Calais Campbell and several ex-Cards in The U scandal

[AzStevenCal]

You don't find it odd that a 5 game suspension is exactly what was going to be imposed on the Ohio State players?

No, not at all. I'm not saying that it wasn't because of his college violations, obviously it was. I just think the penalty was negotiated with Pryor's group so that it wouldn't be contested in court. Maybe it's a small difference but I don't think he had to exercise his Commissioner's powers on this one. Both sides managed to avoid something that could have landed them in court.

Steve

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

ddockett DARNELL DOCKETT
Dear Florida Football recruits. Now that UM will go on probation till year 3096 yall feel free to go join the best school in Fla, "FSU" thx

did he mention that,at FSU, they will never have to worry about taking tests or receiving a passing grade. Plus, I hear the local retail stores give a pretty good discount.

 

[Southpaw]

What is really amazing is that Shapiro is upset because he got caught cheating people, went to prison, and now nobody wants to associate with him.

What an egotistical scumbag.

Actually he is demented and psychologically flawed. Goes way beyond ego. He is crazy. None the less, Miami players , past and present , went along for the ride with full knowledge, so it seems. No innocents in this one, IMHO.

 

[Southpaw]

Never thought I'd see the NFL imposing NCAA sanctions on players. Unreal.

The NFL, arguably unfairly, uses the NCAA as its farm system/ minor leagues. This may be an admission of that theory. If so, Pandora's box just opened.

 

[Duckjake]

No, not at all. I'm not saying that it wasn't because of his college violations, obviously it was. I just think the penalty was negotiated with Pryor's group so that it wouldn't be contested in court. Maybe it's a small difference but I don't think he had to exercise his Commissioner's powers on this one. Both sides managed to avoid something that could have landed them in court.

Steve

So in other words the NFL imposed the NCAA sanctions on Pryor.

 

[Russ Smith]

You don't find it odd that a 5 game suspension is exactly what was going to be imposed on the Ohio State players?

Sure but the NFL is a 16 game season so he's going to miss about a 3rd of the season where in college he'd miss nearly half. If they were going to follow college they would have done 7 or 8 games.

They said that he tried to undermine the rules of the draft, as Steven said it's because when they knew he wasn't eligible they intentionally released information that would get him ruled ineligible by the NCAA thus making him eligible for the Supp draft.

On the money thing nobody seems to be seeing this but the reports say that the Feds have publicly stated they will pursue ALL the money that Shapiro reportedly paid to Miami players because they are in the process of trying to recover the money he embezzled from his investors and that money is part of it.

So if Rolle and Wilfork et al really took money from this guy, they're going to have the Feds demanding they pay it back and it will be interesting at that point if the IRS then decides to get involved. I guess it all depends on what sort of records Shapiro kept, can he really document payments well enough that the Feds can say Antrell Rolle you got X and you have to pay it all back?

But this also means the NCAA will have access to a lot of information they wouldn't otherwise get because the Feds can subpoena it.

 

[Russ Smith]

No, not at all. I'm not saying that it wasn't because of his college violations, obviously it was. I just think the penalty was negotiated with Pryor's group so that it wouldn't be contested in court. Maybe it's a small difference but I don't think he had to exercise his Commissioner's powers on this one. Both sides managed to avoid something that could have landed them in court.

Steve

His attorney Cornwell was on ESPN this morning and he said they probably will now challenge the NFL ruling. He seemed to want to do it for technical reasons he wants the NFLPA to go on record as opposing this and apparently if they challenge it, then it forces the NFLPA to take a stance. Seems weird but that's how I took his comments.

 

[Catfish]

What is sad is all the schools that don't cheat haven't got a chance, that makes the BYU and Utahs that much more fantastic.

While all the "popular" universities have their head in the sand, AZ in the air lined up for miles down the beach, Those who play with honor and sportsmanship should be able to walk down that beach with a bat and use their sacks as pinata's.

they should strip every national championship for way back that list. Yea it's criminal on the players part, kids or not. 14 year olds are tried as adults for crimes, These guys walk away with millions and a smile.

I'm a long time removed and don't care, BUT I LOVE THE U!

U SUCK!

Nice reply. As I previously said, there will undoubtedly be some very good kids who got caught up in this mess. But MOST of the punks who play for the U deserve what they got. Most of them would accept more of the same tomorrow, because it is what they do. They feed off the givers who offer them a scholarship and a chance to play in the pros. They repay them with style and egotism rather than substance and dedication. It's all about them, not about team.

I find little of good to speak of at all when I consider the 'U', and that goes back a good number of years now. I have watched them take their classless show on the road quite often, including when they showed up at the Fiesta Bowl in combat fatigues, only to be handed their ass on a platter. The only good thing I have to say about the 'U' is, it's about time they were exposed for what they are, a classless organization that only promotes image.

