Butler Denied Permission, Horton Expected to be Next DC

[New Mexico]

Does Whiz trust anybody not a Steeler?

 

[Shane]

So trying hard and failing is better than succeeding to a lesser extent? I'm sure that Max Hall will be happy that's your position.

The Cards are now stuck with Ray Horton (apparently), who will have little credibility in the locker room because he's clearly not the coaching staff's first choice (or even perhaps second). Horton will be on a short leash for whenever Keith Butler actually becomes available again (as Bill Davis was).

Having a plan and failing to execute it? Isn't that why we went through three quarterbacks this season?

You spouting off that Horton will have no "credibility" is idiotic. Just sour grapes on your part.

 

[THESMEL]

Cool Horton or Butler is a significant upgrade. If Butler wants to come to AZ and the Steelers denied(like I predicted) it sucks to be Butler.

We need OLB for the 9th year in a row, I think Hayes has a chance to recover and be a solid starter if not great like he was for years now. most underapprieciated player in the NFL. But had a nice payday under Denny.

Whiz hasn't re-signed any drafted Card except Fitz, AW and DD in 5 years!

Anyhow DWash and DWill are in place DRC needs a boot up his tailfeathers but He's a neede CB.

AW, Rhodes, in the middle Horton needs a top CB at #5 pick. And 3-4 OLB's maybe 5 or 6 of them! still. Obrien and Davis are not sure things, Haggins and Porter are spent! Now way past their primes. Maybe spot duty and some leadership?

I haven't seen any talent at QB that is BPA over either of the top 5 CB's? CB's don't develope eliteness often, they either have it or they don't. Premium NFL position every year, and even more important on this 3-4 under Horton.

AW at WILB would be interesting along with Dwash at WILB on pass downs!

But our philosphy just switched from bend don't break to Break don't bend.

We will now get turnovers as a result of solid defense instead of risking for turnovers every single down. with tackling and coverage as 2ndary priorioties.

 

[Shane]

Does Whiz trust anybody not a Steeler?

Wait? Hs first two DC's were Steelers?

 

[bg7brd]

So trying hard and failing is better than succeeding to a lesser extent? I'm sure that Max Hall will be happy that's your position.

The Cards are now stuck with Ray Horton (apparently), who will have little credibility in the locker room because he's clearly not the coaching staff's first choice (or even perhaps second). Horton will be on a short leash for whenever Keith Butler actually becomes available again (as Bill Davis was).

Having a plan and failing to execute it? Isn't that why we went through three quarterbacks this season?

Seriously??? Whiz wanted Butler and didn't get him and now he has his 2nd choice. You make it sound like we got some piece of crap leftover. Horton comes highly regarded and I HIGHLY doubt this will have any effect on the locker room.

 

[Hypothesis]

Well if this report is true, it's certainly a little disheartening, but I think Horton is a good candidate as well. I'm not going to shed any tears over this.

 

[az jam]

Whisenhunt never said that Butler was his first choice. Everyone just assumed that he was. He always said that there were several candidates in the Super bowl that he wanted to interview. Horton will be fine. A quality hire.

 

[Longcolts]

Does Whiz trust anybody not a Steeler?

Todd Haley came to us via the Cowboys and never worked for the Steelers.

 

[TopGun]

Rooney probably believes that Butler doesn't count because he's white.

Shane that was dead on!! lol I needed the laugh, because it's better then crying, which I was about to do.

I still feel sick though.

 

[joeshmo]

So trying hard and failing is better than succeeding to a lesser extent? I'm sure that Max Hall will be happy that's your position.

The Cards are now stuck with Ray Horton (apparently), who will have little credibility in the locker room because he's clearly not the coaching staff's first choice (or even perhaps second). Horton will be on a short leash for whenever Keith Butler actually becomes available again (as Bill Davis was).

Having a plan and failing to execute it? Isn't that why we went through three quarterbacks this season?

Better to have tried then never tried at all. Its like the guy at the bar who refuses to hit on the "10" and settles for the "5" every time. What is better occasionally going home with the 10 or bagging a bunch of fatties. Unless you are in to that sort of thing and more power to you.

You better believe the players know this is all a business, and that is exactly what happened. They are not going to feel one way or another about choice 1 or 2 as long as they guy comes in and they like what he does and does for them. The players know all about risk and will not fault Wiz or the new coach for it.

 

[FArting]

How come Kent or Darren haven't said anything about this?

 

[kerouac9]

You spouting off that Horton will have no "credibility" is idiotic. Just sour grapes on your part.

Why is it "idiotic"? Why "sour grapes"? The message has been clear that Whis had one candidate on his mind: Keith Butler. This is the second or third time he's been unable to get him.

IMO, Whis's continuing reliance on former Steeler assistants will be what ruins his future in Arizona, and possibly as a head coach with another franchise.

I have no idea whether Horton will work out or not. I sincerely hope he does, but there were certainly more qualified candidates who were passed over or allowed to accept other positions because this staff had fallen in love with a Pittsburgh assistant (again).

 

[Shane]

Shane that was dead on!! lol I needed the laugh, because it's better then crying, which I was about to do.

I still feel sick though.

Don't. Horton is respected around the league and was a candidate for the Cowboys DC position as well. He is not a bad hire no matter what K9 says IMO.

 

[New Mexico]

Wait? Hs first two DC's were Steelers?

Clancy was a holdover that Whiz never wanted. When he finally got to fire him, he hired Billy Davis, who coached the Steeler defense for three years under Cower. Yes, I get it that not every hire is a former Steeler, but pllllllllleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeee, this is getting ridiculous.

