Bryant charged with felony sexual assault

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Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
Another point regarding this girl's 3 friends and their statement(s): They only decided to speak to the media because they saw news reports about their friend's recent drug overdose and the recent bad breakup she had with her boyfriend...

And by this you are saying what? That their credibility is questionable? Just so I understand your point, you feel that a person that doesn't throw themselves in front of a camera and tell all within a certain amount of time should be discounted at their word. Than by your logic, Kobe should not be believed because he waited till charges were pressed till he said his version of events.

Come on man, we have no idea if he is guilty or not. You or anyone on this board don't know anything about Kobe Bryant the person. You know a media image, they spend millions to protect their investment and many things that happen are never made public. It's when it's something big, like this that breaks into the public spotlight. Kobe may be a good guy overall and I could care less if he cheated on his wife. That is non of my business. If he raped another person than he needs to be punished as would anyone else. Sports are a game, this is real.
 

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Originally posted by KloD
And by this you are saying what? That their credibility is questionable? Just so I understand your point, you feel that a person that doesn't throw themselves in front of a camera and tell all within a certain amount of time should be discounted at their word. Than by your logic, Kobe should not be believed because he waited till charges were pressed till he said his version of events.

Come on man, we have no idea if he is guilty or not. You or anyone on this board don't know anything about Kobe Bryant the person. You know a media image, they spend millions to protect their investment and many things that happen are never made public. It's when it's something big, like this that breaks into the public spotlight. Kobe may be a good guy overall and I could care less if he cheated on his wife. That is non of my business. If he raped another person than he needs to be punished as would anyone else. Sports are a game, this is real.

I only added that point because it was mentioned exactly like that on the news story.

"Kobe may be a good guy overall" ??? Good guys don't cheat on their wives. He's a loser, IMHO.
 

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DA in Kobe case says he's confident

July 20, 2003 http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/articles/20030720/484021.html


EAGLE, Colo. -- Mark Hurlbert is facing the biggest challenge of his young career -- prosecuting an NBA superstar.

Despite his soft-spoken style, the 34-year-old Eagle County district attorney who took office in December and has less than 10 years of experience as a prosecutor doesn't want to be underestimated.

"I do feel like I'm ready for this. I'm determined to go ahead and do my job," Hurlbert said Sunday in a brief interview with The Associated Press. "It's so huge. I don't think there's anybody who would be fully prepared to do it no matter how much experience they have."

Hurlbert and this small mountain town 100 miles west of Denver have been in the national spotlight since July 6, when it was made public that Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant was accused of sexually assaulting a young woman.

Bryant, charged Friday, says his sexual encounter with the 19-year-old woman was consensual. He's free on $25,000 bail, but must return to court in Eagle on Aug. 6 for a hearing.

Hurlbert, a married father of two who grew up in neighboring Summit County, has prosecuted two first-degree murder cases and several sexual assault cases -- none as high-profile as the Bryant case.

Colleagues and friends say Hurlbert is well-respected and intelligent but some question whether he is up to the challenge of such a high-profile case.

"He's an eager young prosecutor but his only perspective on the law is that of a prosecutor," former Denver prosecutor Craig Silverman said.

After graduating from law school at the University of Colorado, Hurlbert returned to Summit County, joined the prosecutor's office as an intern and rose through the ranks.

In December, he was tapped by Gov. Bill Owens to replace District Attorney Michael Goodbee, who took a job in the attorney general's office.

Denver attorney Scott Robinson, who is representing a woman accused of Eagle County's first murder case in five years, says Hurlbert has done a good job turning around an office plagued by turnover following his predecessor's departure.

"I think Mark is surprisingly mature and experienced for his age. I think he is a fully competent trial lawyer who should not be underestimated by the defense," Robinson said.

As a deputy district attorney last year, Hurlbert prosecuted Chuck Garrison, a self-made millionaire convicted of beating his wife to death in a rage. Authorities searched for Sharon Garrison for nearly a month before her body was found buried in the yard of the couple's home.

In March, Hurlbert decided not to file charges against British skier Robert Willis involved in a fatal collision in nearby Breckenridge, saying it wasn't possible to prove a crime occurred beyond a reasonable doubt.

Wills was jailed for five days as Hurlbert reviewed the evidence, including a statement from a witness who said Wills was skiing in control. Wills was represented by Pamela Mackey, one of the lawyers on Bryant's defense team.

In the Bryant case, Hurlbert was caught off guard by Sheriff Joe Hoy's decision to seek an arrest warrant for the five-time All-Star on July 4. The sheriff sought the warrant directly from a judge, instead of making the request through the district attorney, which is the usual practice.

Hurlbert spent the next two weeks poring over physical evidence and testimony. He even consulted prosecutors around the state.

"This did not come easily," Hurlbert said Friday in announcing his decision to charge Bryant.
 

