Bidwills Amaze Me
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Why a new stadium?
Its not or the attendance, but for those VIP suites. That's were the sponsorship deals and the real money is to be made. Sun Devil stadium isn't exactly a VIP stadium.
Why Mexico City?
Because Southwest U.S.A. has a very huge Mexican population.
Its not or the attendance, but for those VIP suites. That's were the sponsorship deals and the real money is to be made. Sun Devil stadium isn't exactly a VIP stadium.
Why Mexico City?
Because Southwest U.S.A. has a very huge Mexican population.
I think from a marketing perspective, the Mexico City game is a good more.
From a competitive perspective, it's a bad move. In the end, they did pick the worst team and that team is also playing on a road. Instead of having a 63% home winning percentage playing at SDS, I give the Card about a 50-50 chance in the Mexico City game.
I'd rather play at home . . .
From a competitive perspective, it's a bad move. In the end, they did pick the worst team and that team is also playing on a road. Instead of having a 63% home winning percentage playing at SDS, I give the Card about a 50-50 chance in the Mexico City game.
I'd rather play at home . . .
Just read Pasquarelli's column about the game on the other site.
To no one's surprise, the Cards volunteered for the game.
The NFL doesn't know if the foreign soil games will continue past this year because they don't think any other NFL teams would be willing to give up a home game.
To no one's surprise, the Cards volunteered for the game.
The NFL doesn't know if the foreign soil games will continue past this year because they don't think any other NFL teams would be willing to give up a home game.
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I think from a marketing perspective, the Mexico City game is a good move.
Good strategic first step.
But only if the implementation of this strategy is executed shrewdly, creatively, comprehensively and flawlessly.
Good strategic first step.
But only if the implementation of this strategy is executed shrewdly, creatively, comprehensively and flawlessly.
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Rocco said:
Sure they don't. If this makes enough money it will continue and more teams will be forced to 'volunteer'. Hog wash - 'they don't know if it will continue'.
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Don't forget the Cards are getting a 80 million dollar loan from the NFL for their contribution on the new stadium. If the NFL says go to Mexico City for a regular season game, then the Cards go...
daytripper said:
That's classic. All season ticket holders should wear Sombreros to the home opener.
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CardNots said:
Not to mention they also got a loan from the NFLPA who have stated before that they concerned about the Cardinals attendance. Throw in the NFL putting a Super Bowl before the voters right before the 302 vote and then actually getting the Super Bowl. So, no doubt this is payback.
We wouldn't have a team here, at all, and zero games to go to, if the NFL didn't pitch in on the stadium. So, like I said yesterday, I'm fine with this once, but not every year.
MadCardDisease said:
Good idea MCD. Let's see if we can get something started on this line. Anyone else up for this idea?
az jam said:
Good point.
The NFL apprached the Cardinals on this one, not the other way around. The more I read on the subject, I feel this will be a yearly event. If I am right, I much prefer the Cards to volunteer in 2005 rather than some point down the road.
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WizardOfAz said:
The Cubs opened in Tokyo with a game that counted and they always sell out so it can happen to anyone.
RedViper said:
RedViper, I think you nailed it here. I was just re-reading some of this thread and I couldn't agree you more. This game clearly indicates to me that Bidwill still doesn't care about winning as much as making a profit.
If he cared about winning, he wouldn't give up a home game.
I was all aboard the wagon the last 2 seasons, drinking the cool aid, thinking this thing is turning around, and this move just frustrates the hell out of me because I'm losing confidence that Bidwill will ever be 100% committed to turning this team around.
I don't care about missing the game. I really just don't want to see the Cards select money over doing what's best to win -- which is playing as many home games as possible.
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Rocco said:
Heck, who needs other teams? The Cards would likely give up future home games. They don't worry about pissing on...err..off their season ticket holders.
40yearfan said:
I'll be preparing some negative signs if the Mexico deal is finalized.
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WHile there are certainly a lot of reasons to be frustrated over the Mexico game I believe that the long term will show its a positive for both the NFL and the Cards.
Its hard to argue with expanding the fan base and by being first ,and closest it gives us the edge in attracting new fans.
The financial implications are good as well. THe extra revenue could be the difference in a signing bonus, or free sombreros for season tix holders.
I would think that the next time we play out of the US that it would be our turn to play as the away team thereby giving us a schedule advantage. And if we play regularly in Mexico then even an away game could be considered as home field advantage. It'd be great to have Seattle make the trip to Mexico for a home game.
All in all its gonna be a helluva ride!!
