Bad News for Matty

[Legend of Gunny]

Graves talking about Anquan Boldin:

Graves remains optimistic the club can re-sign the receiver, although the two sides have not negotiated since last summer. "He's made it clear he didn't want to talk until the end of the season," Graves said. "My sense is he's enjoying this team and likes playing with Kurt and in this offense."

Great post, RolleRocks! Looks like Graves understands that one of the keys to keeping Boldin is to re-sign Warner. It's as elementary as 2+2=4.

Boldin also backed Matt during the offseason because he thought he would excell more with Matt who throws more underneath stuff then Warner who at the time was locking onto Fitz the last 8 games of last season. Boldin wont mind playing with either QB. The scheme will be the same for Both QB's concerning Boldin. Wildcat formation, run plays, reverses, WR screens, quick hitters and so on, doesnt matter which QB it is Boldin will be used the same.

Wow... Where to begin?

First of all, the dropoff from Warner to Leinart is almost too steep to fathom... reminds me of the dropoff from Tony Romo down to Brad Johnson.

Perhaps "joeshmoe" has forgotten that, with identical weapons at wide receiver last season, Matt Leinart averaged 129 passing yards per game (lowest in the NFL), posted a 61.9 passer rating (also lowest in the NFL), only 5.8 YPA, and only completed about 53% of his passes. Through 5 games, he tossed 1 touchdown to Boldin and ZERO to Larry Fitzgerald. And he threw 2 interceptions for every touchdown. Were he not injured, he was on pace to finish the season with 6 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, and 2070 yards.

That same season, Warner finished with an 89.8 passer rating and tossed 1 touchdown per game EACH to Fitzgerald AND Boldin, and finished in the top-10 in most QB categories -- including touchdowns, yards per game, touchdowns per game, completion %, YPA, etc, etc... In the 2nd half of 2007, Warner threw even more TD's than Tom Brady during his record-breaking season.

And this season, there's a very good possibility Warner will have 3 receivers with over 1000 yards (only been done twice before in NFL history). So posters such as "joeshmoe" should really spare the forum mindless drivel about Warner "locking onto" a receiver. Kurt is the master at locking onto 4 or 5 simultaneously.

And to claim that our great wide receivers wouldn't have a QB preference... or that Boldin will be used the same regardless of who's at QB is absurd.

It is unchallengable fact that Boldin and Fitzgerald were under-used with Leinart. Were the Cardinals to return to Leinart, history has shown that Fitzgerald and Boldin again become the most expensive decoys in the NFL as Leinart "locks onto" the checkdown receiver. It's as elementary as Leinart+Fitz+Q+BJ=129.

And can anyone imagine combining Leinart with our pathetic running game? I can, and it looks like an ugly 2-14 season.

Finally, would Graves and Whisenhunt really want to take the huge risk of letting our MVP-caliber quarterback walk to the Vikings with Leinart's history of fragility?? After all, Matt has suffered 2 season-ending injuries in his last 5 sacks!

 

[dogpoo32]

Great post, RolleRocks! Looks like Graves understands that one of the keys to keeping Boldin is to re-sign Warner. It's as elementary as 2+2=4.


Wow... Where to begin?

First of all, the dropoff from Warner to Leinart is almost too steep to fathom... reminds me of the dropoff from Tony Romo down to Brad Johnson.

Perhaps "joeshmoe" has forgotten that, with identical weapons at wide receiver last season, Matt Leinart averaged 129 passing yards per game (lowest in the NFL), posted a 61.9 passer rating (also lowest in the NFL), only 5.8 YPA, and only completed about 53% of his passes. Through 5 games, he tossed 1 touchdown to Boldin and ZERO to Larry Fitzgerald. And he threw 2 interceptions for every touchdown. Were he not injured, he was on pace to finish the season with 6 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, and 2070 yards.

That same season, Warner finished with an 89.8 passer rating and tossed 1 touchdown per game EACH to Fitzgerald AND Boldin, and finished in the top-10 in most QB categories -- including touchdowns, yards per game, touchdowns per game, completion %, YPA, etc, etc... In the 2nd half of 2007, Warner threw even more TD's than Tom Brady during his record-breaking season.

And this season, there's a very good possibility Warner will have 3 receivers with over 1000 yards (only been done twice before in NFL history). So posters such as "joeshmoe" should really spare the forum mindless drivel about Warner "locking onto" a receiver. Kurt is the master at locking onto 4 or 5 simultaneously.

