Cam Newton = Trouble

[Southpaw]

Why are people being called haters for pointing out all the red flags with Newton? The guy, and his dad, has been a dirtbag with regards to the rules from day 1. How do you think he's likley to react when he gets millions of dollars? His spast decision making by the entire family shows lack of character. You have some wondering what if this was Andrew Luck? Well, it's not Andrew Luck. He hasn't been accused of academic fraud,been kicked out of school, charged with theft, had his father take money, and had the NCAA looking into his elgibility. He's at an academic institution in Stanford working on an architectural engineering degree. I'll bet 50% of Auburn students, 95% of the football players, can't spell architectural.
You know it's pretty bad when they ask a kid's dad to stay away from the heisman ceremony and the Nat'l championship game. That right there should be as big a red flag as anything. Those are two of the rarest moments in a football player's life and they tell your dad to stay away, c'mon. Look at last year's NC game and Texas had Colt McCoy's dad walking into the locker room with them and let him decide that it would be better for Colt to save his draft status rather than face Bama's defense in the 2nd half.

Bam. Nailed it.

BTW, the haters thing is an easy way to end a discussion. Too bad.

 

[TJ]

Why are people being called haters for pointing out all the red flags with Newton? The guy, and his dad, has been a dirtbag with regards to the rules from day 1. How do you think he's likley to react when he gets millions of dollars? His spast decision making by the entire family shows lack of character. You have some wondering what if this was Andrew Luck? Well, it's not Andrew Luck. He hasn't been accused of academic fraud,been kicked out of school, charged with theft, had his father take money, and had the NCAA looking into his elgibility. He's at an academic institution in Stanford working on an architectural engineering degree. I'll bet 50% of Auburn students, 95% of the football players, can't spell architectural.
You know it's pretty bad when they ask a kid's dad to stay away from the heisman ceremony and the Nat'l championship game. That right there should be as big a red flag as anything. Those are two of the rarest moments in a football player's life and they tell your dad to stay away, c'mon. Look at last year's NC game and Texas had Colt McCoy's dad walking into the locker room with them and let him decide that it would be better for Colt to save his draft status rather than face Bama's defense in the 2nd half.

Great post!

Although his dad came to the Championship game anyway....

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[TJ]

Same thing people said about Darnell Dockett...

Team has to roll the dice now and then and I think Newton is worth the "risk."

If Cards play wanna' play with the big boys they have to take the chance...

There is a huge difference between taking a risk in the 3rd round on a DT than it is taking one in the first round on a QB. If Dockett never panned out, no one would have remembered or cared at this point. If the team drafts Newton, pays him several millions and he flops, it can set a team back for years.

This team is a great example of how a first round failed QB can have a profound effect for years to come. In 2006, we picked Leinart #10. When you draft a QB that high, he is expected to be great and stay with the team for years. Much of the reason we are in desparation mode for a QB right is because Leinart was a bust. Fortunately, we had a resurrected Warner, who put a two season bandage on the wound that has since reopened.

With all of the character issues, mechanics flaws and off the field controversy surrounding him, is drafting Newton worth the risk? No

 

[Conquest]

Why are people being called haters for pointing out all the red flags with Newton? The guy, and his dad, has been a dirtbag with regards to the rules from day 1. How do you think he's likley to react when he gets millions of dollars? His spast decision making by the entire family shows lack of character. You have some wondering what if this was Andrew Luck? Well, it's not Andrew Luck. He hasn't been accused of academic fraud,been kicked out of school, charged with theft, had his father take money, and had the NCAA looking into his elgibility. He's at an academic institution in Stanford working on an architectural engineering degree. I'll bet 50% of Auburn students, 95% of the football players, can't spell architectural.
You know it's pretty bad when they ask a kid's dad to stay away from the heisman ceremony and the Nat'l championship game. That right there should be as big a red flag as anything. Those are two of the rarest moments in a football player's life and they tell your dad to stay away, c'mon. Look at last year's NC game and Texas had Colt McCoy's dad walking into the locker room with them and let him decide that it would be better for Colt to save his draft status rather than face Bama's defense in the 2nd half.

This.

Also, the highlighted does not pertain to RB either, don't compare them. The player who- shall-not-be-named was disgraced and viewed as a pariah by his university for much less that "Scam".

One thing you could always count on with the Cardinals was integrity and decency of the organization, too many red flags with Newton.

 

[bg7brd]

Why are people being called haters for pointing out all the red flags with Newton? The guy, and his dad, has been a dirtbag with regards to the rules from day 1. How do you think he's likley to react when he gets millions of dollars? His spast decision making by the entire family shows lack of character. You have some wondering what if this was Andrew Luck? Well, it's not Andrew Luck. He hasn't been accused of academic fraud,been kicked out of school, charged with theft, had his father take money, and had the NCAA looking into his elgibility. He's at an academic institution in Stanford working on an architectural engineering degree. I'll bet 50% of Auburn students, 95% of the football players, can't spell architectural.
You know it's pretty bad when they ask a kid's dad to stay away from the heisman ceremony and the Nat'l championship game. That right there should be as big a red flag as anything. Those are two of the rarest moments in a football player's life and they tell your dad to stay away, c'mon. Look at last year's NC game and Texas had Colt McCoy's dad walking into the locker room with them and let him decide that it would be better for Colt to save his draft status rather than face Bama's defense in the 2nd half.

Excellent post Cbus.

 

[desertdawg]

You guys crack me up.

 

[Shane]

You guys crack me up.

Truth hurt?

