Before Real Training Camp Starts: 53 man roster prediction!

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Since we're still killing some time before the real training camp starts, and the discussion on my NFL Power Rankings seems to have petered out (y'all are going to be surprised by the Vikes, guys! Don't sleep on them!), I thought I'd post a quick 53-man roster/depth chart prediction:

OFFENSE: 25 total

QB (3)
: Matt Leinart, Kurt Warner, Shane Boyd. Whis would really prefer to only keep 2 QBs, but Warner's made of glass and there's no guarantee that Leinart can make it through 16 games this season.

RB (3): Edgerrin James, Marcel Shipp, J.J. Arrington. Arrington will show in the preseason that he can be depended upon to work in a committee should the worst happen to James.

FB (1): Terrelle Smith. Smith hasn't missed a game in 3 years in Cleveland. Whis is going to guess that he can keep that streak alive.

WR (6): Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Bryant Johnson, Sean Morey, Michael Spurlock, Steve Breaston. The first four are locks to make the roster. Spurlock stays because he can work in trick plays, go over the middle, and be a heady contributor on special teams.

TE (3): Leonard Pope, Troy Bienemann, Ben Patrick. Likely one of the latter two players will be demoted to the practice squad when the Cards acquire a veteran blocking TE after Week 1. Patrick has a lot to prove in this camp.

OT (4): Mike Gandy (L), Levi Brown (R), Oliver Ross (R), Brandon Gorin (L). Gorin's spot is the least secure, but they'll likely keep 4 tackles.

OG (3): Duce Lutui (R), Reggie Wells (L), Elton Brown. Oliver Ross gives the Cards additional depth at Guard, while Wells gives the Cards extra depth at Tackle. Both are insurance policies against Elton Brown having to play a down.

OC (2): Al Johnson, Nick Leckey. This will be the training camp battle that never was. Giving Johnson all that money was a huge risk for General Manager Rod Graves, if Leckey ends up starting it would be a PR disaster.


DEFENSE: 25 total
NT (3)
: Gabe Watson, Alan Branch, Jonathan Lewis. Watson will be the starter, but both gentlemen at the top of the depth chart should see plenty of time. Pendergast will hope Lewis can contribute similarly to how Jonathan Babineaux was able to perform his first season in Atlanta.

DE (4): Darnell Dockett, Antonio Smith, Rodney Bailey, Chris Cooper. This is easily the weakest position in the Cards transition to the 3-4 defense. They lack a playmaker like the Dallas Cowboys' Marcus Spears or San Diego's Luis Castillo, as well as solid depth. They are toing to have to settle with a mismatched player in Dockett and three lunchpail guys who will do whatever you ask them to.

OLB (4): Bertrand Berry (L), Chike Okeafor (R), Calvin Pace, Daryl Blackstock. There's actually solid depth in this unit, as long as Berry is able to make a swift transition to the 3-4 OLB position (the single biggest story of the Arizona Cardinals training camp). Both backups will contribute.

ILB (4): Gerald Hayes (R), Karlos Dansby (L), Monty Beisel, Buster Davis. This is the unit that probably has the most pressure on its shoulders and the most to prove. Dansby's in a contract year, but the pressure is on all the players. Beisel and Davis should excel on special teams.

S (4): Adrian Wilson (S), Terrance Holt (F), Aaron Francisco (S), Hanik Milligan (S). The three players at the top of the depth chart will see tons of time during the games, as Pendergast likes to deploy 3 safety sets in obvious passing situations.

DC (6): Antrel Rolle (R), Roderick Hood (L), Eric Green, Ralph Brown, Darrell Hunter, Matt Ware. While there'll be a lot of pressure on the ILBs, the most scrutiny will be on this group. The top 3 are probably just below average, but as a 5 man group--well, they kind of speak for themselves. Ware earns a roster spot over the other nobodies because of his NFL experience and the fact that he can contribute as a free safety in a pinch.

Special teams (3):
LS : Nate Hodel
P: Scott Player
K: Neil Rackers

Practice Squad (8):
CB: Travarious Bain, Michael Adams
FB: BranDon Snow
FS: Brandon Keeler
G: Brian Johnson
LB: Brandon Johnson
OT: Elliot Vallejo
WR: Matt Trannon
 
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6 CB's, thats a lot of CB's. I think I would add another FB and just make it 5 CB's. 6 just seems like overkill. Especially with 2 of them on the PS.

As for the rest nothing to shocking and looks exactly like my projection with all the usual suspects except I had Ware not making the squad and Roshon Vercher - FB taking his place..

The only players I questioned myself adding to mine were -

Boyd - I wouldn't rule out the Korrodi kid who is most like Warner and Lienart as he to is a pocket passer and Korrodi is left handed. At the minimum I think this Korrodi makes the PS as a sub to throw the same kind of ball as Matt to the WR's during weekly practices.

