Article on Plummer's first practice in Denver....

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by azdeftone
You guys are a JOKE if you think he never watched film. That is a requirement for a QB its not like you get to choose what you want to do at your JOB. Of course he watched film you would be dumb to think not. You guys dont like plummer its perfectly clear and maybe he did not do everything he could here to get better, but what did the Cards do to get better?? Consistantly let good talent walk away and continue the losing tradition. Plummers gone and we'll see who has a better season plummer or Blake. Plummer has a chance now to play with some talent and I for one am curious to see how he does. If he sucks it up in Denver he will be pulled quickly and maybe thats what the cards should have done. If you have to constantly worry about your starting job I bet you work a hell of alot harder huh. Just an example of classic poor decisions the cards and their coaching staff make.

Hey now, why do all of your post of have to degrade into insults? Do you lack the maturity to discuss a topic without insulting a fellow poster?

Jurecki, who is a huge Cardinal fan and has been a regular around the Tempe training facility for years, would know if Plummer watched film or not. And he said Jake didn't watch film regularly.....and boy, didn't it show by all the stupid mistakes.

 

[FJM]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Hey now, why do all of your post of have to degrade into insults? Do you lack the maturity to discuss a topic without insulting a fellow poster?

Jurecki, who is a huge Cardinal fan and has been a regular around the Tempe training facility for years, would know if Plummer watched film or not. And he said Jake didn't watch film regularly.....and boy, didn't it show by all the stupid mistakes.

Hey Krang, do you think Jurecki's slant could be due to the fact that Jake blew him off? In addition, it might be wise to take him with a larg grain of salt.
His track record this past couple of years is highly suspect.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by FJM
Hey Krang, do you think Jurecki's slant could be due to the fact that Jake blew him off? In addition, it might be wise to take him with a larg grain of salt.
His track record this past couple of years is highly suspect.

No. The tone of his voice showed that he was obviously upset by Plummer's comments. Plummer even contradicted himself by saying he never participated and that isn't wasn't very good (hmm....so how would you know it wasn't good, if you didn't go?) Also as a supposed leader (which any insider will you tell he was not) he should set an example by showing up.

You say his track record isn't very good, but that is highly debatable. He actually is right more often than not. And he is at the training facility a lot, so he would know how much time Plummer put in.

Lewis seemed to feel the same way as Jurecki, that Plummer wasn't exactly a hard worker and that he wasn't prepared enough (which was obvious with his poor skills at reading defenses).

 

[FJM]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
No. The tone of his voice showed that he was obviously upset by Plummer's comments. Plummer even contradicted himself by saying he never participated and that isn't wasn't very good (hmm....so how would you know it wasn't good, if you didn't go?) Also as a supposed leader (which any insider will you tell he was not) he should set an example by showing up.

You say his track record isn't very good, but that is highly debatable. He actually is right more often than not. And he is at the training facility a lot, so he would know how much time Plummer put in.

Lewis seemed to feel the same way as Jurecki, that Plummer wasn't exactly a hard worker and that he wasn't prepared enough (which was obvious with his poor skills at reading defenses).

Hmmm, what happened to all those references over the years of Jake and his receivers playing pitch and catch during the off season, Moore, Sanders, and yes, Boston as well.

Then we have all the charity functions that Jake held with Cardinal players, as well as players from other teams, in attendance.

Whether you like it or not Jake was well liked by the players as well as the Bidwill's. Would that be the case if he was a goof off? I also wonder why Jurecki never mentioned that Plummer and Bidwill would team up for charities and in one case they ponied up a quarter mill a piece for teenagers. Can't recall hearing or seeing anything about it from Jurecki.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by FJM
Hmmm, what happened to all those references over the years of Jake and his receivers playing pitch and catch during the off season, Moore, Sanders, and yes, Boston as well.

Then we have all the charity functions that Jake held with Cardinal players, as well as players from other teams, in attendance.

Whether you like it or not Jake was well liked by the players as well as the Bidwill's. Would that be the case if he was a goof off? I also wonder why Jurecki never mentioned that Plummer and Bidwill would team up for charities and in one case they ponied up a quarter mill a piece for teenagers. Can't recall hearing or seeing anything about it from Jurecki.

What does his charities have to do with anything?

And playing "pitch and catch" doesn't have to happen at the facility, they could've done it somewhere else.

From what it sounds like now, Jake never gave us his full effort off the field. I think you might want to ask Jim Omohundro about how close Jurecki is to the team (he will tell you that Jurecki is very close and has a great relationship with a lot of team).