 

[Catfish]

Seriously, how can you say that the same isn't going on at BYU or Utah? Because Warren Jeffs and the likes are such stand up guys?

How can you (seriously) call him out when you fail to justify your own position. I fail to see what Warren Jeffs has to do with football.

 

[Duckjake]

Sure but the NFL is a 16 game season so he's going to miss about a 3rd of the season where in college he'd miss nearly half. If they were going to follow college they would have done 7 or 8 games.

They said that he tried to undermine the rules of the draft, as Steven said it's because when they knew he wasn't eligible they intentionally released information that would get him ruled ineligible by the NCAA thus making him eligible for the Supp draft.

On the money thing nobody seems to be seeing this but the reports say that the Feds have publicly stated they will pursue ALL the money that Shapiro reportedly paid to Miami players because they are in the process of trying to recover the money he embezzled from his investors and that money is part of it.

So if Rolle and Wilfork et al really took money from this guy, they're going to have the Feds demanding they pay it back and it will be interesting at that point if the IRS then decides to get involved. I guess it all depends on what sort of records Shapiro kept, can he really document payments well enough that the Feds can say Antrell Rolle you got X and you have to pay it all back?

But this also means the NCAA will have access to a lot of information they wouldn't otherwise get because the Feds can subpoena it.

Ohio State could play 14 games this season. So there's not that much difference. Besides its still the exact same # of games the college players were suspended. Which is fishy to me.

As for paying back the money at Miami, what did they get at most $25,000 or so? Chump change to most of those guys now.

 

[AzStevenCal]

So in other words the NFL imposed the NCAA sanctions on Pryor.

I was wrong. Apparently the Commissioner was very much exercising his broad rights to protect the game and the sanctions weren't negotiated. It makes me wonder why he allowed the guy into the Supplemental Draft in the first place.

Steve

 

[Russ Smith]

Ohio State could play 14 games this season. So there's not that much difference. Besides its still the exact same # of games the college players were suspended. Which is fishy to me.

As for paying back the money at Miami, what did they get at most $25,000 or so? Chump change to most of those guys now.

yeah it's not the amount it's that they will be paying it back to the Feds. Because if they do admit they took the money they not only have to pay it back, they might face tax charges. I don't care how much money you earn you NEVER want to be invited to meet with Federal agents or the IRS about money.

 

[Russ Smith]

I was wrong. Apparently the Commissioner was very much exercising his broad rights to protect the game and the sanctions weren't negotiated. It makes me wonder why he allowed the guy into the Supplemental Draft in the first place.

Steve

Pryor's agent said they accepted it which is why everyone assumed it was negotiated.

As to why they let him in, ESPN had the former agent on this morning the guy who admitted last year to paying lots of players and wrote a book about it(Blanking on the name). he said his guess is that the NFL paid attention to what happened to Clarett and decided that given Pryor's history making him sit out an entire season without the NFL, or college, was a very bad idea for him. So they actually in his opinion did this to help Pryor, he can't play, but he can have the backing of an NFL team and the structure of it to help him stay out of trouble.

I am sure it's just his opinion but it's an interesting take on it.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Pryor's agent said they accepted it which is why everyone assumed it was negotiated.

As to why they let him in, ESPN had the former agent on this morning the guy who admitted last year to paying lots of players and wrote a book about it(Blanking on the name). he said his guess is that the NFL paid attention to what happened to Clarett and decided that given Pryor's history making him sit out an entire season without the NFL, or college, was a very bad idea for him. So they actually in his opinion did this to help Pryor, he can't play, but he can have the backing of an NFL team and the structure of it to help him stay out of trouble.

I am sure it's just his opinion but it's an interesting take on it.

It makes more sense than the only thing I came up with. I just figured Drew Rosenhaus got his hands on some incriminating photos. I know he has some of the ESPN honchos, that's the only explanation for them continuing to treat this guy like he's royalty.

Steve

 

[crisper57]

I kinda understand it. You don't want to set a precedent of players losing their scholarships, for one reason or another, and then applying for the draft. It will destabilize the NFL minor league system (college football).

But, if this is Goodell's decision, shouldn't Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush, and a dozen other people who jumped ship after cheating the college ranks be getting suspensions as well?

 

[Duckjake]

I kinda understand it. You don't want to set a precedent of players losing their scholarships, for one reason or another, and then applying for the draft. It will destabilize the NFL minor league system (college football).

But, if this is Goodell's decision, shouldn't Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush, and a dozen other people who jumped ship after cheating the college ranks be getting suspensions as well?

You know of course that this is a core issue for the NFL. They walk on thin ice denying people the right to make a living. Didn't the Maurice Clarett lawsuit setle some of this? Don't remember.