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Meh, not the first time they gave up on a top 3 pick...
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Meh, not the first time they gave up on a top 3 pick...
Ouchie-Z-Clown
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They’d be sending out Ingram too. Should we (or the spurs) not want him also because, well they are willing to trade him so that should tell us all we need to know?
Chaplin
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The only thing? Really? Give me a break.
DevonCardsFan has been saying it's happening because he's listening to sports radio and twitter. Huh? Come on.
Hahahahaha that sound like your just in denial of this actually happening. Have you heard the names being floated around at PG Smart at 16 mil. No way I much rather have the 2nd overall pick in a good draft who had a Jason Kidd rookie of the year statline, its not something to get all triggered over lol. I would be thrilled if Suns added Ball. If these guys hit anywhere close to Potential, the Suns will be in line as Championship contenders, after GS and Lakers are over
Chaplin
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Ok, now this paragraph makes more sense, no matter how much you want to laugh at me. But posting that things are happening because you saw it on twitter is what is REALLY laughable.
No I am saying it's out there and a real probabality, but your in denial. What I am saying is Leonard being traded, George being a free agent going to Lakers and the need for the Lakers to dump Ball to get rid of Dengs contract is happening and there are only a handful of teams who have contacts to make it happen. So I am sorry you don't have the Comprehension to understand that "it is happening" means: LeBron, Leonard, George are forming a super team and they need a 3rd team to take Ball and Deng to make it happen, so yes, you can watch it or facilitate a trade and end up with Ball to help it.
Chaplin
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You really want to get into personal insults. Can we disagree with things without being children? Ouchie is going that route too, and if you really want to, you can. But honestly, if the Lakers want to rid themselves of Deng's contract, (which, of course they do), they could package him with other players as well, not just Ball.
McD had interest in Ball last year, doesn't mean he has interest in him this year. If Ball didn't have his psycho family, I'd definitely have interest in him, especially if we don't have to give up much. But I've been around this league a long time, and don't believe everything I read. Hell, even Kuzma himself is laughing at the fools putting out twitter rumors.
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It sounds like Gambo is not excited.
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Chaplin
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Gambo is right, the problem is that it's GAMBO that's saying it.
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I think Ball's consistency will improve. Either way, there's not much out there imo at PG and I'm guessing McD wants to end the rebuild, become competitive again, and save his job. Ball is a distributor and we need that more then anything else imo. Also a good rebounder.
The whole Lavar Ball thing I think is trending down. With a trade, the Lakers are the ones that would be taking the hit from Lavar, if any. Just like they risked doing by announcing they won't sign his brother to their Summer League team, after not drafting him. Now, possibly trading Lonzo. The Lakers dream of Lavar having all three sons on the team is already over, but it would be slammed shut with a Lonzo trade.
I would be vary wary of idiot Lavar (trying to assert himself with a new team and younger GM), but I think his dreams have been dashed. I could see McD getting into a public tiff with Lavar, since McD has had his problems in these sorts of things. But I also think McD isn't going to be swayed. Friction, yes possibility, being influence by Lavar, basically impossible.
Maybe I'm wrong and missed it (or it wasn't really covered), but I haven't heard any public comments from Lavar about the Lakers not signing Liangelo. Maybe Lavar is realizing he's screwing up his sons chances. Maybe his sons are getting older and challenging him a bit to back off. Maybe even he realizes his other kids aren't good.
Overall though, I think Ball fits better with what we need. A playmaker who can also rebound, years of control at a team friendly price, and in line age wise.
Meanwhile we would be helping the Spurs and Lakers, but neither of those teams are guaranteed anything. Our guys are young enough to see LeBron and the Warriors get old right when we're entering our prime.
The whole Lavar Ball thing I think is trending down. With a trade, the Lakers are the ones that would be taking the hit from Lavar, if any. Just like they risked doing by announcing they won't sign his brother to their Summer League team, after not drafting him. Now, possibly trading Lonzo. The Lakers dream of Lavar having all three sons on the team is already over, but it would be slammed shut with a Lonzo trade.
I would be vary wary of idiot Lavar (trying to assert himself with a new team and younger GM), but I think his dreams have been dashed. I could see McD getting into a public tiff with Lavar, since McD has had his problems in these sorts of things. But I also think McD isn't going to be swayed. Friction, yes possibility, being influence by Lavar, basically impossible.
Maybe I'm wrong and missed it (or it wasn't really covered), but I haven't heard any public comments from Lavar about the Lakers not signing Liangelo. Maybe Lavar is realizing he's screwing up his sons chances. Maybe his sons are getting older and challenging him a bit to back off. Maybe even he realizes his other kids aren't good.
Overall though, I think Ball fits better with what we need. A playmaker who can also rebound, years of control at a team friendly price, and in line age wise.
