Article on Plummer's first practice in Denver....

[Bobcat]

Jake Plummer

Let us all stop talking about old news "Jake Plummer" He is gone and that is that. It does us know good to ponder what he may say or do until we meet him on the field. Then we can rejoyice in his passes to our db's.

Jake is gone let us let it die. Stop bringing uo the past, he is gone and that is good for us Cardinal Fans.


Allan

 

[Mel Gray TD]

I really hope that Coach Dave will look at what Parcells has done in the past. If you are going to be a Cardinal and we are going to pay you this much, you will be here in the offseason and you will work out, and you will do what we tell you to do. If this sounds a bit harsh just have Coach Parcells show you his Super Bowl rings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Jurecki is talking about this topic right now.

He said that Plummer NEVER watched film here! What a loser.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Jurecki is talking about this topic right now.

He said that Plummer NEVER watched film here! What a loser.

MJ's all over this.
Jake's lack of mental preparation has always irked MJ.

 

[Krangodnzr]

The team paid him a 15 million dollar signing bonus, and he couldn't even show up for offseason conditioning, and didn't watch film. Screw him, I take back what I said about him after his full page ad.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
MJ's all over this.
Jake's lack of mental preparation has always irked MJ.

There is no excuse for that. Plummer apologist can't defend that. I love how Jurecki pointed out that he was supposed to be a leader, yet he never watched film or worked out with the team. Jake Plummer has now become my least favorite player in the NFL.

 

[Mrospi]

He never watched film.... guess he didn't want to relive the bad memories...... what a tool.........He was paid to be a leader.... to whine and cry about things instead of doing anything about it... no leadership abilities at all in my opinion......

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
There is no excuse for that. Plummer apologist can't defend that. I love how Jurecki pointed out that he was supposed to be a leader, yet he never watched film or worked out with the team. Jake Plummer has now become my least favorite player in the NFL.

Which is exactly why you never heard many of his teammates jumping up in support of him. They didn't blast him per se but there certainly wasn't an overwhelming backing of Jake. I always wondered aboyut his game prep because of the mistakes and I guess it can be surmised that because he didn't watch film (and defenses did) that is the main reason for his lack of success.

As for those who have said Jake is gone we should move on? I think we all did until Jake took his little shot at the Cards. I don't blame him I guess but most fans here had pretty much moved on.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Which is exactly why you never heard many of his teammates jumping up in support of him. They didn't blast him per se but there certainly wasn't an overwhelming backing of Jake. I always wondered aboyut his game prep because of the mistakes and I guess it can be surmised that because he didn't watch film (and defenses did) that is the main reason for his lack of success.

As for those who have said Jake is gone we should move on? I think we all did until Jake took his little shot at the Cards. I don't blame him I guess but most fans here had pretty much moved on.

As crazy as it sounds, if he succeeds elsewhere (in Denver) I won't blame the organization. Jake sucked, because Jake sucked.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
As crazy as it sounds, if he succeeds elsewhere (in Denver) I won't blame the organization. Jake sucked, because Jake sucked.

While I haven't heard what MJ was saying, it certainly sounds like Jake didn't commit to becoming better in the ways typical of NFL players (ie film, working out). I would surmise he believed his abilities could compensate for everything and we know that to be innaccurate. Again, just my opinion but as this info comes out it begins to make more sense.

 

[azdeftone]

I was out of town. If you guys hate him so much quit talking about him he's gone. As far as what he said the cards offseason conditioning programs do SUCK!!! Everyone knows it thats why we have so many injuries. Not to mention he did not say he NEVER participated he probally did at first then saw they sucked and conditioned himself.... DID NOT see him getting injured all the ****ing time and he took more damn hits than half the team. Yuo guys just love to hate the guy and have nothing else to talk about right now. I can't wait until he starts and is as good as most think he can be with a DECENT team and some GOOD coaching. So I guess we'll all see when the season gets here until then why dont you find something you like and talk about IT instead of Jake. He is a professional athlete not your buddy and saying that the cards offseason program is not as good is not a knock at the cards ITS A FACT!!!! Denver is better than us far better so quit taking it as an insult for god sake you guys act like a bunch of little kids. As far as Jurecki hes ok to listen to but what the hell does he know half the time. He does not like Jake dought he ever has so I take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Sandan]

Let's try and address this mostly unintelliable post.