And to claim that our great wide receivers wouldn't have a QB preference... or that Boldin will be used the same regardless of who's at QB is absurd.

It is unchallengable fact that Boldin and Fitzgerald were under-used with Leinart. Were the Cardinals to return to Leinart, history has shown that Fitzgerald and Boldin again become the most expensive decoys in the NFL as Leinart "locks onto" the checkdown receiver. It's as elementary as Leinart+Fitz+Q+BJ=129.

And can anyone imagine combining Leinart with our pathetic running game? I can, and it looks like an ugly 2-14 season.

Finally, would Graves and Whisenhunt really want to take the huge risk of letting our MVP-caliber quarterback walk to the Vikings with Leinart's history of fragility?? After all, Matt has suffered 2 season-ending injuries in his last 5 sacks!

You know this how? Would Matt put up the numbers Kurt has? Who knows. Would Matt turn the ball over like Kurt has? Who knows. We don't know. All I know is Kurt is old, can light up the scoreboard, and turns it over too much.

 

[Assface]

I know you St Louis guys have fond memories of Kurt as a Ram but trashing Leinart is just lame.

 

[red desert]

Great post, RolleRocks! Looks like Graves understands that one of the keys to keeping Boldin is to re-sign Warner. It's as elementary as 2+2=4.


Wow... Where to begin?

First of all, the dropoff from Warner to Leinart is almost too steep to fathom... reminds me of the dropoff from Tony Romo down to Brad Johnson.

Perhaps "joeshmoe" has forgotten that, with identical weapons at wide receiver last season, Matt Leinart averaged 129 passing yards per game (lowest in the NFL), posted a 61.9 passer rating (also lowest in the NFL), only 5.8 YPA, and only completed about 53% of his passes. Through 5 games, he tossed 1 touchdown to Boldin and ZERO to Larry Fitzgerald. And he threw 2 interceptions for every touchdown. Were he not injured, he was on pace to finish the season with 6 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, and 2070 yards.

That same season, Warner finished with an 89.8 passer rating and tossed 1 touchdown per game EACH to Fitzgerald AND Boldin, and finished in the top-10 in most QB categories -- including touchdowns, yards per game, touchdowns per game, completion %, YPA, etc, etc... In the 2nd half of 2007, Warner threw even more TD's than Tom Brady during his record-breaking season.

And this season, there's a very good possibility Warner will have 3 receivers with over 1000 yards (only been done twice before in NFL history). So posters such as "joeshmoe" should really spare the forum mindless drivel about Warner "locking onto" a receiver. Kurt is the master at locking onto 4 or 5 simultaneously.

And to claim that our great wide receivers wouldn't have a QB preference... or that Boldin will be used the same regardless of who's at QB is absurd.

It is unchallengable fact that Boldin and Fitzgerald were under-used with Leinart. Were the Cardinals to return to Leinart, history has shown that Fitzgerald and Boldin again become the most expensive decoys in the NFL as Leinart "locks onto" the checkdown receiver. It's as elementary as Leinart+Fitz+Q+BJ=129.

And can anyone imagine combining Leinart with our pathetic running game? I can, and it looks like an ugly 2-14 season.

Finally, would Graves and Whisenhunt really want to take the huge risk of letting our MVP-caliber quarterback walk to the Vikings with Leinart's history of fragility?? After all, Matt has suffered 2 season-ending injuries in his last 5 sacks!

You make some compelling points. I like the way you think. Good post.

 

[notaxforme]

Great post, RolleRocks! Looks like Graves understands that one of the keys to keeping Boldin is to re-sign Warner. It's as elementary as 2+2=4.


Wow... Where to begin?

First of all, the dropoff from Warner to Leinart is almost too steep to fathom... reminds me of the dropoff from Tony Romo down to Brad Johnson.

Perhaps "joeshmoe" has forgotten that, with identical weapons at wide receiver last season, Matt Leinart averaged 129 passing yards per game (lowest in the NFL), posted a 61.9 passer rating (also lowest in the NFL), only 5.8 YPA, and only completed about 53% of his passes. Through 5 games, he tossed 1 touchdown to Boldin and ZERO to Larry Fitzgerald. And he threw 2 interceptions for every touchdown. Were he not injured, he was on pace to finish the season with 6 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, and 2070 yards.