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Originally posted by Dback Jon

Third - Any attempt by the defense to bring up the defendent's past actions/life will be inadmissable in court. It's called Rape Shield Laws. 30 years ago, defense attorneys used those tactics, like how the victim dressed, etc to paint a victim as a **** who wanted it. That is now illegal to do. Even the fact that she went to his room can not be used as a defense. Just because someone voluntarily goes to someone's room/house etc, doesn't mean she wants to sleep with him.

Fourth - this case reminds me of the Mike Tyson case. I think we will find both similar - a girl goes to a celebrity room, starts to mess around. When it gets serious (ie sex) the girl has second thoughts. Wants the guys to stop. He does not stop, or doesn't stop soon enough.

Rape Shield Laws will not save her. Nobody cares what she was wearing, that is not an issue. When she takes the "hot seat", Bryant's attorney will ask her questions that will shatter her credibility.

Suicide attempt will definitelly be brought up, as will her previous promiscuity (if it's there). The key here is finding her ex boyfriends, and letting them testify.

Comparing Kobe Bryant to Mike Tyson is outragous. Kobe is one of the nicest guys in sports whereas Mike Tyson is scum.

A 34 year old DA will not be able to beat Kobe's defense team.

Brian,
Kobe committed adultry. He admitted his mistake, said he was disguisted at himself, and ask his wife and God to forgive him.
Each and every one of us can slip and make a mistake, or commit a sin, but that one sin does not make somebody a terrible person.

Stefan
 

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Originally posted by SirStefan32
Brian,
Kobe committed adultry. He admitted his mistake, said he was disguisted at himself, and ask his wife and God to forgive him.
Each and every one of us can slip and make a mistake, or commit a sin, but that one sin does not make somebody a terrible person.

Stefan

Ummm....thanks for stating the obvious.

I think I can still have an opinion of someone based on their actions, can't I? I can choose which players on my own team I wish to support and which I no longer will, right?

Funny that you're telling me this. You who repeatedly called the girl in this incident a *****. :roll:
 

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Originally posted by SirStefan32

Brian,
Kobe committed adultry. He admitted his mistake, said he was disguisted at himself, and ask his wife and God to forgive him.
Each and every one of us can slip and make a mistake, or commit a sin, but that one sin does not make somebody a terrible person.

Stefan

And again, that doesn't make him innocent of the crime he is accused of either. (It also doesn't make him guilty)
 

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Originally posted by SirStefan32
Rape Shield Laws will not save her. Nobody cares what she was wearing, that is not an issue. When she takes the "hot seat", Bryant's attorney will ask her questions that will shatter her credibility.

Suicide attempt will definitelly be brought up, as will her previous promiscuity (if it's there). The key here is finding her ex boyfriends, and letting them testify.


Stefan

As I understand it the rape Shield laws prevent them from bringing up any previous promiscuity. I believe that is what they were intended to do.

Joe Mama
 

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Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
You who repeatedly called the girl in this incident a *****. :roll:

... and I believe that Bryant's attorney will prove that. If she turns out to be a nice girl, I guess I will feel like an ass and I will apologize.
 

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Originally posted by KloD
And by this you are saying what? That their credibility is questionable?

I personally question the credibility of anything anyone says to the media unless they are directly related to the case itself. Even then I am a little skeptical.

There is no reason for these people to jump in front of the camera otehr than to be seen. Like the nike liason someone saw on tv. Her statement means little to me, and there is probably a reason why she doesn't work for nike anymore. This girls friends have to realize that by being put in front of a camera, nothing good could have possibly come from it. Personally, when I hear a story about how Kobe bryant "just snapped and raped her" all I think is "********". I can see something being taken to far and then him not stopping, but I mean really....he just snaps and rapes her, I believe that when I see it on tape.
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
As I understand it the rape Shield laws prevent them from bringing up any previous promiscuity. I believe that is what they were intended to do.

Joe Mama

Bryants attorney will ask her, the DA will object, saying that it is inadmisable or irrelevant , the Defense attorney will say that it goes to the credibility of the witness, and the judge will overrule the objection.

This case is every defense attorney's dream. Each and every one of them is drooling over this case.

Stefan
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
As I understand it the rape Shield laws prevent them from bringing up any previous promiscuity. I believe that is what they were intended to do.

Joe Mama

If the rape shield laws prevent that from happening, I think that Bryants attornies would know that. Unless they have an idea on how to have it allowed in court, I dont see why they would spend to much time on it.

I think they will attack her character from the overdose, her emotional state after ehr friend's death, and any information they can get out of the ex boyfriend.
 

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Originally posted by Renz
That is the worst part about this whole thing for me personally. Most adults don't expect sports stars to be super-heroes, but kids do.

My nine-year-old nephew is a HUGE Lakers/Kobe fan and it is disheartening to think about what he thinks of the whole thing. I'm sure he doesn't even know what words like "adultery" and "sexual assault" mean, but it must be tough for him to see his hero falling so hard.

