Boldin trade talk to Dolphins

[MadCardDisease]

23 palyers posted 1000 yard seasons in 2009. Anquan Boldin had the lowest YPC of any of them except Steve Smith (playing with Jake Delhomme) and Wes Welker. Derrick Mason had more yards than Anquan Boldin did last year.

Boldin averaged 12.2 yards per reception last year. That was better than Larry Fitzgerald and several other 1000 yard WRs.

 

[DoTheDew]

Boldin averaged 12.2 yards per reception last year. That was better than Larry Fitzgerald and several other 1000 yard WRs.

Yeah, our whole passing game this year was more dink and dunk and less vertical. Fitz's and Breaston's numbers went down too. It's kind of a reach to blame Boldin alone for his lower YPC numbers this year when clearly the play calling played a part in this.

 

[CardinalChris]

Yeah, our whole passing game this year was more dink and dunk and less vertical. Fitz's and Breaston's numbers went down too. It's kind of a reach to blame Boldin alone for his lower YPC numbers this year when clearly the play calling played a part in this.

Who can we blame for 9 games missed in the past 3 years?

I see the points for not trading him. But I can't get past the fact that we have an acceptable replacement for an aging WR with health issues that vocally does not want to play in Arizona. Are we better for having him? Of course!! It is not easy because it is an emotional decision, but there is a lot of validity to trading him.

 

[BigRedRage]

Look at some of the 3rd rounders the Cardinals have drafted over the last 5 years:

Rashad Johnson
Early Doucet
Buster Davis
Leonard Pope
Eric Green
Darryl Blackstock


Only Doucet has shown a glimmer of hope and that was only over a couple of games. Give me another 1000+ yards from Boldin for one more year over all of those guys combined.

Solid post.

 

[kerouac9]

Do you think that Buffalo would give us their 2nd round pick for Boldin? I'd probably take their third, but his working-class play style will really help out whomever they bring in to play under center and he'll be a good complement to Lee Evans.

Buffalo will probably go QB-OL in some order in the first two rounds.

 

[CardinalChris]

Look at some of the 3rd rounders the Cardinals have drafted over the last 5 years:

Rashad Johnson
Early Doucet
Buster Davis
Leonard Pope
Eric Green
Darryl Blackstock


Only Doucet has shown a glimmer of hope and that was only over a couple of games. Give me another 1000+ yards from Boldin for one more year over all of those guys combined.

I think they have done better recently, but I still hold out hope that Doucet and Johnson will be solid players. Don't devaluate the third round selection because we have missed in the past. Remember that run the team had with horrible second rounders 95-05 or so? Doesn't mean that pick doesn't have value, just that we drafted some crappy players in 2005-2007. Adrian Wilson, Dockett, Hayes were all thrid rounders within the last 8 years. Talent is there, the team just has to make the right choice.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

With the way we've been hitting in the 5th round, lets trade him for someones 5th round picks for the next 10 years lol.



j/k guys

 

[Southpaw]

The Miami media has suggested that The Dolphins want to dump both Ted Ginn Jr. & Joey Porter. Ted Ginn's market price is a 4th round pick, according to these same sources. Joey can't be worth anymore than that. Makes sense for one or both of these chips to be include in a deal.

Ted Ginn is a flop in the sense that he was drafted top third of the 1st round and hasn't played up to that expectation. He is not, remotely, a #1 receiver, but could be a 2, while returning kicks and punts. Porter may have a year or two left and is attempting to create value for himself by saying he is the one that wants out of Miami, and not Miami wanting to dump him.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Look at some of the 3rd rounders the Cardinals have drafted over the last 5 years:

Rashad Johnson
Early Doucet
Buster Davis
Leonard Pope
Eric Green
Darryl Blackstock


Only Doucet has shown a glimmer of hope and that was only over a couple of games. Give me another 1000+ yards from Boldin for one more year over all of those guys combined.

If you want to flip this around, you could look at the 5th round picks and argue that our front office is amazing.

You either have faith in the front office's drafting ability as a whole, or you don't.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I think they have done better recently, but I still hold out hope that Doucet and Johnson will be solid players. Don't devaluate the third round selection because we have missed in the past. Remember that run the team had with horrible second rounders 95-05 or so? Doesn't mean that pick doesn't have value, just that we drafted some crappy players in 2005-2007. Adrian Wilson, Dockett, Hayes were all thrid rounders within the last 8 years. Talent is there, the team just has to make the right choice.