Denver is better than the Cardinals, maybe, but they havn't done much since Elway left. This is despite outspending us and most other teams.

I'd say Denver looked pretty pathetic for the $$ they have spent.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by azdeftone
I was out of town. If you guys hate him so much quit talking about him he's gone. As far as what he said the cards offseason conditioning programs do SUCK!!! Everyone knows it thats why we have so many injuries. Not to mention he did not say he NEVER participated he probally did at first then saw they sucked and conditioned himself.... DID NOT see him getting injured all the ****ing time and he took more damn hits than half the team. Yuo guys just love to hate the guy and have nothing else to talk about right now. I can't wait until he starts and is as good as most think he can be with a DECENT team and some GOOD coaching. So I guess we'll all see when the season gets here until then why dont you find something you like and talk about IT instead of Jake. He is a professional athlete not your buddy and saying that the cards offseason program is not as good is not a knock at the cards ITS A FACT!!!! Denver is better than us far better so quit taking it as an insult for god sake you guys act like a bunch of little kids. As far as Jurecki hes ok to listen to but what the hell does he know half the time. He does not like Jake dought he ever has so I take it with a grain of salt.

I agree Nidan, not what you would call a gem of a post.

What is this, though?

By-the-way, how would Jake know that the offseason conditioning program sucked, if he didn't go? And how are you going to defend Plummer's lack of preparation?

Jurecki, who is an employee of the team, said that Jake NEVER watched any film. To me, as a Cardinals fan, I resent that. If he didn't watch film, he gave ME and YOU a halfassed effort. The defenses he played against sure as hell watched film on him, and that was totally obvious by the number of really stupid picks he threw.

You tell me and others to get over Plummer, but he will forever be linked to the team and that isn't in my power. If he says something I will post it here if I hear it.

 

[cards 24-7-365]

Maybe Jake didn't prepare himself in the classroom and watch enough film - who really knows - the only way we can guess is by his performance on the field. We all know how that turned out!

Who cares if a guy goes to the Cardinals off season strength and conditioning program. There are several elite athlete training centers in the valley and most Cardinals go to one of these facilities to train during the off season. Leonard Davis, Jake Plummer, Frank Sanders - did not work out at the facility. There was a huge article in the Republic last summer about Jake's offseason workouts and all the places that athletes train in the Valley. David Boston did not put on his infamous 30 lbs of muscle in one offseason by doing the Cardinals offseason strength and conditioining program. Most of the players get paid to go to the offseason conditioning program and that is why they go. If you were to walk in to the Cards weight room on Monday, I would bet that the guys who are in there are the young guys who were UFAs or guys drafted in the later rounds. There would not be many of the established NFL veterans working out there. Most of the vets place on the team is secure and they don't care if the coaching staff is angry about them working out elsewhere. Their bodies are too important to go through a sub-par strength and conditioning program.

I would argue that the poor strength and conditioning program is one of the biggest reasons that the Cards younger players fail to develop and improve from year to year. A good strength coach is just as important as a good D-line coach (especially for a guy like W. Bryant) or any other positioin coach. That is why you see a great coach like Gruden bringing his strength coach from Oakland to Tampa - he understands the importance.

The Cards do not spend money in these "extra" areas. (The strength and conditioning program is should be a top priority!)This is a perfect example of the things Aneas was referring to when he left and while I would argue that the Cards players are paid just as well as guys on any other team. They do not do the little things in a "first class" manner. Until they have a commitment to perfecting every detail of their operation from the owner to the equipment guy, they will not be a consistent winner.

