Bulls at Suns Game Thread

[Cheesebeef]

Bell really does look lost out there.

 

[krispydude]

hill has been looking good the past few games. should help out against teams like SA when nash is shut down.

im starting to question amare's maturity though. ive never seen anyone go from 1 foul to 5 fouls so quickly. he got pissed because he got called on that foul on thomas when he was going up for the 2nd block, and yes it was a foul, he got his wrist big time. so what does amare do? tries to bull over thomas and show how tough he is.

boris looked like crap until the 4th quarter and at least he showed up then. still way too inconsistent.

barbosa is a stud.

this team currently has ZERO chance to beat the spurs or jazz in a playoff series. i dont see anyway to improve these chances without a trade of some sort.

 

[cly2tw]

hill has been looking good the past few games. should help out against teams like SA when nash is shut down.

im starting to question amare's maturity though. ive never seen anyone go from 1 foul to 5 fouls so quickly. he got pissed because he got called on that foul on thomas when he was going up for the 2nd block, and yes it was a foul, he got his wrist big time. so what does amare do? tries to bull over thomas and show how tough he is.

boris looked like crap until the 4th quarter and at least he showed up then. still way too inconsistent.

barbosa is a stud.

this team currently has ZERO chance to beat the spurs or jazz in a playoff series. i dont see anyway to improve these chances without a trade of some sort.

The block on the top was clean. They called it on body contact underneath. Duncan would never have been called for this.

We don't have any chance anywhere if Bell still refuses to pass to Amare as a starter.

 

[krispydude]

The block on the top was clean. They called it on body contact underneath. Duncan would never have been called for this.

We don't have any chance anywhere if Bell still refuses to pass to Amare as a starter.

nope, just watched it again in slo mo. 1st was clean, 2nd one amare didnt even touch the ball. it was the right call.

 

[green machine]

hill has been looking good the past few games. should help out against teams like SA when nash is shut down.

im starting to question amare's maturity though. ive never seen anyone go from 1 foul to 5 fouls so quickly. he got pissed because he got called on that foul on thomas when he was going up for the 2nd block, and yes it was a foul, he got his wrist big time. so what does amare do? tries to bull over thomas and show how tough he is.

boris looked like crap until the 4th quarter and at least he showed up then. still way too inconsistent.

barbosa is a stud.

this team currently has ZERO chance to beat the spurs or jazz in a playoff series. i dont see anyway to improve these chances without a trade of some sort.

Really, the Jazz? Like they're a juggernaut in their own right.

Come on guys, let's see where this team is in, say, January before we start to talk about who they won't be able to beat.

 

[asudevil83]

Diaw only plays well when Amare is out, which makes no sense because a) why was amare out for the last minutes of the game b) this team will not go all the way if this is the case

Im 98% content with moving diaw for $0.75 on the dollar.

Diaw-Turk would be a super move.

i was under the impression that $.75 on the dollar meant trading your guy for something less valuable.

Diaw - 9.2/4.4/4.8
Turk - 18.4/5.8/3.7

 

[mathbzh]

Diaw only plays well when Amare is out, which makes no sense because a) why was amare out for the last minutes of the game b) this team will not go all the way if this is the case

Obvious Solution:
Trade Amare so Boris can play well (The value of Amare could bring us an answer for b) ).

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

i was under the impression that $.75 on the dollar meant trading your guy for something less valuable.

Diaw - 9.2/4.4/4.8
Turk - 18.4/5.8/3.7

Those two statements werent directly related but more of a stream of consciousness.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The block on the top was clean. They called it on body contact underneath. Duncan would never have been called for this.

We don't have any chance anywhere if Bell still refuses to pass to Amare as a starter.

nope, just watched it again in slo mo. 1st was clean, 2nd one amare didnt even touch the ball. it was the right call.

Second block was definitely a foul. He started on the ball, ended up on his wrist. At normal speed, it looked like a block. Replay showed differently.

 

[NastyOne]

Obvious Solution:
Trade Amare so Boris can play well (The value of Amare could bring us an answer for b) ).

You have got to be kidding me right?

Trading Amare so Doris can play with some balls has to be the dumbest thing i've ever read on these boards.

Either Doris mans up and starts playing with some fire all the time or he doesnt. Neither has anything to do with Amare on the team, its all on Diaw and Diaw alone.

There is no way we become a better team if we move our most dominant player unless we're getting someone like Dwight Howard in return, and there is very slim chance of him being moved.

The best thing that could happen is Diaw realizes his potential and starts playing like a man every night and not just when he feels like it. If not ship him out and bring another outside threat in here like Turkoglu or Mike Miller.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You have got to be kidding me right?

Trading Amare so Doris can play with some balls has to be the dumbest thing i've ever read on these boards.

Either Doris mans up and starts playing with some fire all the time or he doesnt. Neither has anything to do with Amare on the team, its all on Diaw and Diaw alone.

There is no way we become a better team if we move our most dominant player unless we're getting someone like Dwight Howard in return, and there is very slim chance of him being moved.