That same season, Warner finished with an 89.8 passer rating and tossed 1 touchdown per game EACH to Fitzgerald AND Boldin, and finished in the top-10 in most QB categories -- including touchdowns, yards per game, touchdowns per game, completion %, YPA, etc, etc... In the 2nd half of 2007, Warner threw even more TD's than Tom Brady during his record-breaking season.

And this season, there's a very good possibility Warner will have 3 receivers with over 1000 yards (only been done twice before in NFL history). So posters such as "joeshmoe" should really spare the forum mindless drivel about Warner "locking onto" a receiver. Kurt is the master at locking onto 4 or 5 simultaneously.

And to claim that our great wide receivers wouldn't have a QB preference... or that Boldin will be used the same regardless of who's at QB is absurd.

It is unchallengable fact that Boldin and Fitzgerald were under-used with Leinart. Were the Cardinals to return to Leinart, history has shown that Fitzgerald and Boldin again become the most expensive decoys in the NFL as Leinart "locks onto" the checkdown receiver. It's as elementary as Leinart+Fitz+Q+BJ=129.

And can anyone imagine combining Leinart with our pathetic running game? I can, and it looks like an ugly 2-14 season.

Finally, would Graves and Whisenhunt really want to take the huge risk of letting our MVP-caliber quarterback walk to the Vikings with Leinart's history of fragility?? After all, Matt has suffered 2 season-ending injuries in his last 5 sacks!

I'm having a problem coming up with the 2 victories. No running game combined with an unproven QB = a nightmare scenario.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Great post, RolleRocks! Looks like Graves understands that one of the keys to keeping Boldin is to re-sign Warner. It's as elementary as 2+2=4.


Wow... Where to begin?

First of all, the dropoff from Warner to Leinart is almost too steep to fathom... reminds me of the dropoff from Tony Romo down to Brad Johnson.

Perhaps "joeshmoe" has forgotten that, with identical weapons at wide receiver last season, Matt Leinart averaged 129 passing yards per game (lowest in the NFL), posted a 61.9 passer rating (also lowest in the NFL), only 5.8 YPA, and only completed about 53% of his passes. Through 5 games, he tossed 1 touchdown to Boldin and ZERO to Larry Fitzgerald. And he threw 2 interceptions for every touchdown. Were he not injured, he was on pace to finish the season with 6 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, and 2070 yards.

That same season, Warner finished with an 89.8 passer rating and tossed 1 touchdown per game EACH to Fitzgerald AND Boldin, and finished in the top-10 in most QB categories -- including touchdowns, yards per game, touchdowns per game, completion %, YPA, etc, etc... In the 2nd half of 2007, Warner threw even more TD's than Tom Brady during his record-breaking season.

And this season, there's a very good possibility Warner will have 3 receivers with over 1000 yards (only been done twice before in NFL history). So posters such as "joeshmoe" should really spare the forum mindless drivel about Warner "locking onto" a receiver. Kurt is the master at locking onto 4 or 5 simultaneously.

And to claim that our great wide receivers wouldn't have a QB preference... or that Boldin will be used the same regardless of who's at QB is absurd.

It is unchallengable fact that Boldin and Fitzgerald were under-used with Leinart. Were the Cardinals to return to Leinart, history has shown that Fitzgerald and Boldin again become the most expensive decoys in the NFL as Leinart "locks onto" the checkdown receiver. It's as elementary as Leinart+Fitz+Q+BJ=129.

And can anyone imagine combining Leinart with our pathetic running game? I can, and it looks like an ugly 2-14 season.

Finally, would Graves and Whisenhunt really want to take the huge risk of letting our MVP-caliber quarterback walk to the Vikings with Leinart's history of fragility?? After all, Matt has suffered 2 season-ending injuries in his last 5 sacks!

You are gonna get blasted for this post, but I agree with most of it. Good job. Cant say I agree with singling out posters, but to each their own I guess.

I too have been very worried at what would happen if Matt were to come in, as he has absolutely zero run game to lean on. We would have won more than 2 games though IMO.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I'm having a problem coming up with the 2 victories. No running game combined with an unproven QB = a nightmare scenario.

RolleRocks I suggest you stop re-registering to back up your own posts.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

You are gonna get blasted for this post, but I agree with most of it. Good job.

I too have been very worried at what would happen if Matt were to come in, as he has absolutely zero run game to lean on. We would have won more than 2 games though IMO.