Anyway, I got a little carried away on a Sat. morning. All of this stuff does not excuse poor preparation in the classroom.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by cards 24-7-365

The Cards do not spend money in these "extra" areas. (The strength and conditioning program is should be a top priority!)This is a perfect example of the things Aneas was referring to when he left and while I would argue that the Cards players are paid just as well as guys on any other team. They do not do the little things in a "first class" manner. Until they have a commitment to perfecting every detail of their operation from the owner to the equipment guy, they will not be a consistent winner.

Anyway, I got a little carried away on a Sat. morning. All of this stuff does not excuse poor preparation in the classroom.

I guess it depends on what workout we're actually talking about. The heading on this thread says "practice", it's probably not a practice as much as a workout. I would assume that means more than just lifting weights and conditioning, but maybe not.

My objection to Jake's comments is simple, if he felt that way he was the ONE GUY among the players in a position to change it. He could have said something, he could have improved it, but he instead apparently just chose to "not participate", and that rubs me the wrong way.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
I guess it depends on what workout we're actually talking about. The heading on this thread says "practice", it's probably not a practice as much as a workout. I would assume that means more than just lifting weights and conditioning, but maybe not.

My objection to Jake's comments is simple, if he felt that way he was the ONE GUY among the players in a position to change it. He could have said something, he could have improved it, but he instead apparently just chose to "not participate", and that rubs me the wrong way.

I agree Russ, and the more I think about the more I resent him.

He was in a position to lead by example, but he only contributed to losing. Jurecki said that he was talking to someone in Denver's front office, and they said that Plummer was going to watch film. It was clear that it ticked off Jurecki, because Jurecki said that he never saw Jake do that here.

 

[Dback Jon]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I agree Russ, and the more I think about the more I resent him.

He was in a position to lead by example, but he only contributed to losing. Jurecki said that he was talking to someone in Denver's front office, and they said that Plummer was going to watch film. It was clear that it ticked off Jurecki, because Jurecki said that he never saw Jake do that here.

I resent him lack of preparation as well, but for gosh sakes, why did Trestman/Olson/Tobin/McGinnes/Ferguson ever make him watch film?? We were paying enough to expect that.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Dback Jon
I resent him lack of preparation as well, but for gosh sakes, why did Trestman/Olson/Tobin/McGinnes/Ferguson ever make him watch film?? We were paying enough to expect that.

I guess it would come down to Jake's decision. In this league, everyone is responsible for themselves. Jake makes decisions for himself, and regardless what the apologist think, he is accountable.

If I were to guess, I would say at least 80% of his picks were his own fault (probably more like 95%). I guess a lack of preparation lead him to all those picks....

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Dback Jon
I resent him lack of preparation as well, but for gosh sakes, why did Trestman/Olson/Tobin/McGinnes/Ferguson ever make him watch film?? We were paying enough to expect that.

You can lead a horse to water....

Jake could have easily been in the film room when he was supposed to be but that doesn't mean he was watching a single frame of film in there. I am not saying that is what happened but the coaches could have been getting him into the film room but at some point he needs to take action and actually watch and learn. This is likely how it happened because is this day and age in the NFL, I seriously doubt he simply never showeed up for his film sessions since, had that been the case, it would have come to light alot sooner than now.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I guess it would come down to Jake's decision. In this league, everyone is responsible for themselves. Jake makes decisions for himself, and regardless what the apologist think, he is accountable.

If I were to guess, I would say at least 80% of his picks were his own fault (probably more like 95%). I guess a lack of preparation lead him to all those picks....

It was an incredibly stupid thing for Jake to say, no matter the degree of truth. Remember last year when Jake wasn't throwing much early in camp because his arm was "overworked" from his offseason throwing? Now, you wonder if he wasn't working enough.

I met Jake once at the Cardinals facility before the 98 season. I had met him before, because his girlfriend was student teaching at the school I was working at at that time. So, he kind of recognized me. It was June, hotter than hell, and he was carrying a big fat binder, the playbook I assume. He told me he had worked out that morning, watched some film, and was off to do his "homework". I never thought how hard he worked during the offseason was an issue with his play. Maybe he's just not real bright?