Hasta Luego
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Its hard to argue with expanding the fan base and by being first ,and closest it gives us the edge in attracting new fans.
The financial implications are good as well. THe extra revenue could be the difference in a signing bonus, or free sombreros for season tix holders.
I would think that the next time we play out of the US that it would be our turn to play as the away team thereby giving us a schedule advantage. And if we play regularly in Mexico then even an away game could be considered as home field advantage. It'd be great to have Seattle make the trip to Mexico for a home game.
All in all its gonna be a helluva ride!!
Hasta Luego
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Scott MS said:
Scott-----it's a business. They have to make money or they won't be able to hire people like DG and bring in FA's like Berry or Okeafor.
Right now the Bidwills are spending money betting on the additional income they will get when the new stadium opens. Their portion of that new stadium now stands at better than $100 million. That's coming straight out of the Bidwill's pocket. They better concern themselves about making money or they'll run out of capital and we'll have scrubs from the CFL playing here.
40yearfan said:
Winning will bring them the money. If they don't win, there won't be fans in the new stadium. My issue is why jeopardize the long term turn around of this team with a short-term gain by playing in Mexico City?
I see it differently and I also see that I have to pay 20% more in ticket prices this season and get 1 less home regular season game. I think they're getting their money!!
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In business, you have to spend money to make money. I've never seen anybody make money by virtue of not spending any.
The general Phoenix population still thinks this team is a perennial loser (which they have been) and people won't jump on the bandwagon until they start showing committment to winning. I think this season they have shown tremendous committment to winning by:
1. Signing great free agents
2. Coming up with a moderized logo and new uniforms
3. Spending almost all their cap money
4. Advertising a brand new stadium with amenities
5. Hiring Dennis Green and other quality coaches
6. Deciding to have 7 home games and 9 road games, and taking away a home game from their season ticket holders ??
The general Phoenix population still thinks this team is a perennial loser (which they have been) and people won't jump on the bandwagon until they start showing committment to winning. I think this season they have shown tremendous committment to winning by:
1. Signing great free agents
2. Coming up with a moderized logo and new uniforms
3. Spending almost all their cap money
4. Advertising a brand new stadium with amenities
5. Hiring Dennis Green and other quality coaches
6. Deciding to have 7 home games and 9 road games, and taking away a home game from their season ticket holders ??
Scott MS said:
I agree winning is what will bring the money. Short term it will be a gain win or loose. I also think playing and winning in Mexico on National TV will bring more exposure and more money meaning more FA signings. If they win and make the playoffs it will bring a greater long term benefit. If they loose and miss the playoffs by two or three games nothing is lost. If the loose and miss the payoffs by one game it will set then back one year but that would soon be made up when the playoffs come in 2006.
I see your point but I think the potential long term gain outweighs the potential loss.
Scott MS said:
Scott, I'm with you man. The main reason I hate this deal is it shows we aren't committed to winning but I really find the financial justifications are suspect as well. First, I would not be shocked if this game doesn't sell out. I think the Mexico City football market may not shell out the kind of cash in the numbers everyone here is assuming they will. I hope I'm wrong but this could very well get embarrassing and ugly right out of the gate, if this team is playing in this massive half empty stadium on national TV. No one wants to pay to see these Cards everyone will say. One more joke that will make the Phoenix market more reluctant to associate themselves with this team as we look desperate and weak. The teams that were cited as the ones Mexican NFL fans gravitate to all have Superbowls or histories of consistent winning. Not like us at all.
More important though, is the only viable long term solution for this team is to build a consistent winner. This helps us lose next year. If the season is another wipe out, you go into the new stadium and establish the immediate precedent, Glendale remains half empty as well. Revenues and cash flows just bleeding out onto the ground as always. Just a dream about the money this team could make in this market if they weren't so miserably inept. To me this was the year to figure out how to win at all costs. More so than any other year since they've come to the valley. Signiing up for nine road games doesn't take us toward consistent winning whatsoever.
If the Bids are getting ready to sell the team however, it makes sense to get a short term profit and run-GW Bush style. You say to hell with the long term-thats the next guy's problem. But there's no chance that ever happens. If Bidwill were to sell the team, with that brand new stadium combined with the rebound effect of all the fans the Cards would pick up just because they hate the guy so much-he'd be a pure genious in my view. The value would go through the roof-especially if buyer has to take on all the loans the Cards are committed to. But that like speculating about how it would be if the laws of gravity suddenly reversed any everyone went flying off the face of the world. Its just something that will never happen.
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ajcardfan said:
Does that symbolize the treatment of the loyal season ticket holders?
