Bridges or DiVincenzo + Miami 2021

[82CardsGrad]

Yeah. I hate to defend Gambo, but he clearly has connections, but man was it amateur hour last night. I think he was embarrassed. He had gotten to cocky with his info when time was still on the clock. Also his desire to be first caused him to make the Clipper flub. Bad night for him.

He stuck his neck out there WAY too much yesterday. He tried to be something he, and virtually every other "insider" isn't - perfect! He looked like a fool... and I actually like the guy.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It seems his sources are good, his methods of delivering info are bad. He had the clippers trade before anybody (woj/shams), but messed up the details.

Apparently he texted "are we(suns) trading with charlotte" and the reply back was LAC, so without confirmation he went out and reported it was suns trading with clippers.

I think that excuse and the Mark Stein comment were after the fact attempts to rescue him from his own folly.

 

[Folster]

He was reading Woj and passing it on as his own. Woj put up a somewhat ambiguous tweet, Gambo jumped to conclusions and then delighted us all with his inside info. At least, that's how it all seemed to me. I'm not particularly bothered by it, Gambo is there for entertainment not sports news IMO. I've never thought he had a real source once Ryan/Babby closed the Sarver leak.

Spoiler: Woj tweet

Charlotte is discussing trade possibilities with the 11th pick, league sources tell ESPN. Phoenix has wanted to get back into lottery to get one of elite point guards. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is focus here.

He no doubt saw that tweet and texted his contact in the Suns and asked if we were trading with Charlotte. He received "Clippers" as a response and misinterpreted it as the Suns were trading with the Clips. He screwed up and I don't want to defend him because it was his own doing.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He no doubt saw that tweet and texted his contact in the Suns and asked if we were trading with Charlotte. He received "Clippers" as a response and misinterpreted it as the Suns were trading with the Clips. He screwed up and I don't want to defend him because it was his own doing.

Sorry, I just don't buy it or, rather, I just don't think it tells the whole story. It was clear that he was ripping off Woj all night and the internet hammered him for it, and that wasn't just Suns fans going off. I think that explanation tweet was a convenient excuse that he used to cover his gaffes.

I think Gambo had Sarver in his ear several years ago and had a lot of inside info but since Ryan's been here, he's been pretty clueless on his own. This isn't the first year that it's appeared he's siphoning off Woj's tweets.

 

[Folster]

Sorry, I just don't buy it or, rather, I just don't think it tells the whole story. It was clear that he was ripping off Woj all night and the internet hammered him for it, and that wasn't just Suns fans going off. I think that explanation tweet was a convenient excuse that he used to cover his gaffes.

I think Gambo had Sarver in his ear several years ago and had a lot of inside info but since Ryan's been here, he's been pretty clueless on his own. This isn't the first year that it's appeared he's siphoning off Woj's tweets.

He definitely is parroting Woj and Shams, but I believe he has a contact or two in the Suns front office still. This is the last I'm going to comment on it because I don't really care and Gambo can carry his own water. He was bad last night so he will have to wear that.

 

[elindholm]

Why not?

Because you're asking Ayton to do all of the big man things. Is Jackson or Bridges ever going to average 8 rebounds? Is either of them going to be a reliable secondary help defender on the interior? Is either of them consistently going to be able to grind for a basket in traffic near the hoop? Is either of them going to be big enough to keep opposing bigs out of the paint?

People act like the traditional positions are arbitrary, as though someone made them up and the entire basketball world fell in line unthinkingly. What is instead true is that a coherent five-man team needs a balance of big, medium-sized, and small players -- whatever the league, whatever the talent level. Throw that balance out of whack, and you need elite talent or some other set of skills to compensate. Jackson was taken #4 in weak draft and Bridges was taken #10 in a strong one. They may well develop into really good players, but they're very unlikely to be at a level that re-defines how we think about ways to construct a basketball team.

It's worth noting that you will always defend a decision by the Suns' front office after it is made. In all of these years, I can't think of a single counter-example. That means that either (a) the front office has never made a bad decision, or (b) sometimes your defense of them is incorrect.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He definitely is parroting Woj and Shams, but I believe he has a contact or two in the Suns front office still. This is the last I'm going to comment on it because I don't really care and Gambo can carry his own water. He was bad last night so he will have to wear that.