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I agree Russ, and the more I think about the more I resent him.

He was in a position to lead by example, but he only contributed to losing. Jurecki said that he was talking to someone in Denver's front office, and they said that Plummer was going to watch film. It was clear that it ticked off Jurecki, because Jurecki said that he never saw Jake do that here.

I would be amazed if that was entirely true. I think Jake had to watch film, everyone does. Jurecki may mean watch as much film as he should have, or as other QB's do or something liek that but I simply can't believe an NFL starter could keep his job for 6 years playing that poorly and never watch films, no coach would stand for it.

I would bet that the real motivation for Jake saying what he said was an excuse for his time in Arizona. It's much easier to just knock the Cards than to come right out and say I never attended these workouts when I was a Cardinal.

Oh well water under the bridge I hope Jake becomes an experienced film critic in Denver!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
It was an incredibly stupid thing for Jake to say, no matter the degree of truth. Remember last year when Jake wasn't throwing much early in camp because his arm was "overworked" from his offseason throwing? Now, you wonder if he wasn't working enough.

I met Jake once at the Cardinals facility before the 98 season. I had met him before, because his girlfriend was student teaching at the school I was working at at that time. So, he kind of recognized me. It was June, hotter than hell, and he was carrying a big fat binder, the playbook I assume. He told me he had worked out that morning, watched some film, and was off to do his "homework". I never thought how hard he worked during the offseason was an issue with his play. Maybe he's just not real bright?

I definitely think Jake isn't very bright. I mean, we've watched him make stupid mistakes that 3rd year players don't make for 6 years.. Watching Pennington last year, really showed how a player can learn from his mistakes, and Jake obviously just isn't as smart as him.

I totally gave up on him during the Raiders game with the behind the back pass. That single play proved to me that he didn't "get it".

From what Jurecki said, it seems his work ethic was lacking, and to me a fan that doesn't get paid like he does, that's truly insulting. We all pay to go to games and pay him his fat paychecks, but he can't give us our moneys worth?

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I definitely think Jake isn't very bright. I mean, we've watched him make stupid mistakes that 3rd year players don't make for 6 years.. Watching Pennington last year, really showed how a player can learn from his mistakes, and Jake obviously just isn't as smart as him.

I totally gave up on him during the Raiders game with the behind the back pass. That single play proved to me that he didn't "get it".

From what Jurecki said, it seems his work ethic was lacking, and to me a fan that doesn't get paid like he does, that's truly insulting. We all pay to go to games and pay him his fat paychecks, but he can't give us our moneys worth?

It will be interesting to see how Jake fares in Denver though. His performance will likely end one sides arguments about his play here in AZ. I figure the odds are he will not play up to the level DEN...and most especially their fans...want him too. He is going to have to digest the Shanahan version of the WC offense and we know how that went here in AZ with Trestman.

I may lean towards what Russ is saying regarding Jake's statements being a way to make excuses. Again, I think most of us realize the Cards woes in the offseason conditioning area etc but when the team "leader" isn't doing anything or trying to effect change, then the ship is dead in the water.

 

[azdeftone]

You guys are a JOKE if you think he never watched film. That is a requirement for a QB its not like you get to choose what you want to do at your JOB. Of course he watched film you would be dumb to think not. You guys dont like plummer its perfectly clear and maybe he did not do everything he could here to get better, but what did the Cards do to get better?? Consistantly let good talent walk away and continue the losing tradition. Plummers gone and we'll see who has a better season plummer or Blake. Plummer has a chance now to play with some talent and I for one am curious to see how he does. If he sucks it up in Denver he will be pulled quickly and maybe thats what the cards should have done. If you have to constantly worry about your starting job I bet you work a hell of alot harder huh. Just an example of classic poor decisions the cards and their coaching staff make.

 

[Bobcat]

Give it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jake doesn't play for us any more!!! DA!!! GIVE IT UP!!!

Allan