Big Brother 8

[TheCardFan]

Personally I think Danielle made the right picks even if she was BS ing why she nominated them. Jen won't win at the end, either will Eric, and I think Zach will go before that. At this point you want to keep people you can beat in a vote at the end IMHO.

Yep...I think at this point the only person that doesn't have bad blood with anyone else is Jess. If she makes it to the end...she wins.

However, I think the alliance with D&D, Jess, and Eric is doomed since Eric can't commit to the alliance vote...unless America does.

 

[Lefty]

Jen took all Dick's cigarettes and ripped them out and poured beach all over them. He is going to go ballistic all over her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmdSJPFa4ZQ

 

[Russ Smith]

Now this is really going to get interesting. Nobody likes Jen, she's on the block instead of Amber, and you just know America is going to make Eric vote for Jameka which will piss off his new alliance.

Amber is unreal, there has to be something wrong with her nobody is THAT emotional? And the way she folded up talking to Danielle, she tells Jameka she'll be tough and won't swear on her daughter and then she completely rolls over and gives up all sorts of things without Danielle asking and swears on her daughter again? I'd really like to see her gone but I think this is the week Jen goes.

 

[nashman]

Should be interesting because Eric has to try and have whoever America chooses be eliminated. They want Jen gone but he may be going around and trying to switch it to Jameka. Personally I can't stand all the crap that comes out of Jamekas mouth with Amber a close second. Jen has actually been pretty quite should be interesting when she finally goes if she is as stupid as she acts in the house. I think she is a little bit smarter than she acts, although I don't know many college grads that are nannys!

 

[TheCardFan]

Now this is really going to get interesting. Nobody likes Jen, she's on the block instead of Amber, and you just know America is going to make Eric vote for Jameka which will piss off his new alliance.

Amber is unreal, there has to be something wrong with her nobody is THAT emotional? And the way she folded up talking to Danielle, she tells Jameka she'll be tough and won't swear on her daughter and then she completely rolls over and gives up all sorts of things without Danielle asking and swears on her daughter again? I'd really like to see her gone but I think this is the week Jen goes.

Amber is clueless and an emotional wreck...Danielle asks for 1 week and gets the world. Seeing how Amber was caving...she should have pushed for the final vote commitment...on her daughters life of course!

I didn't like Jen at first but because I think she is playing the "dumb" game and for the way she can calmly put with Dick's BS...I am rooting for her to stay.

 

[nashman]

However dumb she may be, she has no backbone to let ANYONE talk to you the way Dick has not to mention pouring stuff on her head! And to sneak and do something that can be toxic as pouring bleach on his cigarettes could get her in serious trouble. A childish and weak attempt to do something back to dick, have some freakin backbone and stand up for yourself!

 

[TheCardFan]

However dumb she may be, she has no backbone to let ANYONE talk to you the way Dick has not to mention pouring stuff on her head! And to sneak and do something that can be toxic as pouring bleach on his cigarettes could get her in serious trouble. A childish and weak attempt to do something back to dick, have some freakin backbone and stand up for yourself!

Backbone?

Dick is a dis-respectful infant mentally and she is getting his goat by not reacting. What should she do? Get into an argument with him? He would love for it to escalate and hates the fact she won't play that game.

She ripped his cigarettes up and threw them in a trashcan and then poured bleach on them. There was zero chance he was going to smoke one of them.

She should have hid them...I would have love to see Dick go a day without his cigs! Now that would be great TV.

BTW: I have zero respect for Dick. There is no excuse to talk to another human being that way much less a woman...no matter how much you don't like them. What if Jenn was your wife or daughter? I would look him up after the show.

 

[Angel]

Now this is really going to get interesting. Nobody likes Jen, she's on the block instead of Amber, and you just know America is going to make Eric vote for Jameka which will piss off his new alliance.

I don't know, America failed when they gave Eric the task to give Jessica his woobie. Jessica??? Give me a break, Jessica probably brought her own woobie with her and we will have a tiny little woobie wedding. If America wanted to entertain us they would have had Eric give the dang woobie to Zack or Dick, now that would have been funny. But Jess? Please. America you let me down.

On the side how funny was Zack jumping into the sack with Eric and Jess?

 

[CardEd]

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On the side how funny was Zack jumping into the sack with Eric and Jess?

See how jealous Eric got at the end? Dude just make a move.....

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't know, America failed when they gave Eric the task to give Jessica his woobie. Jessica??? Give me a break, Jessica probably brought her own woobie with her and we will have a tiny little woobie wedding. If America wanted to entertain us they would have had Eric give the dang woobie to Zack or Dick, now that would have been funny. But Jess? Please. America you let me down.