Patrick - If this kid doesn't show up in training camp fast and hard, his tenure could be really short, and another vet or Euhus will take his place.

Bailey - I wouldn't rule out Ross K. taking his spot.

My PS is a little different though.

QB - Korrodi
RB - Baylark
WR - Trannon
G - Brian Johnson
OT - Elliot Vallejo
LB - Brandon Johnson
CB - Bain
DE - Yet to be signed DE we find on waivers or cuts.
 
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I hear what you're saying, but I think that this team has to go with quantity over quality at CB, and they're going to hope that one or two of these guys is going to work out.

I really don't think we're going to take 2 FBs on the regular roster, unless one of the rooks is able to beat out someone on special teams.

I originally had Ross K. on my team, then I looked up Bailey and saw that not only had he made the Steelers' roster, but he'd played for them. I think that he's in and it's between Ross K. and Cooper for that last spot. I think Cooper has more pass rush ability, which is why I kept him.

I don't really care about Boyd v. Karrodi. Neither should see the field, ever, but I think that we'll only keep one and draft a long-term backup QB next year.

For what it's worth, I have Patrick being the TE cut to make room for a veteran blocking TE, and then being added to the practice squad. Something about that guy just makes me nervous. Something about the interview process or something must have scared teams away.
 

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Mike Gandy (L), Levi Brown (R), Oliver Ross (R), Brandon Gorin (L). Gorin's spot is the least secure, but they'll likely keep 4 tackles.

Coach Grimm has his work cut out for him, big time. I sure hope he's more Anne Bancroft than Matt Damon.

Here's a bit of trivia; the Arizona Cardinals have had their leading rusher- for the season- average 2.9 yards per carry twice in the last 8 years. :sad:
 

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I like a lot about the list, but I don't remember the Cards heading into seasons with only 7 OL--my memory is nothing to brag on, though. At any rate, I'd feel happier if we could head in with 8 OL on the roster. Or at least 3 on the practice squad. Injuries get very crippling otherwise. I would agree that, ranking substantially on talent, 7 is appropriate.

Mostly unrelated to that, is there any chance Lewis could sub or even start at DE? He's very light and small for a NT, but is quick....
 

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There are rarely "playmakers" at the 3-4 end position. I mean Marcus Spears is simply an average player, there is no way I would call him a "playmaker".
 
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There are rarely "playmakers" at the 3-4 end position. I mean Marcus Spears is simply an average player, there is no way I would call him a "playmaker".

Castillo had 7 sacks from the DE position in a 3-4 last season. Aaron Smith had 4.5 sacks for the Steelers last season. Brett Keisel had 5.5 sacks from the position for Pittsburgh. Richard Seymour has averaged nearly 5 sacks per season in a 3-4 defense, and Ty Warren had 7.5 sacks at the position last season.

A good DE in a 3-4 makes a ton of defense, and I don't think we have anything like these guys on our roster right now. Just for the numbers to work out in a 3-4, the NT has to occupy 2 blockers, and one of your DEs better, as well. I don't believe that Dockett has that ability against an OLT, so we better hope that Dansby/Hayes are better at shedding blockers than they've shown thus far, or our 3-4 experiment is in trouble from the get-go.

I like Marcus Spears and Chris Canty in Dallas. I think they're better than Olshansky and Castillo in San Diego. They'll both have 6+ sacks this season.
 

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Castillo had 7 sacks from the DE position in a 3-4 last season. Aaron Smith had 4.5 sacks for the Steelers last season. Brett Keisel had 5.5 sacks from the position for Pittsburgh. Richard Seymour has averaged nearly 5 sacks per season in a 3-4 defense, and Ty Warren had 7.5 sacks at the position last season.

A good DE in a 3-4 makes a ton of defense, and I don't think we have anything like these guys on our roster right now. Just for the numbers to work out in a 3-4, the NT has to occupy 2 blockers, and one of your DEs better, as well. I don't believe that Dockett has that ability against an OLT, so we better hope that Dansby/Hayes are better at shedding blockers than they've shown thus far, or our 3-4 experiment is in trouble from the get-go.

I like Marcus Spears and Chris Canty in Dallas. I think they're better than Olshansky and Castillo in San Diego. They'll both have 6+ sacks this season.

I agree our DEs are weak but in a 3-4 the DEs primary job is to keep blockers off the LBs and stop the run. I hope that Dockett, smith, etc. can stop the run, if they do that then I will be satisfied. If you have a 3-4 DE that can get sacks that is just icing on the cake.

I just don't agree with you that Spears is that good, I like Canty but Spears has not shown anything yet.
 

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