Pretty sure it's the same guy.

 

[D-Dogg]

I'm having a problem coming up with the 2 victories. No running game combined with an unproven QB = a nightmare scenario.

I have a feeling we'll be improving the running game this offseason. Just an off chance. Probably starting with Alex Mack in the first round.

And while Kurt should get another year, some people need to face the reality that we are on borrowed time with him. Bashing Matt is silly because a) Warner is an injury away from the bench, as everyone is and b) it's doubtful he's not improving right now. And it isn't like the guy can't throw the ball, if you'll recall he set a rookie record for passing with 400 yards in Minnesota.

 

[BigRedArk]

I have a feeling we'll be improving the running game this offseason. Just an off chance. Probably starting with Alex Mack in the first round.

And while Kurt should get another year, some people need to face the reality that we are on borrowed time with him. Bashing Matt is silly because a) Warner is an injury away from the bench, as everyone is and b) it's doubtful he's not improving right now. And it isn't like the guy can't throw the ball, if you'll recall he set a rookie record for passing with 400 yards in Minnesota.

What he said!

 

[red desert]

Geez. Chill out.

Legend's post isn't about knocking Leinart. It's about how neither Leinart, nor 90 percent of any other qb in the nfl, could have the success and amass the numbers that Warner has this season. That's it.

Simply put, Warner is having a magical season -- one that ONLY Kurt Warner could have.

It was a solid post. Too bad so many of us are so full of ourselves that we have to knock others' posts when it really is not warranted.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

This crap is starting to get insane. I feel like I am watching the end of The Usual Suspects and the montage is playing with a Legend of Gunny, Rolle rocks, noaxefor posts slicing through my head.

The reality is the Warner jock boys are going to look at the Leinart low lights and extrapolate that craptastic thinking into doomsday scenarios. Maybe logic would prevail and you could attribute it to a young QB and learning new system rather then being a bust of epic proportions. And thats failing to acknowledge any of the good he has done including beating top nothc teams, throwing for 400 yards, and looking good in 3 out of 4 preseason games this year.

Hey LOG/RR/NOAXE - your thinking is flawed in that Warner and the shotgun we use 82% of the time to keep him upright is what hurts our run game so much. Same with our defense that continually gets maligned for giving up TD's with short fields.

Would Leinart throw up the same numbers as Kurt this season? Probably not. Would Breaston and Boldin and Fitz have as good as numbers? Proabably not. But our team would be constituted alot differently and we would still have a good passing game (what would Boldin and Fitz just shrivel up and die all of a sudden if Leinart was QB?) and we would have more manageable field position and a better base offense with which to run. So we would be different but we would still win.

FOOTBALL IS NOT PLAYED IN A VACUM. WINS AND LOSSES ARE NOT BASED ON FANTASY NUMBERS. EVERYONE WILL TELL YOU PLAYING WARNER-BALL IS NOT THE WAY TO CONSITENTLY WIN IN THE NFL. ITS NOT EVEN WIZ'S PREFERENCE. HE'S JUST PLAYING THE CARDS HE"S DEALT.

Right now we are playing to the strength of our starting QB. If Leinart was QB we would have a different game plan.

That garbage page long post of yours that trys to rip Joe (who knows more about football then you could learn in 6 lifetimes) is based on elementary arguments (like Kurt Warner is the reason/difference between 6 wins this year so far - ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME????) and doesnt' give enough credit to the coaching staff, defense, or anyone else.

You Warner Jock sniffers make me sick. And in no way I am refering to rational posters who happen to prefer Warner like Mitch, 82, and even Mokler.

I am looking at you Rollerocks. No poster has ever irritated me more. I am okay with dissenting opinions but your logic, context, and overall style drives me nute.

I can't wait for your inevitable banning.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Geez. Chill out.

Legend's post isn't about knocking Leinart. It's about how neither Leinart, nor 90 percent of any other qb in the nfl, could have the success and amass the numbers that Warner has this season. That's it.

Simply put, Warner is having a magical season -- one that ONLY Kurt Warner could have.

It was a solid post. Too bad so many of us are so full of ourselves that we have to knock others' posts when it really is not warranted.

You mean RolleRocks Post

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Geez. Chill out.

Legend's post isn't about knocking Leinart. It's about how neither Leinart, nor 90 percent of any other qb in the nfl, could have the success and amass the numbers that Warner has this season. That's it.