On the side how funny was Zack jumping into the sack with Eric and Jess?

Agreed. And yes I have a whole new liking for Zach now after he did that.

First his saying "hello' to Jessica's boobs, and then his "shutting down"
of Eric. That was classic watching Eric squirm too, I'm sure at some point he went and took a cold shower.

I guess we'll see but I'm betting America wants him to get Jameka off just to screw up the get Jen out plan. I suspect Jen still gets too many votes and leaves.

 

[Russ Smith]

Gotta say I was very disappointed in Jen, any chance she had to stick went right out the door when she acted that way. She probably was going home anyways especially with Eric voting for her but she made it too easy.

That said, I am once again going to say it, how far is Big Brother going to let Dick go before they remove him for behavior?

For those who missed it he and Jen had an argument and she responded by trashing his cigarettes. He then took all her clothes and locked them in the HOH room. But that wasn't enough, he then tracked her down outside sitting alone, and sat right next to her and started blowing cigarette smoke in her face intentionally. She told him to stop and tried to move but he did it again.

Jen then tried to knock the cigarette away, Dick told her not to touch him, and he then at least twice intentionally burned her with the cigarette as she tried to knock it away(he had again blown smoke in her face). It clearly took two to have the problem but again, he went out of his way to confront Jen and blow the smoke at her.

I gotta say as someone who's mildly asthmatic and somewhat allergic to smoke if that had been me he would not have gotten a second chance to blow smoke in my face either the cigarette would have been knocked out of his mouth, or we both would have been kicked out of the house for fighting.

Jen was already breaking the rules by eating this event didn't cause that but I really think BB failed to adequately protect her in that situation that was very close to getting ugly.

Quite frankly I was disappointed that none of the others like Eric or Zach stepped up and pushed Dick away, but I assume they were both hoping he'd go the next step and get himself evicted.

Edit, I was looking at the BB message boards on CBS' site, apparently there is a LOT of controversy over Dick's behavior and apparently there was concern at CBS that Jen might sue them for not intervening. Discussion about the waivers they all sign before they join the show and people again pointing out that no waiver can completely cover CBS
from being sued, you can sue for anything the question is can you win. Apparently Jen was on the Early Show this morning and they said it was clear from the questioning
that Julie Chen was trying to get her to say it was all in good fun just in case she had any thought of suing.

Also, Jen maintains that she asked Big Brother upfront if she was allowed to destroy Dick's cigarettes without being removed from the show, they said yes, so she did it.
Apparently this is a point of contention she made this claim on the after hours show but people are saying CBS never aired any footage that proves this.

 

[nashman]

I will have to disagree Russ, Jen was out of line to hunt down his personal property and DESTROY it. Its not like he can just run out and grab some more. What if Dick say grabbed all her clothes and shoes and everything took them in the back yard and Burned them, would that be ok to do? If it were me I would react about the way Dick reacted maybe even worse. She didn't have the right to do that she was just being a bitch since she knew she was going home anyway! For awhile I thought she was smarter than she acted and its became clear, she is every bit as dumb, spoiled little brat she comes off as. I for one am glad she is gone! Oh and Dick told her to get back anyone should know not to be grabbing at a lit cigarette, chances are your going to get burned. Its not like he grabbed her arm and put it out on her. Not to mention she kept going at him when she should have walked away, thats how fights are started by getting up in someones face. And if this wasn't on TV she would not have gotten all brave up in ***** face she did it because she knew he couldn't touch her stupid ass. Rant over I hate when girls get all stupid and try to fight someone cause they know he won't or can't do anything. What would have been hilarious if Danielle was their and stood up and knocked her ******** out for getting all stupid.

 

[Russ Smith]

I will have to disagree Russ, Jen was out of line to hunt down his personal property and DESTROY it. Its not like he can just run out and grab some more. What if Dick say grabbed all her clothes and shoes and everything took them in the back yard and Burned them, would that be ok to do? If it were me I would react about the way Dick reacted maybe even worse. She didn't have the right to do that she was just being a bitch since she knew she was going home anyway! For awhile I thought she was smarter than she acted and its became clear, she is every bit as dumb, spoiled little brat she comes off as. I for one am glad she is gone! Oh and Dick told her to get back anyone should know not to be grabbing at a lit cigarette, chances are your going to get burned. Its not like he grabbed her arm and put it out on her. Not to mention she kept going at him when she should have walked away, thats how fights are started by getting up in someones face. And if this wasn't on TV she would not have gotten all brave up in ***** face she did it because she knew he couldn't touch her stupid ass. Rant over I hate when girls get all stupid and try to fight someone cause they know he won't or can't do anything. What would have been hilarious if Danielle was their and stood up and knocked her ******** out for getting all stupid.

