Boldin trade talk to Dolphins

[Cardiac]

To me it's definately not worth trading up when you are going to get a top notch prospect where you are allready.

If Miami wants to give us their 3rd and switch 2nd's , that's something I'd be more interested in. Or even a 3rd and 4th. Maybe TB is a willing partner, they pick at the top end of the 3rd and 5th.

I'm inclined to agree.

 

[Snakester]

I get the argument that Q should be worth more than a 3rd rd pick (at least on an emotional basis). So are there any players in rd 1 that would be worth trading up (using Q) to acquire? For example is our 1st rd pick and Q worth the Jaguars 1st rd pick? If so would you make the trade and for which player?

There are two players that I would consider for this trade. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska and Russell Okung OT. We need a LT badly and I think Okung is the best in this draft.

I don't think there is anyone else in this draft that I would be willing to give up that much to get. If just for a draft pick I would want a number one pick for Boldin or two number two's.

 

[Cardiac]

There are two players that I would consider for this trade. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska and Russell Okung OT. We need a LT badly and I think Okung is the best in this draft.

I don't think there is anyone else in this draft that I would be willing to give up that much to get. If just for a draft pick I would want a number one pick for Boldin or two number two's.

I would take any and all of your suggestions, Q is not that caliber of player and as much as FO's value draft picks (except Jones, Schneider & Davis) very few 29 yr old players would garner this value.

 

[Snakester]

I would take any and all of your suggestions, Q is not that caliber of player and as much as FO's value draft picks (except Jones, Schneider & Davis) very few 29 yr old players would garner this value.

I know what I have in Boldin which is a top 15 receiver. If not for the injuries I would say top ten. In draft picks you never know what you might get and how long it will take that player to develop if ever. I think Boldin still has a good five years left playing at a high level.

The only ? that I have about Boldin is money. Can we keep him without breaking the bank. That is a big concern because we will have a hard time paying both him and Fitz that kind of money. If Boldin would take say a 6 million a year contract for five years then I think we would sign him with no problem. If he's wanting around ten million a year then I see management saying so long it was nice knowing you.

 

[Reddog]

If Boldin would take say a 6 million a year contract for five years then I think we would sign him with no problem. If he's wanting around ten million a year then I see management saying so long it was nice knowing you.

If you don't intend to be a prolific passing team why not save that $6M and stick with Doucett and invest that extra cash in Defense?

 

[Snakester]

If you don't intend to be a prolific passing team why not save that $6M and stick with Doucett and invest that extra cash in Defense?

I think we will still be a passing team. We may run more than we did because of how well Beanie is coming along and to give Leinart some time to get comfortable. I expect our passing attack to be a very good one with Leinart and to pass at least 50% of the time.

I would at least keep Boldin for the last year of his contract for a couple of reasons. First, we don't know just how good Doucett is going to be. I would like to see Doucett have another year under his belt before I depended on him to have a large part in the offense. I mean, what if Fitz got hurt. I would really want to know that the next two receivers could do the job. Another reason is I would like to have Boldin there for Leinart in his first full season of starting so he has all the weapons he needs to both do well and to gain the confidence he needs.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I don't know if someone has already mentioned this but the trade I do if I am the Cards is switching of First Round picks (12 for 26) and a third.

That way Miami can get a player they like at 26, not have to spend the early money, and really give up a third for a frontline WR. I think that works for both teams IMO. Am I crazy?

 

[kerouac9]

I don't know if someone has already mentioned this but the trade I do if I am the Cards is switching of First Round picks (12 for 26) and a third.

That way Miami can get a player they like at 26, not have to spend the early money, and really give up a third for a frontline WR. I think that works for both teams IMO. Am I crazy?

You're crazy. There's no way Miami would offer that deal. Basically you're saying that Miami is trading first-round picks for cash. Since when are the Miami Dolphins hard up for cash? On the traditional trade value chart, the Dolphins would be giving up the equivalent of the 40th pick in the draft.

If teams are valuing Anquan Boldin at a 2nd and a 3rd, then the Cards should reconsider whether they really want to trade him away.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

You're crazy. There's no way Miami would offer that deal. Basically you're saying that Miami is trading first-round picks for cash. Since when are the Miami Dolphins hard up for cash? On the traditional trade value chart, the Dolphins would be giving up the equivalent of the 40th pick in the draft.

If teams are valuing Anquan Boldin at a 2nd and a 3rd, then the Cards should reconsider whether they really want to trade him away.

Sorry! What exactly are you saying?

 

[ARZCardinals]

Football is a year to year game.

Q is a special player ON and OFF the field. He is a leader. No arrests, no major problems only asked for more $$$ as he has earned. He's being paid less than others putting up similar numbers. Other than the contract talk he's been a model player. If injured he returns quick to the field. He puts it all out there on practice and game days.

Those of you who go to camp can vouch for this...Q plays all out. He does not take plays off.

Brandon Marshall - who can play at a high level is a head case and problem child....not to be mentioned in the same breath.

I agree with the post stating re: Cowboys and Roy they gave up a 1st, 3rd and a 6th to get him. He sucks in comparison. It also goes to show the value of a top WR.

We don't just hand over a top WR because we are 'stocked' at the position.

Remember. Steve Breaston is a restricted WR...which means he's only going to be under a ONE YEAR contract...then he's going to be an Unrestricted FA too.

Right now we have Q for one more year and Breaston for one more year. Both contracts are needing to be worked for long term deals. Do you choose one over the other...take both? A decision has to be made.

Q is a great player...I say keep him for the year ...same with Breaston...and see where the year leads us.

God forbid Breaston gets seriously injured and we are down him and we've traded Q. So we'd have Fitz, Doucet and Urban....PLEASE!! Doucet hasn't proven anything yet....his flash in the pan...is just that...one flash...a star...NO FREAKING WAY!