Simply put, Warner is having a magical season -- one that ONLY Kurt Warner could have.

It was a solid post. Too bad so many of us are so full of ourselves that we have to knock others' posts when it really is not warranted.

I don't care if he is knocking Leinart or not. I am debunking his flawed logic.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Arizona's Finest, don't turn this into a flame war.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Arizona's Finest, don't turn this into a flame war.

Just driving me crazy Chris. I have held off on using the ignore feature because I am open minded and want to hear what others think.

Not anymore. I'll let others carry on this fight.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Great post, RolleRocks! Looks like Graves understands that one of the keys to keeping Boldin is to re-sign Warner. It's as elementary as 2+2=4.


Wow... Where to begin?

First of all, the dropoff from Warner to Leinart is almost too steep to fathom... reminds me of the dropoff from Tony Romo down to Brad Johnson.

Perhaps "joeshmoe" has forgotten that, with identical weapons at wide receiver last season, Matt Leinart averaged 129 passing yards per game (lowest in the NFL), posted a 61.9 passer rating (also lowest in the NFL), only 5.8 YPA, and only completed about 53% of his passes. Through 5 games, he tossed 1 touchdown to Boldin and ZERO to Larry Fitzgerald. And he threw 2 interceptions for every touchdown. Were he not injured, he was on pace to finish the season with 6 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, and 2070 yards.

That same season, Warner finished with an 89.8 passer rating and tossed 1 touchdown per game EACH to Fitzgerald AND Boldin, and finished in the top-10 in most QB categories -- including touchdowns, yards per game, touchdowns per game, completion %, YPA, etc, etc... In the 2nd half of 2007, Warner threw even more TD's than Tom Brady during his record-breaking season.

And this season, there's a very good possibility Warner will have 3 receivers with over 1000 yards (only been done twice before in NFL history). So posters such as "joeshmoe" should really spare the forum mindless drivel about Warner "locking onto" a receiver. Kurt is the master at locking onto 4 or 5 simultaneously.

And to claim that our great wide receivers wouldn't have a QB preference... or that Boldin will be used the same regardless of who's at QB is absurd.

It is unchallengable fact that Boldin and Fitzgerald were under-used with Leinart. Were the Cardinals to return to Leinart, history has shown that Fitzgerald and Boldin again become the most expensive decoys in the NFL as Leinart "locks onto" the checkdown receiver. It's as elementary as Leinart+Fitz+Q+BJ=129.

And can anyone imagine combining Leinart with our pathetic running game? I can, and it looks like an ugly 2-14 season.

Finally, would Graves and Whisenhunt really want to take the huge risk of letting our MVP-caliber quarterback walk to the Vikings with Leinart's history of fragility?? After all, Matt has suffered 2 season-ending injuries in his last 5 sacks!

Come on I'm a bit of a Warnerphile and I'd give ML more credit than that. Even with all the problems you mentioned and all the greatness of Kurt Warner, I still think this team would have gone 6-10. The wins being:

1. Both games against the Lambs (though they both would have been close). 2
2. A split with the 49ers. 1
3. A split with the Sqwauks. 1
4. A split with the Bills and Dolphins. 1
5. A split with the Cowboys and Vikings. 1

That'd be 6-10 on the season, 2nd place to the 49ers, and no playoffs. The 49ers are looking pretty good and a very strong season is very probable for them next year.

 

[jefftheshark]

Come on I'm a bit of a Warnerphile and I'd give ML more credit than that. Even with all the problems you mentioned and all the greatness of Kurt Warner, I still think this team would have gone 6-10. The wins being:

1. Both games against the Lambs (though they both would have been close). 2
2. A split with the 49ers. 1
3. A split with the Sqwauks. 1
4. A split with the Bills and Dolphins. 1
5. A split with the Cowboys and Vikings. 1

That'd be 6-10 on the season, 2nd place to the 49ers, and no playoffs. The 49ers are looking pretty good and a very strong season is very probable for them next year.

So, we're officially in Fantasyland now. Hey, we now know how many wins Leinart would have had, if he had played in some strange parallel universe!

This is like some old SNL sketch with the Superfans:

Bill Swerski: Okay, well.. I see now that it's almost time for the foregone conclusion that is today's game.

Pat Arnold; Not gonna be pretty!

Todd O'Conner: Warner!