I agree that's what I meant by disappointed with Jen's behavior, she shouldn't have trashed his cigarettes.

That said it didn't warrant Dick's response, he'd already gotten even by taking her clothes, but he overstepped his bounds IMHO with the smoke thing which was intentional. As for walking away, she already had, she went outside specifically to be alone away from Dick, he tracked her down and targetted her with the smoke.

I really felt he should have been ejected when he poured the drink on her, I would assume BB warned him then don't really know.

What I saw was Jen initially trying to bait Dick into reacting so he would get tossed, with the cigarettes, and then deciding she would rather go home. The way Dick was saying don't touch me was quite intentional, he was trying to get Jen to hit him so she would go home, but he did it physically with her where Jen did it by trashing his cigarettes.

I think the vote should stand, Jen is gone, but Dick should be removed for physically going over the line?

 

[TheCardFan]

I gotta say as someone who's mildly asthmatic and somewhat allergic to smoke if that had been me he would not have gotten a second chance to blow smoke in my face either the cigarette would have been knocked out of his mouth, or we both would have been kicked out of the house for fighting.

Couldn't agree more. What if Jen was your daughter or sister? Dick has shown his true colors and no matter how dumb Jen may or may not be...nobody deserves to be treated like that...and it's been ongoing.

He should be eliminated based on harassment alone...it is borderline criminal.

I think in the end, Jen could sue for BB not protecting her and if so, she will make much more than the 500k anyway.

I would love to see someone other than Dick or Dani win the 500k and Jen walk away with a couple million due to Dick.

 

[nashman]

We can agree to disagree. Dick probally did everything he could do not to slap her upside her head! She went over the line that caused his reaction, why should he be removed for it? Blowing Smoke? Anyone else would have just walked away instead Jen was trying to get Dick to hit her or something why else would she get in his face? Why would you want to remove the only remotely interesting figure in the house? This show would be lame without him truthfully. And how did he physically go over the line? He did not touch her she was grabbing at him and got burned? Thats her freakin fault shes stupid trying to grab at lit cigarette!

 

[TheCardFan]

I will have to disagree Russ, Jen was out of line to hunt down his personal property and DESTROY it. Its not like he can just run out and grab some more. What if Dick say grabbed all her clothes and shoes and everything took them in the back yard and Burned them, would that be ok to do?

Oh and Dick told her to get back anyone should know not to be grabbing at a lit cigarette, chances are your going to get burned. Its not like he grabbed her arm and put it out on her.

Give me a break!

Dick consistently blew smoke in her face and that is part of the reason she destroyed the cigs.

Destroying clothes is not the same as destroying cigs.

Dick blew smoke in her face and she asked him not to...he continued to do it and to call her horrible names that were way way worse than you saw on TV, including the C word that rhymes with hunt....repeatedly.

He intentionally burned her...you can see him stabbing at her hand instead of trying to pull the cig away from her. I could not have stood by and watched that happen...

 

[TheCardFan]

We can agree to disagree. Dick probally did everything he could do not to slap her upside her head! She went over the line that caused his reaction, why should he be removed for it? Blowing Smoke? Anyone else would have just walked away instead Jen was trying to get Dick to hit her or something why else would she get in his face? Why would you want to remove the only remotely interesting figure in the house? This show would be lame without him truthfully. And how did he physically go over the line? He did not touch her she was grabbing at him and got burned? Thats her freakin fault shes stupid trying to grab at lit cigarette!

She was there first...Dick came over to harass her as always. You have it all wrong and I can't imagine if Jen was your wife, daughter, or sister that you would have the same opinion.

 

[Russ Smith]

We can agree to disagree. Dick probally did everything he could do not to slap her upside her head! She went over the line that caused his reaction, why should he be removed for it? Blowing Smoke? Anyone else would have just walked away instead Jen was trying to get Dick to hit her or something why else would she get in his face? Why would you want to remove the only remotely interesting figure in the house? This show would be lame without him truthfully. And how did he physically go over the line? He did not touch her she was grabbing at him and got burned? Thats her freakin fault shes stupid trying to grab at lit cigarette!

She did walk away, remember she was there alone.

Yes she could have just gone inside but that's where harassment comes in.

Someone on the BB message board pointed out that Big Brother is probably still subject to the hostile workplace enviroment rules since someone could argue the prize money essentially makes Big Brother a "job". I don't know if that's true or not but its' an interesting thought.

