive.. A win is a win over legit D1 schools like TCU though...