Meanwhile we would be helping the Spurs and Lakers, but neither of those teams are guaranteed anything. Our guys are young enough to see LeBron and the Warriors get old right when we're entering our prime.
Dude you had the laughable comments and condescending tone. And jumped all over me, so chill it home skillet.
A - if you have been reading the Spurs are interested in Kuz and Ingram, not Ball.
B- to have this super team Lakers need to move Dengs contract
C- the Suns need a PG, Lakers are tired of Ball he just put out a Kuz diss song, LeBron has no wish to be part of the Balls and they don't need a PG like Ball with the super team.
D- the Suns tanked for Ball and wanted to trade up to get Ball last year. So if McDonough can facilitate a trade and land the PG he has been after, I can easily see this happening.
Which creates as much as you hate Ball, a very real chanvc of the trade being made
Assuming we'll get Ball for taking Deng's contract is a bit much. The Lakers can actually acquire Kawhi, sign Paul George, and Lebron without moving Deng's salary. They can make it work financially. It's a tight fit but wouldn't they rather do that and keep Ball or possibly deal him elsewhere for someone who can help that proposed "super team" compete?
To think the Lakers are beating down the Suns door trying push Ball on us for helping them by taking Deng is ridiculous. Especially since we can't do that right now anyways because the salaries don't work. We would need to send something back to them, so why are they giving us Ball again? To trade Deng's deal for Chandler's and Dudley's? Not happening. The Suns need to shed more cap space, clearing out contracts like Big Sauce and Ulis plus renouncing rights to any free agents. I think that will happen but even then, they won't have the cap space to take on Deng and Ball's salaries without sending something back. In the meantime the Celtics will be calling the Lakers trying to get Kawhi. They have assets to make it happen without needing help.
So I think a number of people are jumping the gun and setting themselves up for disappointment because the odds of us pulling off this miracle sort of deal landing us top flight prospects for nothing is unlikely.
To think the Lakers are beating down the Suns door trying push Ball on us for helping them by taking Deng is ridiculous. Especially since we can't do that right now anyways because the salaries don't work. We would need to send something back to them, so why are they giving us Ball again? To trade Deng's deal for Chandler's and Dudley's? Not happening. The Suns need to shed more cap space, clearing out contracts like Big Sauce and Ulis plus renouncing rights to any free agents. I think that will happen but even then, they won't have the cap space to take on Deng and Ball's salaries without sending something back. In the meantime the Celtics will be calling the Lakers trying to get Kawhi. They have assets to make it happen without needing help.
So I think a number of people are jumping the gun and setting themselves up for disappointment because the odds of us pulling off this miracle sort of deal landing us top flight prospects for nothing is unlikely.
SirStefan32
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Why do you people want Ball? Has everyone but three or four of us here lost their damn mind?
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I give Gambo more credit than some in regard to inside Suns information.
When he gives opinions, then he can be taken with with a grain of salt. However, he is usually first out with factual Suns information.
This is the first I've heard of this. Any source?
Because his statline was identical to Kidd's as Rookie of the year and he is a pass first PG that could feed Ayton over and over again. His passing and Rebounding is great
I've heard it several times, Bickley was talking about it right now.
http://arizonasports.com/story/1153362/report-suns-seeking-trade-draft-lonzo-ball/
The Suns had a high pick that year and scouted the hell out of him, a ping pong bounce changed it, I could see McDounough wanting him I believe it
Why do the Spurs want Chandler's contract? It's a negative asset for them. That is your pipe dream of a trade and isn't likely to happen. San Antonio more than anybody involved in the deal has no reason to take on a contract like that. Why not just send Kawhi for Igram and Kuzma plus picks? Why be involved in a 3 team deal where they take a bad contract, expiring or not.
Again, read this. The author runs down exactly how the Lakers can form their superteam with Deng still on their roster. It's not a given that they need to dump him. Especially if the price to move him is Ball.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...whi-leonard-and-still-land-lebron-paul-george
SirStefan32
Krycek, Alex Krycek
He can't shoot, he can't stay healthy, and he is a Ball. Son of Lavar Ball. No, no, and no. I don't want that piece of human garbage anywhere near Phoenix.
That doesn't point towards only Ball though, it points towards Jackson also. Ball wouldn't work out for anyone but the Lakers last year. The Suns managed to get Jackson to screw the Celtics so he'd fall to us at 4. McD was very high on Jackson and he may have been looking to move up for him, thinking he wouldn't fall past Ainge. Since McD worked with Ainge, I'm sure he has an idea of what sort of player he was after. So while there are some pieces out there that may point towards Ball, it's not definitive and even that article mentions Jackson as a target that the Suns might not be able to grab at #4, where they sat, so it's not the greatest sort of backup for the theory that "McD tanked for Ball".
your trade doesnt work, San antonio would take an expiring contract
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