Boldin and Edge: No shows at 1st day of offseason workouts.

[82CardsGrad]

While I am inclined to agree with you...at what point is leadership important? Leadership would not include training in isolation while DD's teammates are busting it together.

People are talking up Dansby as a leader...but he does not inspire me as such. He's a fickle player, who shows up when he wants to. I wish more than anything else the Cardinals would do all they could to swap Dansby for Terrell Suggs. But...looks like that ain't gonna happen, even though it would be best for both teams if it did. Dansby would take over for the departed Bart Scott and then the Ravens would draft Michael Johnson for Suggs' spot and be even better than ever.

For the Cardinals, they need a pass rush. Plain and simple. Suggs would turn a mediocre pass rush into an all-out storm. Plus, he would love to be back home in Arizona where he would electrify the U of P crowds.

Mitch, are you really suggesting that a high-performing athlete show leadership? Do you really expect it? Oh, it's nice when every leap-year or so it actually occurs, but c'mon man... "Leadership" as you once knew it has been entirely redefined over the last 5-7 years... "Leadership" is playing hard when "I" want to play hard. "Leadership" is doing whatever "I" need to do get "paid"! "Leadership" is NOT about putting team first and "me" second...
I've come to expect this now. These "leaders" never understood the fundamental laws of contentment vs covet... "So & so has a brand new deal, new Ferrari, new diamond-studded grill in his mouth - I needs to get me mine too yo...".
Dockett played his heart off in the Super Bowl, and here is his version of "leadership"...

What a crock...

 

[WildBB]

Mitch, are you really suggesting that a high-performing athlete show leadership? Do you really expect it? Oh, it's nice when every leap-year or so it actually occurs, but c'mon man... "Leadership" as you once knew it has been entirely redefined over the last 5-7 years... "Leadership" is playing hard when "I" want to play hard. "Leadership" is doing whatever "I" need to do get "paid"! "Leadership" is NOT about putting team first and "me" second...
I've come to expect this now. These "leaders" never understood the fundamental laws of contentment vs covet... "So & so has a brand new deal, new Ferrari, new diamond-studded grill in his mouth - I needs to get me mine too yo...".
Dockett played his heart off in the Super Bowl, and here is his version of "leadership"...

What a crock...

I don't think Dockett has ever considered himself a leader. Just a starter. The elder statesmen are the leaders on the D. Wilson, Berry, Okeafor, even Robinson to some extent in the locker room. And his contemporary, Dansby is more vocal.

When Dockett as you say, gets his, then more will be expected. The same happened with the Rams' Ron Bartell this off season when he almost went to NO. He stayed w/ the Rams signed a pretty hefty deal and now he's expected to provide on and off the field leadership. Right or wrong, that's how athletes view it now. "Pay me to lead. Or I'll be just fine playing, thank you".

But whoever said that the main leadership is done on the field is dead on. How you hustle every play and carry yourself doing so. For sure. And playing smart of course. He wasn't known for that much in the past.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I don't think Dockett has ever considered himself a leader. Just a starter. The elder statesmen are the leaders on the D. Wilson, Berry, Okeafor, even Robinson to some extent in the locker room. And his contemporary, Dansby is more vocal.

When Dockett as you say, gets his, then more will be expected. The same happened with the Rams' Ron Bartell this off season when he almost went to NO. He stayed w/ the Rams signed a pretty hefty deal and now he's expected to provide on and off the field leadership. Right or wrong, that's how athletes view it now. "Pay me to lead. Or I'll be just fine playing, thank you".

But whoever said that the main leadership is done on the field is dead on. How you hustle every play and carry yourself doing so. For sure.

Oh. I agree... I never viewed DD as a "leader". I was simply responding to Mitch's post.
And, DD did get "paid" once already... But again, in the era where covet > contentment, contracts me squat.

 

[Duckjake]

While I am inclined to agree with you...at what point is leadership important? Leadership would not include training in isolation while DD's teammates are busting it together.

Whisenhunt gets paid to be the leader not Dockett.

