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[Mitch]

6 Pro Bowls - 3 all Pros

What do they know that you don't?

Peterson is an elite cover CB. He deserves that recognition. But, to be honest, teams know and plan to run in his direction and here is one reason why:

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[GuernseyCard]

Peterson is an elite cover CB. He deserves that recognition. But, to be honest, teams know and plan to run in his direction and here is one reason why:

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One play = BS!

And you'll need more than this to confirm 'know and plan'.

 

[Reign Blood]

As a punt returner you don't initially have time to see a complete hole. You have to field the punt confidently, make the first guy miss and then smell daylight. When he was a rookie, no one on the planet did it better. Once he decided he no longer wanted to be aggressive, he's been a timid, non-factor, with occasional boneheaded tendencies like making fair catches at the 5 yard line or the one time he tried to field a short punt at full speed at a key time in the NFC Championship game. At least he was trying to be aggressive on that punt...but man that was a back-breaking turnover just when the Cardinals were showing signs of getting back in the game down 17-7 late in the second quarter.

I'm saying who else was available to return punts?

 

[Mitch]

That's on the coaches though and has nothing to do with tackling.

I would have no problem if the coaches decided to keep Peterson off special teams. But, it's been clear for 4 years now that he is no longer an aggressive, even mildly interested punt returner and yet in that span the GM and the coaches never come up with a better option. One of the reasons why is that when players see Peterson, perhaps the most talented punt returner on the planet, doing it half-heartedly, then they follow suit.

Just like CB Marcus Cooper -- he saw that Peterson doesn't put much effort into tackling, so why should he? He knew the coaches would stick with him anyway.

This is the problem with the Cardinals. They perpetuate double standards and they do not demand 100% effort and toughness across the board. This is why the Cardinals are pretenders and are perceived around the league as such.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

worked with Cromartie

and....Peterson tackles...

I think he tackles well for a CB...he averages 50 tackles per season.

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[Mitch]

One play = BS!

And you'll need more than this to confirm 'know and plan'.

You watch the games. You know what I'm talking about. The tantalizing thing is, if you go back and watch Peterson at LSU he was a baller. Outstanding tackler. He's got it in him, but he decided long ago that tackling was not in his job description with the Cardinals. It's kind of like if you walk in late to work each day and the boss never says anything to you, you keep doing it and why not?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Peterson is an elite cover CB. He deserves that recognition. But, to be honest, teams know and plan to run in his direction and here is one reason why:

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Are you gonna call out the other 10 defenders that whiffed?

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[Mitch]

Are you gonna call out the other 10 defenders that whiffed?

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Absolutely, masterphomeg. Tackling has been a team weakness for far too long.

 

[Mitch]

One play = BS!

And you'll need more than this to confirm 'know and plan'.

Check out this assessment from Bucky Brooks (NFL Network, former pro) in his comparison of Peterson to Rickard Sherman:

Tackling

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While tackling is not viewed as a priority by most cornerbacks, elite defenders understand the importance of being a factor against the run. Peterson, however, is best described as a reluctant tackler on the perimeter. He will throw his body around and make contact with runners on the corner, but he isn't the aggressive tackler that his impressive physical dimensions would suggest.

Sherman is an impactful hitter on the edges. Although he prefers to hit big runners at the knees, there is no questioning the toughness or physicality he shows on tape. Sherman appears to relish the opportunity to make hits on unsuspecting runners and receivers in space. Additionally, he shows a willingness to hit ball carriers squarely, despite his slender frame.

Tackling is considered a lost art in pro football. The fact that Sherman is a willing tackler makes him a welcome asset in the back end.

Advantage: Sherman

 

[Jetstream Green]

For the love of the football gods sign him

 

[BigRedRage]

I would have no problem if the coaches decided to keep Peterson off special teams. But, it's been clear for 4 years now that he is no longer an aggressive, even mildly interested punt returner and yet in that span the GM and the coaches never come up with a better option. One of the reasons why is that when players see Peterson, perhaps the most talented punt returner on the planet, doing it half-heartedly, then they follow suit.

Just like CB Marcus Cooper -- he saw that Peterson doesn't put much effort into tackling, so why should he? He knew the coaches would stick with him anyway.

This is the problem with the Cardinals. They perpetuate double standards and they do not demand 100% effort and toughness across the board. This is why the Cardinals are pretenders and are perceived around the league as such.

I still simply disagree with your notion that Peterson doesnt like to tackle and does it half assed.

 

[BigRedRage]

Check out this assessment from Bucky Brooks (NFL Network, former pro) in his comparison of Peterson to Rickard Sherman:

Tackling

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While tackling is not viewed as a priority by most cornerbacks, elite defenders understand the importance of being a factor against the run. Peterson, however, is best described as a reluctant tackler on the perimeter. He will throw his body around and make contact with runners on the corner, but he isn't the aggressive tackler that his impressive physical dimensions would suggest.

Sherman is an impactful hitter on the edges. Although he prefers to hit big runners at the knees, there is no questioning the toughness or physicality he shows on tape. Sherman appears to relish the opportunity to make hits on unsuspecting runners and receivers in space. Additionally, he shows a willingness to hit ball carriers squarely, despite his slender frame.

Tackling is considered a lost art in pro football. The fact that Sherman is a willing tackler makes him a welcome asset in the back end.

Advantage: Sherman

Sherman plays zone and is often in better position to tackle because of it. Thats how zone coverages work..

 

[juza76]

Jesus its like a mom defending her own child

Forget that Peterson is playing for the team u root for
Is he a good tackler?