I guess that is the main reason I hope these charges are untrue. Nine years old is too young to become jaded and disillusioned like the rest of us.

But either way, I guess he has to learn that being a good basketball player doesn't necessarily make someone a good role model.

What jades and disillusions is when someone does something like this and gets away with it (not that I am saying that Kobe did, or will).

If a star athlete commits a crime and pays the price it is a perfect opportunity to teach a child that anyone is capable of committing any crime if they choose to do so. And that there is a price to paid no matter who you are.

I don't know where we get the idea that all kids must think the world is like Disneyland. As a father of 5, ages 4 to 15, this event becomes a teaching opportunity.

My 15 year old had been a huge Jason Kidd fan (still has a large collection of Kidd cards). But when the domestic violence issue broke, we had a long discussion about how husbands are supposed to treat wives. I even had a discussion with my preteen girls about danger signs in young men, and what they should avoid like the plague.

I am going to make sure I use these events to the best of my ability to make sure my kids lives end up better, and that they learn from the stupid mistakes of these star athletes.
 

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Originally posted by SirStefan32
Bryants attorney will ask her, the DA will object, saying that it is inadmisable or irrelevant , the Defense attorney will say that it goes to the credibility of the witness, and the judge will overrule the objection.

This case is every defense attorney's dream. Each and every one of them is drooling over this case.

Stefan

Watching reruns of Law and Order does not make you an expert in Law. If she had "cried wolf" in her past that MIGHT be allowed, but her past sex life, how she dresses, and a drug overdose does not equate to her lying. Your ignorant and sexist opinions have only offended those posting on this thread. It's interesting that people can chat about a common interest (the Suns) only to find out when something serious and real happens just what kind of person they really are. You seriously have alot of growing up to do!
 

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Originally posted by SirStefan32
... and I believe that Bryant's attorney will prove that. If she turns out to be a nice girl, I guess I will feel like an ass and I will apologize.

Stefan -

A bad girl can be sexually assualted just as easily as a nice girl.

Proving that this girl has a troubled past, to me, doesn't mean that Kobe did not assault her.
 

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Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
Stefan -

A bad girl can be sexually assualted just as easily as a nice girl.

Proving that this girl has a troubled past, to me, doesn't mean that Kobe did not assault her.

Brian! We finally see eye to eye on something!
 

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Well, I know people were asking if anyone had any pictures of this girl. I found a couple online, not sure if they are actually her, but I figured I would post them for the few of you that wanted them. It is kind of dishearting that I was able to find her name, address, phone number, email, SSN, DOB withing 10 minutes. There are some sick ***** out there.......

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In the end, we must all be responsible for our actions.

He will pay for what we has or has not done. The consequences could be bad or terrible.


As a Hindu, I believe that his karma, good or bad, will catch up with him (What goes around comes around).
If he commited the assult and is proved innocent, he will pay. Maybe he has already(His image is tarnished), or maybe he will pay in the future.


Wether or not he is proved guilty, his image is ruined.
 

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Nobody on this board can say they really know Kobe Bryant and what he did or didn't do or will do. Everyone in the world thought that Kobe was a good father and loving husband. He has fooled all of us. Lets look at the facts only..... He got married had a child and has cheated on his family. That is enough for me to put him in the same category of politicians. (someone you just don't trust, no matter how many lies they tell you) He is guilty of adultery and when the courts deiced what to do with him for his actions we can discus how lenient or harsh the verdict was. Until then I don't see how bitching on a message board about Kobe is a (good guy/a$$hole) is worth are time, nor going to help the Suns win the Finals.
 

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Originally posted by SweetD
Nobody on this board can say they really know Kobe Bryant and what he did or didn't do or will do. Everyone in the world thought that Kobe was a good father and loving husband. He has fooled all of us. Lets look at the facts only..... He got married had a child and has cheated on his family. That is enough for me to put him in the same category of politicians. (someone you just don't trust, no matter how many lies they tell you) He is guilty of adultery and when the courts deiced what to do with him for his actions we can discus how lenient or harsh the verdict was. Until then I don't see how bitching on a message board about Kobe is a (good guy/a$$hole) is worth are time, nor going to help the Suns win the Finals.

I agree that it is time to let this thread die.

At least until the actual trial.
 

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I agree as well....Joe you should lock this soon

No need to lock it down, just let it die until it heats up again(trial time)
 

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Originally posted by arthurracoon
No need to lock it down, just let it die until it heats up again(trial time)

That doesnt happen on this board. 270 replies and it has shown no signs of slowing......

if the moderators think it has been exhausted, the only way to stop it is to lock it IMO
 

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As a father of 5, ages 4 to 15, this event becomes a teaching opportunity.... I am going to make sure I use these events to the best of my ability to make sure my kids lives end up better...

Must ... take ... notes ...
 

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Dammit!
 

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