Superfans: Warner!!

Bill Swerski: Now, gentlemen, let me ask you this: What if The Cards were all 14 inches tall, you know, about so high? Now, what's your score of today's game?

Carl Wollarski: Against Da Vikes?

Bill Swerski: Yes, give 'em a handicap.

Carl Wollarski: Cards 18, Vikings 10. And that would finally be a good game.

Pat Arnold: Yeah, it would be a good game. Mini Cards 24, Giants 14.

Todd O'Conner: What about Warner? Would he be mini, too?

Bill Swerski: No, he would be full-grown.

Todd O'Conner: Oh, then, uh.. Mini Cards 31, Vikings 7.

Carl Wollarski: Oh, hold on. Then I change mine, too. I thought it was Mini Warner.

Bill Swerski: Okay, gentlemen, another scenario: The Cards, they don't make it, the bus is delayed.. and the only one who shows up is Warner. Warner vs. Da Vikes. Okay, score, gentlemen.

Pat Arnold: Alright, I gotta say Warner 17, Vikes 14. He just barely gets by.

Bill Swerski: Alright, that sounds exciting. Perhaps, you know, a late Warner field goal.

Todd O'Conner: Warner!

Superfans: Warner!!

[ Danny Sheridan enters round table discussion ]

Bill Swerski: Hey! As you fans know, sports celebrities like to frequent our establishment. And oddsmaker Danny Sheridan has just sat down with us. Now, Danny.. what would the point spread be for a game like that? Warner vs. Da Vikes. Now, remember, it's only Warner, not the regular Cards team.

Danny Sheridan: Okay. I'm gonna say the Vikes by about.. [ thinking ] ..800.

Bill Swerski: Great, Danny. Now, are you from Minnesota?

Carl Wollarski: He lives in Minnesota, eh, Pat?

Bill Swerski: You like it there. You can stay there, as far as I'm concerned.

Danny Sheridan: No, it's just that.. it's one guy, you know-

Bill Swerski: Yeah, that's alright. Just take your crack pipe and go home! Get outta here, Danny!

Todd O'Conner: Yeah, go shoot a moose or something!

[ Danny Sheridan exits the room ]

Bill Swerski: Alright, now let's get back to our discussion. Warner vs. the Assembled Choir of Heavenly Angels.

Pat Arnold: The whole choir?

Bill Swerski: Well, Saraphone, Jerebone - the whole nine yards.

Pat Arnold: Angels.

Carl Wollarski: Angels, but it's close.

Todd O'Conner: Warner!

Bill Swerski: Alright. Warner vs. God in a golf match. Now, he's a good golfer.

Pat Arnold: Warner.

Todd O'Conner: Warner!

Carl Wollarski: Kurt.

Bill Swerski: Well, I see they're setting up the 40-foot screen, so I guess it's game time. Now, you enjoy the game, folks. Now, remember, next week - Warner-Pats. Alright, now Warner vs Stephen Douglas in a debate, what do you think?

Superfans: Warner!! Warner!



JTS

 

[IAWarnerFan]

I still stand by what I said tho. That's honestly how I feel about it. It's not fair to compare ML to Warner tho. Warner is a future Hall Of Famer and we have yet to find out if ML is even all that great at QB.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I have noticed an influx of Warner fans coming over to ASFN these past few weeks with the same bash Leinart and anyone else on or associated with the team who is not Warner mindset. The other Cardinals forum has become a Warner fan site full of flaming and arguing. As a Card fan I really find it unreadable. I hope that doesn't happen here.
As for the topic at hand Q will be back and so will Warner. I fully trust Wiz'a judgement no matter who starts. I am looking forward to another great year and watching ALL the Cardinals.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

I have noticed an influx of Warner fans coming over to ASFN these past few weeks with the same bash Leinart and anyone else on or associated with the team who is not Warner mindset. The other Cardinals forum has become a Warner fan site full of flaming and arguing. As a Card fan I really find it unreadable. I hope that doesn't happen here.
As for the topic at hand Q will be back and so will Warner. I fully trust Wiz'a judgement no matter who starts. I am looking forward to another great year and watching ALL the Cardinals.

That's strange, the other forum I'm on is completely behind Kurt Warner (and have been the entire season) and doing everything possible in order to keep him as starter next year.

 

[PoolBoy]

gosh...st.pierre must get pantsed in the locker room daily.