Any team wanting Q is going to have to do a new contract with him...which will be the same case next year...where you could franchise him and trade him if you aren't going to tag him (which I don't see them tagging him)

You do not trade Q for a 3rd round pick

MINIMUM TRADE VALUE

TWO 2nd round picks....I wouldn't even blink for anything less. I'll live with him for another year and see what the offseason brings.

I'd rather KNOW the WR corps is in great shape this year...then wonder and hope.

 

[ARZCardinals]

You're crazy. There's no way Miami would offer that deal. Basically you're saying that Miami is trading first-round picks for cash. Since when are the Miami Dolphins hard up for cash? On the traditional trade value chart, the Dolphins would be giving up the equivalent of the 40th pick in the draft.

If teams are valuing Anquan Boldin at a 2nd and a 3rd, then the Cards should reconsider whether they really want to trade him away.

In point values the orig. poster is right. The value of trading up is equal to a 2nd round pick...and then giving us a 3rd as well would be...

Miami isn't hard up for cash...they want Q!

Miami gives essentially a 2nd and 3rd round pick for Q.

Prob is you'd have to give that player at 12 a contract = to what Q wants...and you could have Q and the player at 26....or would you rather have the player at 12. 2 players (#26 and Q) or (#12 and #96)?

I'd rather have Q. and 26.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

You can scratch the Ravens from the list

Ravens sign Stallworth to 1-year deal

OWINGS MILLS, Md. -- Wide receiver Donte' Stallworth has signed a one-year contract with the Baltimore Ravens, hoping to resurrect a career that was halted by a manslaughter conviction.

The Ravens announced the signing Wednesday.

The deal is worth $900,000, with an additional $300,000 in incentives.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

You're crazy. There's no way Miami would offer that deal. Basically you're saying that Miami is trading first-round picks for cash. Since when are the Miami Dolphins hard up for cash? On the traditional trade value chart, the Dolphins would be giving up the equivalent of the 40th pick in the draft.

If teams are valuing Anquan Boldin at a 2nd and a 3rd, then the Cards should reconsider whether they really want to trade him away.

Wait so you are saying 14 spots in a deep draft is comensurate with giving up the 40th pick on its own? I just don't see that. And I don't care what the "value chart" says. Teams don't adhere to that as much as Ron Wolf used to and its been proven by recent trades on draft day.

I think Q = 3rd round pick + 14 spots in the draft and I don't think I am myopic. I think we will end up getting a 2nd rounder when its all said and done depending on who does the trade.

Maybe throw in a 5th if thats what it takes but I am not about letting Q go for a 3rd round pick and I don't think the Cards are either. I bet you they would rather let him play out his contract then

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Ravens sign Stallworth to 1-year deal

OWINGS MILLS, Md. -- Wide receiver Donte' Stallworth has signed a one-year contract with the Baltimore Ravens, hoping to resurrect a career that was halted by a manslaughter conviction.

The Ravens announced the signing Wednesday.

The deal is worth $900,000, with an additional $300,000 in incentives.

If you think the Ravens are pinning their Super Bowl hopes on a WR corp that has a convicted killer with one year out of football on one side and a guy likely to retire on the other side your kidding yourself.

Stallworth is insurance for them. Not the answer. I still see them making a play for Q.

 

[Buckybird]

If you think the Ravens are pinning their Super Bowl hopes on a WR corp that has a convicted killer with one year out of football on one side and a guy likely to retire on the other side your kidding yourself.

Stallworth is insurance for them. Not the answer. I still see them making a play for Q.

You're right, but I think Quan would balk at signing an extension with that dreadful city or team.

If that deal happened Q would hate the Cards forever.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

You're right, but I think Quan would balk at signing an extension with that dreadful city or team.

If that deal happened Q would hate the Cards forever.

Sounds like a personal thing. Personally I love Crab Cakes and Ray Rice

 

[Zeno]

You're right, but I think Quan would balk at signing an extension with that dreadful city or team.

If that deal happened Q would hate the Cards forever.

Wow...Baltimore is no better or worse place than any city in Texas, Oakland, Indy, Jacksonville, Cincy, Detroit, Green Bay, Cleveland and others...if he determines where he goes based on bad cities he would be severely limiting himself.

 

[cardpa]

You're right, but I think Quan would balk at signing an extension with that dreadful city or team.

If that deal happened Q would hate the Cards forever.

So why should we or the Cardinals care if Q hates Arizona forever?

 

[Pariah]

So why should we or the Cardinals care if Q hates Arizona forever?

Personally, I don't think we should too much...but just look at the threads started every time there's a perceived slight.

That said, I think Q has earned the respect of the organization and they won't ship him to siberia if there are other similar offers on the table. (and, BTW, Baltimore is not NFL siberia...Oakland is, buffalo is close).

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Personally, I don't think we should too much...but just look at the threads started every time there's a perceived slight.

That said, I think Q has earned the respect of the organization and they won't ship him to siberia if there are other similar offers on the table. (and, BTW, Baltimore is not NFL siberia...Oakland is, buffalo is close).

I agree. If all our offers are similar then I'd be more inclined to ship him to a potential winner. But that doesn't mean that if Al Davis came calling with a 1st round pick I wouldn't ship his butt there.

 

[cardpa]

Personally, I don't think we should too much...but just look at the threads started every time there's a perceived slight.

That said, I think Q has earned the respect of the organization and they won't ship him to siberia if there are other similar offers on the table. (and, BTW, Baltimore is not NFL siberia...Oakland is, buffalo is close).

I agree with you Pariah. The bottom line is the NFL is a big business both for the players and the owners. We all know big business is cut throat and cold. We the fans are the only ones who have a emotional stake in it. It's all about the money to the owners and players.