She got in his face to tell him to stop blowing smoke in hers, I agree she could have walked away but she'd been doing that for 40+ days, I think she just got fed up with Dick's aggressive behavior.

What really surprised me was that Julie didn't say a thing to Dick, she correctly chastised Jen for breaking the rules and being the first in BB history to break food restrictions, but she never said a thing to Dick about his behavior.

I didn't like Jen much in the game but I really felt bad for her in that situation what can you do you're locked in the house with some guy that has zero respect for you or your personal space. Even after she trashed the cigarettes he did not have the right to blow smoke in her face.

Admittedly I have a strong anti smoking bias because it really does impact my ability to breathe.

 

[Russ Smith]

Give me a break!

Dick consistently blew smoke in her face and that is part of the reason she destroyed the cigs.

Destroying clothes is not the same as destroying cigs.

Dick blew smoke in her face and she asked him not to...he continued to do it and to call her horrible names that were way way worse than you saw on TV, including the C word that rhymes with hunt....repeatedly.

He intentionally burned her...you can see him stabbing at her hand instead of trying to pull the cig away from her. I could not have stood by and watched that happen...

I didn't know he'd used that word with her and I gotta say if true I'm amazed Julie herself didn't step in and evict Dick.

I thought Howie crossed the line a few seasons ago with his busto tirades but I think Dick went further.

If you look the CBS site and the message boards they're having the same debates all over there, some feel Jen instigated but many people are saying you know I really didn't like Jen but I had no idea how far dick was willing to go I'm amazed he's not kicked off the show.

 

[Russ Smith]

FYI read this online not sure if true, in spoiler

Spoiler

Dick can't compete in POV as punishment for his actions

 

[Angel]

Jen was wrong, Dick was wrong and CBS was wrong.

Jen shouldn't have destroyed the cigs, with or without the permission, Dick should have just backed off---his whole tirade meant nothing, Jen was going home anyway if he can't control himself for a handful of hours until that happens who does he strike out next? CBS failed to protect Jen, that cigarette nonsense should have been stopped with a simple call to the Diary room and a stop order.

Dick burnt another human being, annoying or not, with a burning cigarette, intentionally or not, and was not the least bit sorry for doing so. That makes him garbage. If someone I cared about was in that house I would be concerned for their safety.

 

[nashman]

She could have left anytime she wanted, she knew she was going home anyway. She was being a little baby and she got burned boo hoo she should have just went in the house when he came out. She wants to stand up and act tuff then she get what she gets, she brought it on herself. Without question Dick is a jerk I just think Jen was wrong to destroy his personal stuff. Whether you have something against people who smoke should not make any difference. No other houseguest smokes correct? They don't seem to fly off the handle and destroy his stuff. SHe was wrong and got what she deserved, good riddance!

 

[nashman]

And I wouldn't be sorry either if she got burned if she destroyed my stuff. Hes garbage because she got burned? whatever! If she didn't do that the whole situation would not have happened! He was mean to Jameka and Amber you didn't see them do something stupid...why? Because they are smarter than Jen she wanted to act like a little baby and destroy someones property, just shows how much of an immature little girl she really is!

 

[Russ Smith]

She could have left anytime she wanted, she knew she was going home anyway. She was being a little baby and she got burned boo hoo she should have just went in the house when he came out. She wants to stand up and act tuff then she get what she gets, she brought it on herself. Without question Dick is a jerk I just think Jen was wrong to destroy his personal stuff. Whether you have something against people who smoke should not make any difference. No other houseguest smokes correct? They don't seem to fly off the handle and destroy his stuff. SHe was wrong and got what she deserved, good riddance!

He also wasn't intentionally blowing smoke in anybody else's face. Jen apparently said on tv today(or on After Hours last night not sure) that Dick was doing that the whole time they were there. If you remember the initial problem they had was that she said to someone else she didn't want to be on Dick's side in some contest because he smelled of cigarettes, he overheard her and got mad and it ballooned from there. So his smoking was
the initial problem they had.

I have no problem with someone smoking if they don't bother me with it, but if someone came over and intentionally sat near me and blew smoke in my face I'd have a problem. She is claiming that he had been doing that for weeks long before she trashed his cigarettes. Who knows if she's telling the truth but that's her side of why she did that.

 

[nashman]

Yeah Russ thats the thing I don't beleive her! And he didn't blow smoke right in her face until after he discovered she stole all his cigarettes. And the thing with smokers, well you can always move away from it not like he was smoking in the house. She could just move away go inside like EVERYONE else did no one else got up in his face or destroyed his cigarettes. She f'ed up and got what she deserved IMHO. Obviously America disliked her as much as everyone else, I think 6-0 vote says that don't you?