From what I hear, Plummer was not that well liked by the players. Pete Kendall didn't even mention him when he was talking about the leaders of the team (again according to Lewis and Jurecki). They said that at about week five of the season.

 

[FJM]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
What does his charities have to do with anything?

And playing "pitch and catch" doesn't have to happen at the facility, they could've done it somewhere else.

From what it sounds like now, Jake never gave us his full effort off the field. I think you might want to ask Jim Omohundro about how close Jurecki is to the team (he will tell you that Jurecki is very close and has a great relationship with a lot of team).

From what I hear, Plummer was not that well liked by the players. Pete Kendall didn't even mention him when he was talking about the leaders of the team (again according to Lewis and Jurecki). They said that at about week five of the season.

Now what would Pete Kendall know about leaders. He's on the bench nursing his injuries while Jake was playing and taking the hits.
If what you say about Jurecki is true those players better watch their backsides.

Could have done it somewhere else?????? Sure, but what difference would it have made? The point being they did work together on the important stuff during the off season and they did it at the Cardinal complex.

Now, I'm sure you are aware that alot of players use personal trainers during the off season and know one has suggested that Jake was ever out of shape. He was one of the most durable players on the team and when Pete Kendall blew a block he was the one that paid the price.

I only hope that Blake and McCown will hold up as well.

 

[Sandan]

I thought Pete Kendall played all if not almost the entire season.

I don't remember him riding the bench ?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by nidan
I thought Pete Kendall played all if not almost the entire season.

I don't remember him riding the bench ?

He was injured for like 6 games.

But the point is: Kendall is a leader and Plummer was not. Jurecki again and again has stated that the fans think that Plummer was a leader, but anyone close to the organization knows that isn't true.

FJM is so blinded by his Plummer love, that he will defend him to no end, even criticizing the hardest working leader on the team.

 

[azdeftone]

Some would say krang is guided by his dislike for plummer period so he interprets things differently than an objective person.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by azdeftone
Some would say krang is guided by his dislike for plummer period so he interprets things differently than an objective person.

Whatever you say Azdeftone.

I was a huge Plummer fan, but he never performed.

Let's look at this objectively.

1. Plummer had a similar Qb rating to two rookies last year, playing on much worse offenses than Plummer (Carr and Harrington).

2. He has a losing record as a starter.

3. He has thrown a good many more interceptions than tds.

4. He consistently has completed less than 60% of his passes.

Those are facts. Whether you choose to ignore them or not, those show that he is not a good Qb. Maybe you need to take of your rosy colored Plummer glasses and put down the Plummer flavored kool aid, and look at it OBJECTIVELY!

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by FJM
Hmmm, what happened to all those references over the years of Jake and his receivers playing pitch and catch during the off season, Moore, Sanders, and yes, Boston as well.

Then we have all the charity functions that Jake held with Cardinal players, as well as players from other teams, in attendance.

Whether you like it or not Jake was well liked by the players as well as the Bidwill's. Would that be the case if he was a goof off? I also wonder why Jurecki never mentioned that Plummer and Bidwill would team up for charities and in one case they ponied up a quarter mill a piece for teenagers. Can't recall hearing or seeing anything about it from Jurecki.

With all due respect I would bet if Zach Randolph held a charity function today he could get Ruben Patterson to appear. Players understand the impact both in terms of raising money for a good cause, and getting positive PR for themselves, their team, etc. I guarantee you lots of players would attend for charity whether they liked Jake(or anybody else) or not.

It's also a totally different issue leadership is on and off the field "in football". If Jake really felt that the Cards were doing something wrong and it was hurting the team, he should have used his position to push for change.

 

[Chopper0080]

For starters this isn't a huge deal and why do you all really care what Jake Plummer says about Arizona (though this really wasn't a slam at all). You guys should all know that it is better and more exciting to play for a team with fans that want you and Jake did not get that here. What, should he be happy with all the crap that he went through in the desert? Now, don't get me wrong, I was as happy as the rest of you when Jake was signed because his time was done here but why is everybody trying to crucify him by overanalyzing his every comment? In a nutshell Jake is very happy at getting a new start and I can't blame him.

What we all need to do is stop acting like a bunch of bitter ex-girlfriends and move on. Be happy that our former QB is getting another chance to prove he can be successful. If he does well, great, if he does poorly, too bad. Other than that, why is it a huge deal?

I personally believe that he will succeed in Denver, but that is another post in and of itself. Basically revolves around the fact that Jake is a leader on the field and Denver lacks any leaders on offense.