 

[Shane]

Why is it "idiotic"? Why "sour grapes"? The message has been clear that Whis had one candidate on his mind: Keith Butler. This is the second or third time he's been unable to get him.

IMO, Whis's continuing reliance on former Steeler assistants will be what ruins his future in Arizona, and possibly as a head coach with another franchise.

I have no idea whether Horton will work out or not. I sincerely hope he does, but there were certainly more qualified candidates who were passed over or allowed to accept other positions because this staff had fallen in love with a Pittsburgh assistant (again).

Its only the 2nd time. Its idiotic because Horton is considered a quality coach in this league. You just spouting off saying that the players wont hold him in any type of respect is just off the charts and you have nothing to back it up.

 

[kerouac9]

Better to have tried then never tried at all. Its like the guy at the bar who refuses to hit on the "10" and settles for the "5" every time. What is better occasionally going home with the 10 or bagging a bunch of fatties. Unless you are in to that sort of thing and more power to you.

You better believe the players know this is all a business, and that is exactly what happened. They are not going to feel one way or another about choice 1 or 2 as long as they guy comes in and they like what he does and does for them. The players know all about risk and will not fault Wiz or the new coach for it.

Why is the choice between a 5 and a 10? There were plenty of 8 or 9 candidates out there. The problem is that Whis is holding a flame for a high school crush who's married to someone else. That's never going to work out, and it doesn't matter how hot she is.

If you struck out with the 10 and now you're left with a 3?

 

[Shane]

If you struck out with the 10 and now you're left with a 3?

Horton is a 3 because you say so? Got it. Typical.

 

[joeshmo]

I sincerely hope he does, but there were certainly more qualified candidates who were passed over or allowed to accept other positions because this staff had fallen in love with a Pittsburgh assistant (again).

Tell me about it. So many offensive line coaches out there to pick from to be our next DC.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

When did Whiz, or any other Cardinals' official say Butler was the top choice ?

Also, I guess the Cardinals are the only team this happens to right ? It is not like this hasn't happened a billion times before where the "media's #1 choice didnt' turn out to be the guy" ?


Not saying this is a great situation, but again, I am not sure what the complaint is ?

That the Cardinals instead of panicing, looked at all their options and choose the best one available at the time ?

Not getting it?

As for the respect of the players in the locker room ? LOLOLOL Holy Mackerel!

How about the defense actually stop an offense and worry about their own necks ? The players have no right to judge when they can't take care of their own situations.

 

[az jam]

Bio from Pittsburgh Steeler website on Ray Horton:


Ray Horton is in his fourth season as defensive backs coach after serving the previous three seasons as the team’s assistant defensive backs coach. He was promoted to his current position after Mike Tomlin was hired in January, 2007.

Horton has helped perennial All-Pro safety Troy Polamalu become one of the NFL's top safeties, earning trips to each of the past five Pro Bowls.

Horton is in his 16th year as an NFL coach following a solid 10-year NFL playing career. Prior to his Steelers’ appointment on Jan. 24, 2004, Horton spent the previous two seasons at Detroit as the Lions’ secondary coach.

Horton, who enters his 16th season coaching in the National Football League, received his first coaching opportunity as an assistant defensive backs coach for the Washington Redskins, where he coached Hall of Famer Darrell Green from 1994-96. He then was hired as defensive backs coach for the Cincinnati Bengals (1997-01).

Horton played cornerback for the Bengals from 1983-88 and played in Super Bowl XXIII. He finished his career with the Dallas Cowboys from 1989-92 and was a member of the Cowboys’ Super Bowl XXVII Champion ship squad.

Horton played at the University of Washington, where he earned All Pac-10 honors. He was a second-round selection by the Bengals in the 1983 NFL Draft (53rd overall).

Horton has a daughter, Taylor (22), who attends Wheaton College, and a son, Jarren (18

 

[kerouac9]

Its only the 2nd time. Its idiotic because Horton is considered a quality coach in this league. You just spouting off saying that the players wont hold him in any type of respect is just off the charts and you have nothing to back it up.

You don't have any evidence that Horton is considered a quality coach in the league, so I guess we're even. At the very least I have the obvious evidence that Butler or the Steelers have spurned Whis at least twice now.

I didn't say "the players won't hold him in any type of respect." Please don't put words in my mouth. Obviously he's going to have less credibility for not being the top choice. The guys are still going to play hard for him because they're jobs are on the line.

But if Bill Davis was the choice the team was "stuck with" two years ago, then how is Ray Horton that different?

 

[Longcolts]

Clancy was a holdover that Whiz never wanted. When he finally got to fire him, he hired Billy Davis, who coached the Steeler defense for three years under Cower. Yes, I get it that not every hire is a former Steeler, but pllllllllleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeee, this is getting ridiculous.

From 92-95 he coached under Cowher. That's a bit of a stretch.

 

[PDXChris]

Just now from Kent Somers. Someone may have jumped the gun.

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[bg7brd]

Why is the choice between a 5 and a 10? There were plenty of 8 or 9 candidates out there. The problem is that Whis is holding a flame for a high school crush who's married to someone else. That's never going to work out, and it doesn't matter how hot she is.

If you struck out with the 10 and now you're left with a 3?

Who are these 8 or 9's that are clearly better than Horton? And are you saying that Horton is a 3? Seriously?

 

[New Mexico]

Todd Haley came to us via the Cowboys and never worked for the Steelers.

Eh. Haley is a Steeler through and through. His dad was the Director of Player Personnel for the Steelers for 19 years.

For the most part, we don't hire coaches or pick up players unless the were once Steelers.