Fair enough.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Because you're asking Ayton to do all of the big man things. Is Jackson or Bridges ever going to average 8 rebounds? Is either of them going to be a reliable secondary help defender on the interior? Is either of them consistently going to be able to grind for a basket in traffic near the hoop? Is either of them going to be big enough to keep opposing bigs out of the paint?

People act like the traditional positions are arbitrary, as though someone made them up and the entire basketball world fell in line unthinkingly. What is instead true is that a coherent five-man team needs a balance of big, medium-sized, and small players -- whatever the league, whatever the talent level. Throw that balance out of whack, and you need elite talent or some other set of skills to compensate. Jackson was taken #4 in weak draft and Bridges was taken #10 in a strong one. They may well develop into really good players, but they're very unlikely to be at a level that re-defines how we think about ways to construct a basketball team.

It's worth noting that you will always defend a decision by the Suns' front office after it is made. In all of these years, I can't think of a single counter-example. That means that either (a) the front office has never made a bad decision, or (b) sometimes your defense of them is incorrect.

Meh. Houston for instance only had one guy averaging more than 6 rebounds and they were a top 10 defensive rebounding team. We have a bunch of guys that can grab 5-7 rebounds per game and Ayton grabbing 10-12 himself. I don't think rebounding will be a major issue with Ayton as the only big on the floor.

 

[Chaplin]

Because you're asking Ayton to do all of the big man things. Is Jackson or Bridges ever going to average 8 rebounds? Is either of them going to be a reliable secondary help defender on the interior? Is either of them consistently going to be able to grind for a basket in traffic near the hoop? Is either of them going to be big enough to keep opposing bigs out of the paint?

People act like the traditional positions are arbitrary, as though someone made them up and the entire basketball world fell in line unthinkingly. What is instead true is that a coherent five-man team needs a balance of big, medium-sized, and small players -- whatever the league, whatever the talent level. Throw that balance out of whack, and you need elite talent or some other set of skills to compensate. Jackson was taken #4 in weak draft and Bridges was taken #10 in a strong one. They may well develop into really good players, but they're very unlikely to be at a level that re-defines how we think about ways to construct a basketball team.

It's worth noting that you will always defend a decision by the Suns' front office after it is made. In all of these years, I can't think of a single counter-example. That means that either (a) the front office has never made a bad decision, or (b) sometimes your defense of them is incorrect.

The glass-half-empty response is expected. 8 years of futility is tough to ignore.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I don't see how you can say that so definitively.

Chaps previous post pretty much explains his reasoning.

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[elindholm]

Meh. Houston for instance only had one guy averaging more than 6 rebounds and they were a top 10 defensive rebounding team. We have a bunch of guys that can grab 5-7 rebounds per game and Ayton grabbing 10-12 himself. I don't think rebounding will be a major issue with Ayton as the only big on the floor.

Houston also had the league MVP and an all-time top-ten PG. They won in spite of their funky lineups, not because of them.

 

[elindholm]

The glass-half-empty response is expected.

As is your reluctance to engage the evidence.

 

[hsandhu]

Meh. Houston for instance only had one guy averaging more than 6 rebounds and they were a top 10 defensive rebounding team. We have a bunch of guys that can grab 5-7 rebounds per game and Ayton grabbing 10-12 himself. I don't think rebounding will be a major issue with Ayton as the only big on the floor.

And look at boston, brown/tatum/morris and now throw in hayward is going to be their 2-4 rotation next year. I doubt baynes sees much time.

That said, i still think suns may make a play for aaron gordon as a restricted free agent.

 

[Chaplin]

As is your reluctance to engage the evidence.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Houston also had the league MVP and an all-time top-ten PG. They won in spite of their funky lineups, not because of them.

And what do those things have to do with them being a top ten defensive rebounding team? Those are reasons why they were a great team, but they were also good at rebounding the ball and that was with only one really good rebounder on the roster.

 

[hsandhu]

Houston also had the league MVP and an all-time top-ten PG. They won in spite of their funky lineups, not because of them.