Don't get me wrong. I think there is solid value to be had in the 3rd round and later rounds for that matter. Wilson, Dockett and Hayes were very solid 3rd round picks. However it took all three of those guys about 3 years before they actually started producing.

For me, I'm not ready to go into rebuilding mode. I think this team can push for another NFC West Championship at least one more time. If we are going to trade a consistantly productive WR like Boldin we had better get something better than a 3rd round pick. Otherwise we use Boldin's services one more year.

 

[MadCardDisease]

If you want to flip this around, you could look at the 5th round picks and argue that our front office is amazing.

You either have faith in the front office's drafting ability as a whole, or you don't.

The way I see it, it has nothing to do with the front office's drafting ability.

Boldin is a proven 1000 yard WR. He has posted these numbers with Warner at QB and with other QBs who were complete crap. We know what we are getting with Boldin.

A 3rd rounder is a complete unknown. Odds are high that a 3rd round pick won't contribute much the first 2-3 years. In fact they may never contribute at all.

 

[Duckjake]

If you want to flip this around, you could look at the 5th round picks and argue that our front office is amazing.

You either have faith in the front office's drafting ability as a whole, or you don't.

All you have to do to see how much better the Cards have done in draft is look at the number of drafted players still on the team in '09 with more than 3 years in the NFL and who they are.

In 2003 the Cards had 6. In 2009 they had 11.

The 6 from 2003: Chris Dishman, Anthony Clement, L.J.Shelton, Coby Rheinhardt,David Barrett and Ray Thompson.

The 11 from '09: Adrian Wilson, Anquan Boldin, Gerald Hayes, Reggie Wells, Larry Fitzgerald, Karlos Dansby, Darnell Dockett, Antrel Rolle, Matt Leinart, Duece Latui, and Gabe Watson.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Ginn could be a replacement for Breaston when Breaston moves to #2.

 

[Totally_Red]

The way I see it, it has nothing to do with the front office's drafting ability.

Boldin is a proven 1000 yard WR. He has posted these numbers with Warner at QB and with other QBs who were complete crap. We know what we are getting with Boldin.

A 3rd rounder is a complete unknown. Odds are high that a 3rd round pick won't contribute much the first 2-3 years. In fact they may never contribute at all.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The Miami media has suggested that The Dolphins want to dump both Ted Ginn Jr. & Joey Porter. Ted Ginn's market price is a 4th round pick, according to these same sources. Joey can't be worth anymore than that. Makes sense for one or both of these chips to be include in a deal.

Ted Ginn is a flop in the sense that he was drafted top third of the 1st round and hasn't played up to that expectation. He is not, remotely, a #1 receiver, but could be a 2, while returning kicks and punts. Porter may have a year or two left and is attempting to create value for himself by saying he is the one that wants out of Miami, and not Miami wanting to dump him.

one of my first off season predictions was Boldin to Miami for Ginn and a #2. I'd take Ginn and a #3.

 

[Feeble Mcjackson]

yeah, i would take a 3rd. too many injuries, and we do fine without him. Plus that would save us a ton of money to hopefully go after other FA's

 

[WildBB]

one of my first off season predictions was Boldin to Miami for Ginn and a #2. I'd take Ginn and a #3.

Do you know what Ginn's salary is? What what he'll make I'd rather re-sign Anquan.

 

[WildBB]

yeah, i would take a 3rd. too many injuries, and we do fine without him. Plus that would save us a ton of money to hopefully go after other FA's

We can't GO AFTER FA's this off season. The rules have changed. We're one of the top 8 teams. You can't sign any UFA's unless you loose one.

 

[joeshmo]

We can't GO AFTER FA's this off season. The rules have changed. We're one of the top 8 teams. You can't sign any UFA's unless you loose one.

That just isnt true.

1. You can sign as many FA who were cut.
2. You can sign as many FA who werent tendered a RFA deal.
3. You can sign one FA at a cost of first year salary of 5 mill (heard as high as 5.5 from somewhere.
4. You can sign as many free agents as you want if their first year salary is 3.5 mill or less.
5. Loss one sign one.

Being in the top 4 you loss the ability to even do number #3 and #4 on that list. But we are top 8 and will virtually be able to sign who ever we want in free agency that will have 200 fewer players in the FA pool then normal.

 

[Cardiac]

The old saying a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

Q is still an outstanding WR. How much longer will that be the case?