The best thing that could happen is Diaw realizes his potential and starts playing like a man every night and not just when he feels like it. If not ship him out and bring another outside threat in here like Turkoglu or Mike Miller.

It has been said that we are a better team without Amare. It's not all that crazy.

I don't think that he gets moved either, but not even Amare is untradeable.

 

[Mulli]

I had to read at least ten posts to determine whether the Suns won or not.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I had to read at least ten posts to determine whether the Suns won or not.

Yes.

put by 15 in the 1st half, promptly gave it all back.

Played tough in the 4th to pull it out.

 

[mathbzh]

You have got to be kidding me right?

Trading Amare so Doris can play with some balls has to be the dumbest thing i've ever read on these boards.

Either Doris mans up and starts playing with some fire all the time or he doesnt. Neither has anything to do with Amare on the team, its all on Diaw and Diaw alone.

There is no way we become a better team if we move our most dominant player unless we're getting someone like Dwight Howard in return, and there is very slim chance of him being moved.

The best thing that could happen is Diaw realizes his potential and starts playing like a man every night and not just when he feels like it. If not ship him out and bring another outside threat in here like Turkoglu or Mike Miller.

I was kidding of course. But not that much.

As many people here I am (very) disapointed with Boris.
But how do you expect a team to give him 9 million a year with his production? I believe he is untradable right now (unless we can do something like the Mavs with Finley).

- Amare has a lot of value and could interest many team.
- He is not a good defender, go easily in foul trouble, could suffered another knee injury again, is not a great rebounder...
- With Amare out, Diaw would have a chance to do better...

That said... I hope we will NOT trade him...

 

[mathbzh]

The best thing that could happen is Diaw realizes his potential and starts playing like a man every night and not just when he feels like it. If not ship him out and bring another outside threat in here like Turkoglu or Mike Miller.

100% agree... but I am afraid it will never happen.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Really, the Jazz? Like they're a juggernaut in their own right.

Come on guys, let's see where this team is in, say, January before we start to talk about who they won't be able to beat.

Exactly.

Amazing how all of a sudden the Rockets and Jazz have passed us by without actually beating us at anything of consequence. Hell the Rockets cant even get a win against us.

I love how the board is melting down and complaining about Amare, Diaw and Bell when to me the most obvious and most important storyline was how Grant Hill looked.

Amare will be Amare, Bell will come around and even if he doesn't Barbosa will get his minutes, and Diaw will continue to be inconsistent. But he will win us some games too.

Grant Hill has looked GREAT the last two games and all of a sudden we are going to be able to put a lot more offensive pressure on teams - including the Spurs. His game was tailor made for this team and he is finding his role. As the # 2 scorer and distributor. Big time stuff from Hill.

It always takes us 15 - 20 game to start clicking on all cylinders. At least this year we are doing it with the benefit of a freaking 7-2 record. That overtheseas or whatever his name comes on here and say our record is inflated or what but the reality is at some point we are going to turn it on and now combined with our good start - should get 60+ wins.

I think the rest of the league should be watching our games and thinking "Damn - once the guys who ALWAYS play well start playing well we are in trouble."

Grant Hill will save our season.

 

[NastyOne]

It has been said that we are a better team without Amare. It's not all that crazy.

I don't think that he gets moved either, but not even Amare is untradeable.

Maybe in the regular season where nothing counts, but Amare has always been our only consistent scorer in the playoffs.

If Amare is ever traded without getting someone like Dwight Howard or Kobe Bryant type of superstar in return, this organization will feel the effects of that blunder for the next decade.


Damn we are not even 10 games into the season and alot of people are already willing to pull the plug on our young superstar that didnt even have preseason to get into game shape and then was also setback with a minor injury that made him miss a couple of games.

You'd think people would be happy with his 10 blocks in his last 2 games and his improvement in defending the paint, but some people rather cry about his fouls from being too aggressive. But the thing is Amare has no choice but to play this way against bigger players or he'd get manhandled. So its eat or be eaten and you know Amare doesnt back down from anything.

Maybe if we got a real damn center and cut this small ball lineup crap out, Amare could stay out of foul trouble and not use up all his energy trying to keep guys that are taller/stronger out of the paint.

Its ridiculous to blame Amare for not being a stout defender to this point in his career when hes playing out of position on a team where other than Raja Bell no one plays good man to man defense so guys are always getting into the lane and it forces Amare to either react leaving his man open for a easy dump off or trying to prevent an easy basket and sometimes picking up a foul.

I wont hate on Amare's defense or the fouls he picks up until i see him play his natural position on the floor with a real bigman holding down the center spot.

 

[Stargazer]

This is a bit off-topic, but speaking of Amare's blocks, aren't blocked shots a bit overrated as a statistic? They only matter in the game if: (a) the shot would have gone in but for the block, and (b) your team recovers the blocked shot. And even then its only as important as a rebound or a single missed shot (i.e., it takes away one possession). By far the most important single statistic seems to me to be offensive rebounds and put backs, since they: (a) count for another possession, and (b) successfully complete that extra possession by scoring 2 points. Failing to box out and letting the other team get a single offensive rebound and put back cancels out 4 or 5 blocks in the game. [This isn't a knock on Amare, by the way, just an observation]

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Maybe in the regular season where nothing counts, but Amare has always been our only consistent scorer in the playoffs.