If you seriously think houston won in spite of their lineups which allowed them to switch everything, play spread pick and roll with shooters around the 3 that allowed driving lanes for harden... WOW. Not sure what you are watching

 

[elindholm]

If you seriously think houston won in spite of their lineups which allowed them to switch everything, play spread pick and roll with shooters around the 3 that allowed driving lanes for harden... WOW. Not sure what you are watching

You're right. I should have said "They were able to compete defensively" in spite of their funky lineups. I agree that the potency of the offense is because of the specific personnel.

 

[elindholm]

Pot meet kettle.

I think we'd both be much happier if we stopped responding to each others' posts. I'm game if you are. Fair?

 

[Chaplin]

I think we'd both be much happier if we stopped responding to each others' posts. I'm game if you are. Fair?

It's a message board Eric. You don't like me, fine. You don't have to respond. But I'm going to call you on things whether you like it or not. You are a great poster, we just don't agree some of the time. If you want to take your ball and go home, go right ahead. I figured we've both been around long enough to not let petty stuff like this end up with one or both of us crying and insulting.

 

[elindholm]

It's a message board Eric. You don't like me, fine. You don't have to respond. But I'm going to call you on things whether you like it or not.

But you "call me" on things, I explain my reasoning, and you reject it out of hand on the grounds that I sometimes disagree with the front office. It's a waste of time. We all know that the conversation will go like this:

Me: I think that the team has made a mistake.
You: Why?
Me: For the following reasons.
You: That's just negative thinking.
Me: Sometimes it is correct to identify mistakes.
You: Yeah, that's what you always say.

Do we gain anything from this? I admit that I keep falling for it, but that's a weakness of mine I'd like to try to overcome.

If you want to take your ball and go home, go right ahead. I figured we've both been around long enough to not let petty stuff like this end up with one or both of us crying and insulting.

If it were possible to engage you on the evidence, that would be one thing, but it isn't, so the hell with it. "Call me" on whatever you like. I will do my best not to take the bait.

 

[Chaplin]

But you "call me" on things, I explain my reasoning, and you reject it out of hand on the grounds that I sometimes disagree with the front office. It's a waste of time. We all know that the conversation will go like this:

Me: I think that the team has made a mistake.
You: Why?
Me: For the following reasons.
You: That's just negative thinking.
Me: Sometimes it is correct to identify mistakes.
You: Yeah, that's what you always say.

Do we gain anything from this? I admit that I keep falling for it, but that's a weakness of mine I'd like to try to overcome.



If it were possible to engage you on the evidence, that would be one thing, but it isn't, so the hell with it. "Call me" on whatever you like. I will do my best not to take the bait.

Wow, this is a message board. I'm not sure why you're expecting everyone to go along with you like sheep, but it is what it is.

You said that we can't rely on Bridges to be a PF for very long. I asked why, since you didn't provide an explanation. When you finally did, you made a point to come back and attack me personally and then go on after I defend myself and say I'm ignoring evidence. I actually never replied to your "evidence," so you're making stuff up to support your inherent need to insult posters. I never even disagreed with your evidence. You took it upon yourself to assume that based on me defending myself against your baseless attacks. And THEN you decide crying and taking your ball home is the optimal solution. Really?

 

[Hoop Head]

The Suns just had to make this trade, didn't they. If they would have taken Ayton and DiVincenzo then everybody would still be getting along. Instead they traded 16 and the Heat pick for a tweener forward and everybody views his fit differently, thus questioning the trade and the assets involved.

 

[Finito]

The Suns just had to make this trade, didn't they. If they would have taken Ayton and DiVincenzo then everybody would still be getting along. Instead they traded 16 and the Heat pick for a tweener forward and everybody views his fit differently, thus questioning the trade and the assets involved.

He's not a tweener at all he's a SF and a wing. He's a legit 6'7

 

[sdscard4]

I would have added 2 more future picks. Thats how good Bridges is. We actually got him for cheap. D...3...and big game after big game. Thank you philly

 

[Western Font]

Re: Gambo. It was funny because it was unnecessary. I agree with the poster in the draft thread (sorry, can’t remember who at the moment) comparing it to a kid brother yelling out punchlines. I love the speculation on draft day but I’d rather learn the actual picks as they are announced.

Some guy in a team’s war room texting Woj so he can tweet out the pick as the card is being turned in... it’s not like they’re the Woodward and Bernstein of the draft.