I believe you build through the draft and it is better to get something for your talent before they leave via FA. Banking on Comp picks is a skill that teams like the Steelers have. Solid enough roster that they rarely need to fill holes in FA and are proactive enough rarely draft for need for that year.

Are the Cards in that position at this time. The message board (including myself) is screaming NO!!!!!!!!, we need an ILB, OLB, CB, FS and at least one OLineman. Does Whis have more faith in the depth on this team then we do? Is Rashad Johnson ready to step in this year. How about Walker at ILB? If you think about it we do have someone recently drafted to step in at all the positions of obvious need.

I get the argument that Q should be worth more than a 3rd rd pick (at least on an emotional basis). So are there any players in rd 1 that would be worth trading up (using Q) to acquire? For example is our 1st rd pick and Q worth the Jaguars 1st rd pick? If so would you make the trade and for which player?

 

[bg7brd]

The old saying a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

Q is still an outstanding WR. How much longer will that be the case?

I believe you build through the draft and it is better to get something for your talent before they leave via FA. Banking on Comp picks is a skill that teams like the Steelers have. Solid enough roster that they rarely need to fill holes in FA and are proactive enough rarely draft for need for that year.

Are the Cards in that position at this time. The message board (including myself) is screaming NO!!!!!!!!, we need an ILB, OLB, CB, FS and at least one OLineman. Does Whis have more faith in the depth on this team then we do? Is Rashad Johnson ready to step in this year. How about Walker at ILB? If you think about it we do have someone recently drafted to step in at all the positions of obvious need.

I get the argument that Q should be worth more than a 3rd rd pick (at least on an emotional basis). So are there any players in rd 1 that would be worth trading up (using Q) to acquire? For example is our 1st rd pick and Q worth the Jaguars 1st rd pick? If so would you make the trade and for which player?

If we lose Dansby then Rolondo McClain would be someone to consider.

 

[WildBB]

That just isnt true.

1. You can sign as many FA who were cut.
2. You can sign as many FA who werent tendered a RFA deal.
3. You can sign one FA at a cost of first year salary of 5 mill (heard as high as 5.5 from somewhere.
4. You can sign as many free agents as you want if their first year salary is 3.5 mill or less.
5. Loss one sign one.

Being in the top 4 you loss the ability to even do number #3 and #4 on that list. But we are top 8 and will virtually be able to sign who ever we want in free agency that will have 200 fewer players in the FA pool then normal.

I hadn't heard about 3, 4. And if they're not tendered or cut they were making too much and getting up in age (Porter,Pierce) or just not cutting it at all.
With 200 less it's going to be pretty slim pickings and I'm afraid you'll overpay for whoever's worth anything at all, to get them to come.

 

[WildBB]

The old saying a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

Q is still an outstanding WR. How much longer will that be the case?

I believe you build through the draft and it is better to get something for your talent before they leave via FA. Banking on Comp picks is a skill that teams like the Steelers have. Solid enough roster that they rarely need to fill holes in FA and are proactive enough rarely draft for need for that year.

Are the Cards in that position at this time. The message board (including myself) is screaming NO!!!!!!!!, we need an ILB, OLB, CB, FS and at least one OLineman. Does Whis have more faith in the depth on this team then we do? Is Rashad Johnson ready to step in this year. How about Walker at ILB? If you think about it we do have someone recently drafted to step in at all the positions of obvious need.

I get the argument that Q should be worth more than a 3rd rd pick (at least on an emotional basis). So are there any players in rd 1 that would be worth trading up (using Q) to acquire? For example is our 1st rd pick and Q worth the Jaguars 1st rd pick? If so would you make the trade and for which player?

To me it's definately not worth trading up when you are going to get a top notch prospect where you are allready.

If Miami wants to give us their 3rd and switch 2nd's , that's something I'd be more interested in. Or even a 3rd and 4th. Maybe TB is a willing partner, they pick at the top end of the 3rd and 5th.

 

[Cardiac]

If we lose Dansby then Rolondo McClain would be someone to consider.

That is the 1st player that came to my mind.

Now the question is does McClain present that much more upside then Spikes etc. This would include giving up Boldin for him, not to mention the higher payroll for the 12th? pick vs the 26th pick.

 

[WildBB]

That is the 1st player that came to my mind.

Now the question is does McClain present that much more upside then Spikes etc. This would include giving up Boldin for him, not to mention the higher payroll for the 12th? pick vs the 26th pick.

To expensive, we need to stay put at 26. Value, value, value. Mantra entering potential new CBA agreement.