10 Tackles 3 sacks and an interception in the NFL's premier game is all the "leadership" I need to see out of Dockett and Dansby.

 

[Captain Matt]

Adrian Wilson might be a leader... And he didn't joint the club in a leap year.

 

[binkar]

5. People wanna complain? Complain about a second round pick that has done nothing for this team but milk the cash cow. At least come game time, guys like Boldin and Dockett have shown they he put in there work in the offseason, and in practice with their production on the field. Branch is just worthless, and does nothing with the team. If anyone needs to get better, work harder, and do what is needed to keep their job it is Branch. I guess he has decided that he is not a football player. Just the fat guy from Fresh Prince of Bell Air. That is the real story, not Boldin, Dockett, Edge, Fitz, or any of the player that prove they come to each game prepared.

Urban stated in his blog today that Branch did indeed show up today for the voluntary workouts. Man I would give anything for that guy to get it figured out and be a contributor to this team. Sad to say, I have a hard time seeing that happen.

While I am inclined to agree with you...at what point is leadership important? Leadership would not include training in isolation while DD's teammates are busting it together.

People are talking up Dansby as a leader...but he does not inspire me as such. He's a fickle player, who shows up when he wants to. I wish more than anything else the Cardinals would do all they could to swap Dansby for Terrell Suggs. But...looks like that ain't gonna happen, even though it would be best for both teams if it did. Dansby would take over for the departed Bart Scott and then the Ravens would draft Michael Johnson for Suggs' spot and be even better than ever.

For the Cardinals, they need a pass rush. Plain and simple. Suggs would turn a mediocre pass rush into an all-out storm. Plus, he would love to be back home in Arizona where he would electrify the U of P crowds.

It's true. Think of the Ravens defense, they obviously have a lot of talent on that defense, but Ray Lewis makes that defense so effective IMO. Not just because he is a great player, but because he is an incredible leader. His incredible devotion to football and that team have made Ed Reed and some of the other players maximize their abilities. It does wonders for a defense (or offense) is the best player is the hardest worker, hardest studier, and most committed to the team. Ray has helped the guys on his defense more than any coach could have because he is such a dynamic leader IMO.

Say we did trade Dansby for Suggs Mitch, who plays ILB for us? Or do we pick one up via the draft. I love T Suggs and would love to see him in Cardinal red, but thats simply wishful thinking.

It's clear to me that the Cardinals do not know how to coach defense...this defense has been downright pathetic most of the time since Whiz arrived. Dansby is one of the reasons why...he's not being played properly. Let's get one thing straight...as a 34ILB...he's a chaser, not an attacker. This is why his side gets exploited time and time again.

What's tantalizing is...if he were coached properly and put at the right position, we would have a much better understanding of his value. He's a gifted athlete...but his role in the defense is passive aggressive...and what the Cardinals may never realize (like they never realized with Leonard Davis) is what Dansby could accomplish if he was played at a position that would require him to be an attacker (while maximizing his skills), not a chaser.

Brilliant post Mitch. I was discussing this in aother thread. Although Dansby was a very solid and reliable player for us last year, he was never put in a position to be a difference maker. That is the change I am hoping to see most with Davis running the defense. We have a few play makers on our defense that I feel haven't been properly utilized. I still feel like we can be more creative with Wilson and even Rolle in some situations, but I think Clancy did a poor job a putting Dansby in a position to make big plays for us. Karlos has all the tools to be an incredible play maker IMO, but if he isn't utilized properly then he isn't just an above average ILB.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

It's clear to me that the Cardinals do not know how to coach defense...this defense has been downright pathetic most of the time since Whiz arrived. Dansby is one of the reasons why...he's not being played properly. Let's get one thing straight...as a 34ILB...he's a chaser, not an attacker. This is why his side gets exploited time and time again.

What's tantalizing is...if he were coached properly and put at the right position, we would have a much better understanding of his value. He's a gifted athlete...but his role in the defense is passive aggressive...and what the Cardinals may never realize (like they never realized with Leonard Davis) is what Dansby could accomplish if he was played at a position that would require him to be an attacker (while maximizing his skills), not a chaser.