 

[joeshmo]

Great post, RolleRocks! Looks like Graves understands that one of the keys to keeping Boldin is to re-sign Warner. It's as elementary as 2+2=4.

Wow.. Where to begin?

Boldin will stay here because he gets paid not becuase of the QB. Boldin didnt know who the QB was going to be before the season started, He must have wanted more money because Matt was the starter but now that Warner is the starter he doesnt want that money anymore. Now I see where Boldin is coming from, all this time I thought he wanted more money to be paid like he should be paid, instead it was becuase who the QB was. He is undoubtedly going to lower his demands now.

Perhaps "joeshmoe" has forgotten that, with identical weapons at wide receiver last season, Matt Leinart averaged 129 passing yards per game (lowest in the NFL), posted a 61.9 passer rating (also lowest in the NFL), only 5.8 YPA, and only completed about 53% of his passes. Through 5 games, he tossed 1 touchdown to Boldin and ZERO to Larry Fitzgerald. And he threw 2 interceptions for every touchdown. Were he not injured, he was on pace to finish the season with 6 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, and 2070 yards.

And this season, there's a very good possibility Warner will have 3 receivers with over 1000 yards (only been done twice before in NFL history). So posters such as "joeshmoe" should really spare the forum mindless drivel about Warner "locking onto" a receiver. Kurt is the master at locking onto 4 or 5 simultaneously.

And to claim that our great wide receivers wouldn't have a QB preference... or that Boldin will be used the same regardless of who's at QB is absurd.

Mindless drivel? Apparently reading is no longer fundamental. I really think people dont know how to comprehend what they read anymore. I blame the fad of the texting and email language for that instead of actually talking to people in real english.

You just did a long post that had nothing to do with my comment and way off the mark. First, nowhere did I state Matt to be better then Warner, In fact if the Noob has read this board at all I have clearly stated many times I want Warner extended. Second, I only brought up comments from Boldin himself, so would you call Boldins comments about him prefering Matt the start of last offseason "mindless drivel" to, so if you have a problem with the comments from Boldin the beginning of the season take issue with his comments not my post. Third, concerning Boldin being used the same I was clearly talking about him being used the same in terms of scheme and no where did I bring up stats. But hey I dont want to stop a clearly misdirected rant, so rant on.

Seems that people must go into misguided extremes to make their points nowadays. But coming from a guy who tries using three different logins I wouldnt expect anything less.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Seems that people must go into misguided extremes to make their points nowadays.

Or sign in as multiple other users to trick other members into thinking that someone rational actually agrees with his lineof thinking and alternately patting himself on the back.

If I wasn't at work I would register and sign in as someone new and start a posts "Great Point Arizona's Finest!!" and start a 12 page threadmocking the hell out of this guy.

Whatever. Your better then that Joe then to have to explain yourself. I, along with CT, hope this board doesn't disinigrate into the crap that is the "official team" board.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Perhaps "joeshmoe" has forgotten that, with identical weapons at wide receiver last season, Matt Leinart averaged 129 passing yards per game (lowest in the NFL), posted a 61.9 passer rating (also lowest in the NFL), only 5.8 YPA, and only completed about 53% of his passes. Through 5 games, he tossed 1 touchdown to Boldin and ZERO to Larry Fitzgerald. And he threw 2 interceptions for every touchdown. Were he not injured, he was on pace to finish the season with 6 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, and 2070 yards.

Uh, Leinart and Warner were splitting time last year......thus the low numbers. Not to say Warner didn't play WAY better than Leinart but the point of the matter is those numbers are skewed.

Finally, would Graves and Whisenhunt really want to take the huge risk of letting our MVP-caliber quarterback walk to the Vikings with Leinart's history of fragility?? After all, Matt has suffered 2 season-ending injuries in his last 5 sacks!

LOL, and Warner is Mr.Durability ?

And this season, there's a very good possibility Warner will have 3 receivers with over 1000 yards (only been done twice before in NFL history). So posters such as "joeshmoe" should really spare the forum mindless drivel about Warner "locking onto" a receiver. Kurt is the master at locking onto 4 or 5 simultaneously.

I guess this is why this guy got banned. That is some serious jumps in logic, and assumptions. I don't see any of that stated anywhere.



My only question is whether Warner has chaffe marks from this many people humping his leg.

Warner is playing exetremely well, and is carrying this team, but for Pete's SAKE.....