Disagree. Nash has been consistent as well.

If Amare is ever traded without getting someone like Dwight Howard or Kobe Bryant type of superstar in return, this organization will feel the effects of that blunder for the next decade.

We wouldn't trade Amare for a bunch of scrubs. A superstar of the highest caliber is the only way that a trade would happen.

Damn we are not even 10 games into the season and alot of people are already willing to pull the plug on our young superstar that didnt even have preseason to get into game shape and then was also setback with a minor injury that made him miss a couple of games.

Talking about hypotheticals is not pulling the plug.

You'd think people would be happy with his 10 blocks in his last 2 games and his improvement in defending the paint, but some people rather cry about his fouls from being too aggressive. But the thing is Amare has no choice but to play this way against bigger players or he'd get manhandled. So its eat or be eaten and you know Amare doesnt back down from anything.

Good point.

Maybe if we got a real damn center and cut this small ball lineup crap out, Amare could stay out of foul trouble and not use up all his energy trying to keep guys that are taller/stronger out of the paint.

We do this, and Barbosa, Marion, and Bell begin to suffer. This style is great for what type of players that we have.

Its ridiculous to blame Amare for not being a stout defender to this point in his career when hes playing out of position on a team where other than Raja Bell no one plays good man to man defense so guys are always getting into the lane and it forces Amare to either react leaving his man open for a easy dump off or trying to prevent an easy basket and sometimes picking up a foul.

I wont hate on Amare's defense or the fouls he picks up until i see him play his natural position on the floor with a real bigman holding down the center spot.

People are blaming Amare for being a stout defender?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

This is a bit off-topic, but speaking of Amare's blocks, aren't blocked shots a bit overrated as a statistic? They only matter in the game if: (a) the shot would have gone in but for the block, and (b) your team recovers the blocked shot. And even then its only as important as a rebound or a single missed shot (i.e., it takes away one possession). By far the most important single statistic seems to me to be offensive rebounds and put backs, since they: (a) count for another possession, and (b) successfully complete that extra possession by scoring 2 points. Failing to box out and letting the other team get a single offensive rebound and put back cancels out 4 or 5 blocks in the game. [This isn't a knock on Amare, by the way, just an observation]

A blocked shot or 2 can be a momentum changer.

 

[Rab]

It's amazing to me to see the difference Grant Hill can make when he plays HIS game, and sprinkles in a 3 here and there. This is the Grant Hill that will help us the most. His mid-range game is beautiful to watch when he is on. Also, how many times did he not run to the corner 3 in transition, only to slash to the hoop and get rewarded? I loved it. He's not going to score that many points every game, no doubt, but that's how we are going to maximize him on this team. Start inside first, then perhaps you can work your way out. That last 3 he took was one of the uglier shots I've seen in a while though. Good thing Boris was there. LOL

Speaking of Boris, where the hell did he come from all of a sudden? He was all over the place after playing a piss poor first 3 quarters. He was aggressive, made good decisions, and defended well. It was like someone put a new battery in him and he was running smoothly again.

There were a couple pretty dumb fouls called on Amare, but a couple of others were his fault. You can tell he's still not where he needs to be quickness wise yet. He's not able to move his feet quickly yet, but I think he'll get there. I was really impressed with how many blocked shots he was getting, and how many shots he changed. He'll get better guys. He still played well in limited minutes yesterday.

 

[jandaman]

Someone bring up Jazz record against the Suns as of late (like the last 2 seasons)

factor their improvement this season and the Jazz's strengths... and Suns weaknesses this season...

They will beat us, unless Amare becomes BETTER in the boards and defensive end....

 

[cly2tw]

Have some of you guys really watched the game? Amare was the most consistent player both on offense and defense for the Suns. Hill cames in a close second. LB had some great stretches there too. The momentum killers were the turnovers by Diaw and Nash as well as whenever Raja touched the ball. And some of you kept scolding Amare for two too aggressive moves that resulted in offensive fouls called on him? That's really crazy.

 

[BC867]

Maybe if we got a real damn center and cut this small ball lineup crap out, Amare could stay out of foul trouble and not use up all his energy trying to keep guys that are taller/stronger out of the paint ...

I wont hate on Amare's defense or the fouls he picks up until i see him play his natural position on the floor with a real bigman holding down the center spot...

 

[Rab]

Have some of you guys really watched the game? Amare was the most consistent player both on offense and defense for the Suns. Hill cames in a close second. LB had some great stretches there too. The momentum killers were the turnovers by Diaw and Nash as well as whenever Raja touched the ball. And some of you kept scolding Amare for two too aggressive moves that resulted in offensive fouls called on him? That's really crazy.

There's a fine line with Amare between being aggressive, and turning matchups into personal battles. That's where he gets himself in trouble in terms of fouls.