 

[Ronin]

 

[cardncubfan]

So I hear we are bringing in a CB. I wonder who it is?

 

[Harry]

My 2 cents is Peterson is good but not great tackler. In a key situation he'll get his man down. If he returns punts once again the Cards have failed to properly staff special teams yet again. Finally Flowers won't last until mid-season if he starts.

 

[jbeecham]

I love how a thread about bringing in a new CB turns into bashing our best defensive player for not being the best tackling CB in the league.

Peterson is a decent tackler. Solid on his own man & other WRs, but not great one-on-one against big RBs coming at him with a head of steam like Marshawn Lynch in that video. Most linebackers couldn't take Lynch down 1-on-1 in that scenario so I'm not going to hold it against PP. I know we can find videos of just about every RB making a defender look stupid... David Johnson has tons of highlights like that... it doesn't mean that every defender he jukes/stiff arms is a bad tackler.

There are mild rumors that CB Kyle Fuller (14th pick in 2014) is on the bubble in Chicago. He hasn't been consistent, but he's flashed solid play. He battled a knee injury that took him out for a year & then Chicago didn't pick up his 5th year option so he's in the last year of his contract. He's healthy now, but Chicago has brought in Prince Amukamara & Marcus Cooper as starting CBs.

 

[Bodha]

its been 2 hours and hes not signed yet, Im anxious

no need for a visit, fax him a contract


and if fax machines dont exist anymore then just get him on facetime verbally agreeing

 

[Bodha]

There are mild rumors that CB Kyle Fuller (14th pick in 2014) is on the bubble in Chicago.

Id swap them Niklas for Fuller.

Injury bust for injury bust.

 

[cardncubfan]

Id swap them Niklas for Fuller.

Injury bust for injury bust.

I would trade you for BigBootyBearsFan in a heartbeat.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I love how a thread about bringing in a new CB turns into bashing our best defensive player for not being the best tackling CB in the league.

Peterson is a decent tackler. Solid on his own man & other WRs, but not great one-on-one against big RBs coming at him with a head of steam like Marshawn Lynch in that video. Most linebackers couldn't take Lynch down 1-on-1 in that scenario so I'm not going to hold it against PP. I know we can find videos of just about every RB making a defender look stupid... David Johnson has tons of highlights like that... it doesn't mean that every defender he jukes/stiff arms is a bad tackler.

There are mild rumors that CB Kyle Fuller (14th pick in 2014) is on the bubble in Chicago. He hasn't been consistent, but he's flashed solid play. He battled a knee injury that took him out for a year & then Chicago didn't pick up his 5th year option so he's in the last year of his contract. He's healthy now, but Chicago has brought in Prince Amukamara & Marcus Cooper as starting CBs.

Agree, criticizing Peterson for being a decent tackler and not great would be like criticizing Adrian Peterson for being a decent receiver coming out of the backfield. AP's job was to run the ball and PP's job is to defend the pass and they do that exceptionally well and are great

 

[TJ]

Sherman plays zone and is often in better position to tackle because of it. Thats how zone coverages work..

Ding ding ding. Also, it's hard to be in position to tackle when the QB is throwing to the other side of the field.

Love how people can narrow his tackling prowess to the Lynch play. Lynch has made a number of All-Pro players look like clowns.

The fact of the matter is PP21 is a good, not great, tackler. Either way, that's not what he gets paid to do. He gets paid to cover and minimize the damage done by WR1s and he's the best at the league at doing so.

 

[ajcardfan]

I would have no problem if the coaches decided to keep Peterson off special teams. But, it's been clear for 4 years now that he is no longer an aggressive, even mildly interested punt returner and yet in that span the GM and the coaches never come up with a better option. One of the reasons why is that when players see Peterson, perhaps the most talented punt returner on the planet, doing it half-heartedly, then they follow suit.

Just like CB Marcus Cooper -- he saw that Peterson doesn't put much effort into tackling, so why should he? He knew the coaches would stick with him anyway.

This is the problem with the Cardinals. They perpetuate double standards and they do not demand 100% effort and toughness across the board. This is why the Cardinals are pretenders and are perceived around the league as such.

Sorry, but completely disagree with this analysis. Go to the message boards of the other 31 other NFL teams in the league and see if ANY SINGLE ONE OF THEM would say Peterson gives half-hearted effort. Not a single one would, even Seattle. Instead, every team wishes they had such a "half-hearted" effort CB on their roster, and that would include Seattle or any other team you think has great corners.

God, I hate the hyper-criticism of our own players. Just because they play in our colors doesn't mean we have to be more critical than anyone else. But, some of these same posters in this thread would wax on about Boldin back in the day and call Fitz a wussy. It's a bunch of ignorant crap, so I take it with a grain of salt now.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Here's likely what coaches have told PP. Something along the lines of, if nothing is there, catch the ball and get what you can while limiting injury risk. Peterson has been doing this long enough to know if something is developing or not. He's the most sure handed catching the ball on the team and that's the #1 priority of the punt return man.

I'm sure PP could catch the ball, be reckless, and run around to get the extra 2 yards to make Mitch happy but he's exposing himself to more hits and more injury concerns. He's too important for that.

As for his tackling, any CB that tackles is a plus. Give me the guy that can take the teams best WR out of the game, like Peterson does. I have no idea whether or not Darrel Revis was a good tackler throughout his career. Nor do I care. He was the best CB in the game and it wasn't because of tackling ability.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

That has to be the most inflated stat ever. Can anyone count on one hand the number of times last year you said wow Peterson made a good tackle? No one needs a stat sheet to tell us that.

Numbers are the numbers.

If you do not like them, write a letter to the NFL.