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What is the benefit of cutting Baker to add worse players on an already bad defense?

Obvious. You replace an 8 rated safety with a 6 rated safety for a 3rd of the money.

You take that money and replace your 4 rated lineman and your 4 rated cornerback with 6's and 7's.

Collectively boosting your overall talent in those positions from 16 total to 19 total.

Except of course not all positions are of equal value, so you barely notice the drop off from 8 to 6 at safety. But you notice greatly the improvement at DL and CB from 4 to 6 and 7.
 

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Obvious. You replace an 8 rated safety with a 6 rated safety for a 3rd of the money.

You take that money and replace your 4 rated lineman and your 4 rated cornerback with 6's and 7's.

Collectively boosting your overall talent in those positions from 16 total to 19 total.

Except of course not all positions are of equal value, so you barely notice the drop off from 8 to 6 at safety. But you notice greatly the improvement at DL and CB from 4 to 6 and 7.
You spent the entire off-season arguing how it is up to the players in free agency as to where they go. Last year, no quality FAs wanted to come to AZ by that logic. Now suddenly after another horrible year, you are stating that we will be able to sign multiple quality players? That makes zero sense.
 
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You spent the entire off-season arguing how it is up to the players in free agency as to where they go. Last year, no quality FAs wanted to come to AZ by that logic. Now suddenly after another horrible year, you are stating that we will be able to sign multiple quality players? That makes zero sense.

I did not spend all offseason arguing that. What I said was that FA's were not going to be attracted to a team with a QB out with a torn ACL that would be starting Colt McCoy for an undetermined period when they have the option of a team with an actual chance of winning.

That's no longer the case. Although yes, like any FA players they have a choice of where to go. But if you have a QB players believe in and a coach/culture that is attractive you can attract FA's without issue. As franchises like the Jags, Jets, Lions, Bengals and Bears have done despite several years of being poor teams.
 

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You spent the entire off-season arguing how it is up to the players in free agency as to where they go. Last year, no quality FAs wanted to come to AZ by that logic. Now suddenly after another horrible year, you are stating that we will be able to sign multiple quality players? That makes zero sense.
Add to this that many said there WEREN'T ANY FAs that could have helped us in the offseason. Who's to say there will be quality players in positions of need for us to even sign, let alone that want to sign?

I have a feeling we're in for another offseason of excuse making.
 

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I just don't believe the Cardinals will be able to add one player as good as Budda in FA, much less multiple. Maybe they empty the safe for an EDGE guy but I don't see much more being added in terms of top talent.
remember that Philly graphic from the super bowl? The one showing that about 8 of 11 starters on each side...were drafted by Philly...
I think thats the plan here. Draft.Draft.Draft...build a winner.
cool if it works.
 

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I just don't believe the Cardinals will be able to add one player as good as Budda in FA, much less multiple. Maybe they empty the safe for an EDGE guy but I don't see much more being added in terms of top talent.
I think the idea would be trading a quarter for two dimes and some pennys.
 

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There is no way in the modern NFL anyone should expect a rebuild to take 3 years, let alone 6. The league is literally built to help teams rebuild.
Tend to agree. However...when was the last time this team was actually "built"
We ain't rebuilding because we have nothing to rebuild from.
This is a foundation up full new build.
Unless you count the pier blocks under the doublewide as a foundation.
We haven't had a good combination of star power supported by high quality depth since the team Denny Green built...and he did it with some really good drafts.
 

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Tend to agree. However...when was the last time this team was actually "built"
We ain't rebuilding because we have nothing to rebuild from.
This is a foundation up full new build.
Unless you count the pier blocks under the doublewide as a foundation.
We haven't had a good combination of star power supported by high quality depth since the team Denny Green built...and he did it with some really good drafts.
What happened to the Arians years? Did the ncaa negate them?
 

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Tend to agree. However...when was the last time this team was actually "built"
We ain't rebuilding because we have nothing to rebuild from.
This is a foundation up full new build.
Unless you count the pier blocks under the doublewide as a foundation.
We haven't had a good combination of star power supported by high quality depth since the team Denny Green built...and he did it with some really good drafts.
Sure, we're building from the ground up, but nothing in the rules says you can only rebuild through the draft. You shouldn't go crazy in FA--which is why it was crazy for Monti to say "Nah, we're good" last offseason in FA--but FA should absolutely be part of the rebuild.
 

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Tend to agree. However...when was the last time this team was actually "built"
We ain't rebuilding because we have nothing to rebuild from.
This is a foundation up full new build.
Unless you count the pier blocks under the doublewide as a foundation.
We haven't had a good combination of star power supported by high quality depth since the team Denny Green built...and he did it with some really good drafts.
We certainly had some very good skill position star talent during that period. However, we needed an amazing QB like Warner just to manage 9-7 and 10-6 records because the defense was a dumpster fire 75% of the time. (Plus on rare occasions Warner would have a terrible game) We were also fortunate that the other NFC West teams were awful during those two years.
 

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Sure, we're building from the ground up, but nothing in the rules says you can only rebuild through the draft. You shouldn't go crazy in FA--which is why it was crazy for Monti to say "Nah, we're good" last offseason in FA--but FA should absolutely be part of the rebuild.
The challenge with this is with many proven FA you’re maybe getting 2-3 peak years and then managing a declining asset.

I think FAs are best managed to raise the floor of your roster as young players develop. The problem is that we lack high-end talent everywhere but QB and (absurdly) safety. So we have to keep hoping elite prospects reveal themselves while we build the base of a 7-win team.

That’s the Steelers way.
 

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Sure, we're building from the ground up, but nothing in the rules says you can only rebuild through the draft. You shouldn't go crazy in FA--which is why it was crazy for Monti to say "Nah, we're good" last offseason in FA--but FA should absolutely be part of the rebuild.
Name a good team built through free agency.

I'll wait.
 

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