So you keep saying, but, I'll venture that those obviously inferior minds running the Cards defence will again have him on the inside in the 3-4 come September. Silly of me, I know, to think that they may have a better sense of his skills and how best to use them. He is not, from what I've seen, a premier edge rusher.. but rather one who can attack creases in the line. Playing ILB doesn't, per se, prevent him being used to attack the line of scrimmage.

 

[SuperSpck]

It's clear to me that the Cardinals do not know how to coach defense...this defense has been downright pathetic most of the time since Whiz arrived.

When was the last time the Cardinals' defense was good?
Whis has been here two years.
The second year got him a Superbowl using players drafted by another regime and a holdover coordinator.
Creating a stable and consistent defense isn't done overnight.
Once it does get built around the right players it can weather most storms.

 

[joeshmo]

So you keep saying, but, I'll venture that those obviously inferior minds running the Cards defence will again have him on the inside in the 3-4 come September. Silly of me, I know, to think that they may have a better sense of his skills and how best to use them. He is not, from what I've seen, a premier edge rusher.. but rather one who can attack creases in the line. Playing ILB doesn't, per se, prevent him being used to attack the line of scrimmage.

Dansby is not a premier pass rusher. He had 8 sacks one season exploiting RB's and TE's in a 4-3 scheme, not against OT's and TE's chipping him in a 3-4 scheme.

Apparently some poeple havent read what Pitt looks for in a 3-4 defense concerning 3-4 OLB's.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb...-best-fit-a-steelers-type-defense-132095.html

Not a single bit of what the Steelers look for in a 3-4 OLB pretains to Dansby. Not even a little bit. The greatest mind in 3-4 defense history Dick Labaeu wouldnt put Dansby on the edge, but hey what does he know.

 

[joeshmo]

IMO, missing the offseason conditioning program is not big deal if you're working out on your own. Missing the OTA's is a big deal, especially if you skip all of them.

I dont think it is that big of a deal either. What I dont like is the motives behind the decision to show up or not to show up.

 

[WildBB]

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Not a single bit of what the Steelers look for in a 3-4 OLB pretains to Dansby. Not even a little bit. The greatest mind in 3-4 defense history Dick Labaeu wouldnt put Dansby on the edge, but hey what does he know.

Personally I think that Dansby in the right situations could succeed on the outside. He has the skills and experience now to adapt both inside and outside IMO.


Even a lot of the Steelers have limited success much of the time. I'm sure Labaeu is never satisfied.

 

[joeshmo]

Personally I think that Dansby in the right situations could succeed on the outside. He has the skills and experience now to adapt both inside and outside IMO.

If by right situation you mean he isnt asked to leverage the edge and be stout at the point of attack like Dick Labaeu asks his 3-4 OLB's to do, then sure he can.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Dansby is not a premier pass rusher. He had 8 sacks one season exploiting RB's and TE's in a 4-3 scheme, not against OT's and TE's chipping him in a 3-4 scheme.

Apparently some poeple havent read what Pitt looks for in a 3-4 defense concerning 3-4 OLB's.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb...-best-fit-a-steelers-type-defense-132095.html

Not a single bit of what the Steelers look for in a 3-4 OLB pretains to Dansby. Not even a little bit. The greatest mind in 3-4 defense history Dick Labaeu wouldnt put Dansby on the edge, but hey what does he know.

 

[joeshmo]

Anyone else feel like they are in a loop. Same stories and idea's recycled over and over again the past few weeks. 24 days till the draft.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Anyone else feel like they are in a loop. Same stories and idea's recycled over and over again the past few weeks. 24 days till the draft.

Well, Mitch has chimed in again on the Dansby issue; St-Pierre can't be more than a day or two away...

 

[Totally_Red]

Anyone else feel like they are in a loop. Same stories and idea's recycled over and over again the past few weeks. 24 days till the draft.

Yup! Same old, same old over and over again. How many ways can spin the Boldin trade story or the Dansby negotiations, yadda, yadda, yadda.

The only fun thing brewing is the Cutler trade scenarios. I'm very curious to see how it ends up.