 

[kerouac9]

Why are people being called haters for pointing out all the red flags with Newton? The guy, and his dad, has been a dirtbag with regards to the rules from day 1. How do you think he's likley to react when he gets millions of dollars? His spast decision making by the entire family shows lack of character. You have some wondering what if this was Andrew Luck? Well, it's not Andrew Luck. He hasn't been accused of academic fraud,been kicked out of school, charged with theft, had his father take money, and had the NCAA looking into his elgibility. He's at an academic institution in Stanford working on an architectural engineering degree. I'll bet 50% of Auburn students, 95% of the football players, can't spell architectural.
You know it's pretty bad when they ask a kid's dad to stay away from the heisman ceremony and the Nat'l championship game. That right there should be as big a red flag as anything. Those are two of the rarest moments in a football player's life and they tell your dad to stay away, c'mon. Look at last year's NC game and Texas had Colt McCoy's dad walking into the locker room with them and let him decide that it would be better for Colt to save his draft status rather than face Bama's defense in the 2nd half.

Because you are being haters. You think that his dad going to the most important game in Newton's life is a "red flag"? Are you serious? Yes, what will happen when he's being paid millions of dollars... his did might go to all his games.

On the other hand, you have people pimping Robert Quinn as the next big thing despite the fact that he played no football at all in 2010, wasn't that good in 2009, lied to NCAA investigators, and accepted thousands of dollars in jewerly from an agent.

This isn't about Cam Newton's promise as a quarterback prospect, or lack thereof. Give me a break. I don't care if you like Cam Newton's dad, because we're not going to be drafting him.

 

[Conquest]

Because you are being haters. You think that his dad going to the most important game in Newton's life is a "red flag"? Are you serious? Yes, what will happen when he's being paid millions of dollars... his did might go to all his games.

On the other hand, you have people pimping Robert Quinn as the next big thing despite the fact that he played no football at all in 2010, wasn't that good in 2009, lied to NCAA investigators, and accepted thousands of dollars in jewerly from an agent.

This isn't about Cam Newton's promise as a quarterback prospect, or lack thereof. Give me a break. I don't care if you like Cam Newton's dad, because we're not going to be drafting him.

So, you think Cam is innocent of all those allegations, and he didn't know what was going on, considering how "close" he is to his pappy?

There is no worse fraud than one who uses God to front his greed...and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree on this one. Academic fraud and thieft, yeah, you can love on this one.

 

[desertdawg]

So, you think Cam is innocent of all those allegations, and he didn't know what was going on, considering how "close" he is to his pappy?

There is no worse fraud than one who uses God to front his greed...and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree on this one. Academic fraud and thieft, yeah, you can love on this one.

His idiotic scum ball dad pimped out his son. Let us all center our doubt on Cam for that.
That was really sad, not a reason to hold it against Cam, you guys are pretty funky today.
I wonder how some of yall would have dealt with that. While in your youth and in the national spotlight.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

So, you think Cam is innocent of all those allegations, and he didn't know what was going on, considering how "close" he is to his pappy?

There is no worse fraud than one who uses God to front his greed...and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree on this one. Academic fraud and thieft, yeah, you can love on this one.

So, you would have sold out your dad if you found out he was doing the same thing? I can tell you that when I was 20-21 years old my dad was the most important person (along with my mom) in my life. If I found out he had done something shady, I would have covered for him every time. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but that's what I would have done.

 

[Conquest]

His idiotic scum ball dad pimped out his son. Let us all center our doubt on Cam for that.
That was really sad, not a reason to hold it against Cam, you guys are pretty funky today.
I wonder how some of yall would have dealt with that. While in your youth and in the national spotlight.

What are you not understanding??? Academic fraud (twice!), and in possession of stolen property, he attempted to get rid of when the authorities showed up....ADD a scumbag pappy?

Take all those those red flags together, does it have to be spelled out?

 

[Conquest]

So, you would have sold out your dad if you found out he was doing the same thing? I can tell you that when I was 20-21 years old my dad was the most important person (along with my mom) in my life. If I found out he had done something shady, I would have covered for him every time. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but that's what I would have done.

Not selling out his pappy just may be one of his few redeeming attributes...but then again, thieves and a cheats have every reason in the world to protect each other, familial ties or not.

Hardly commendable when all the other accusations are considered.

 

[desertdawg]

What are you not understanding??? Academic fraud (twice!), and in possession of stolen property, he attempted to get rid of when the authorities showed up....ADD a scumbag pappy?

Take all those those red flags together, does it have to be spelled out?

What are you not understanding? How well does he play football? Nothing he has done has affected his game. He probably learned a lot from everything. Your thinking prison, I'm thinking pro-bowl, let us part ways and live in peace.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Because you are being haters. You think that his dad going to the most important game in Newton's life is a "red flag"? Are you serious? Yes, what will happen when he's being paid millions of dollars... his did might go to all his games.

No, if you would have read correctly, I said his dad being asked to stay away from those events is a red flag. What university wants/has to keep a father away from his sons two biggest events? If that's not a red flag, then I don't know what is. His dad going after agreeing to stay away shows what kind of guy he is as well.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

No, if you would have read correctly, I said his dad being asked to stay away from those events is a red flag. What university wants/has to keep a father away from his sons two biggest events? If that's not a red flag, then I don't know what is. His dad going after agreeing to stay away shows what kind of guy he is as well.

Auburn asked that the dad stay away to help avoid a media circus. So his dad decided he wanted to see his son play the final game of his college career, what a crime!

 

[slinslin]

And as if that has anything to do with how good a football player Cam Newton is and will be..

 

[Arizona's Finest]

And as if that has anything to do with how good a football player Cam Newton is and will be..

Bro you keep up with these one line sentences like they are the be all end all.

You know who Lawrence Phillips is? Go look it up.

90% of the time character, work ethic, and doing things by the rules DO translate into the NFL.

How is anyone not getting that with the biggest GOOD DECISION MAKING position in sports, its important that the prospect, you know, MAKES GOOD DECISIONS?

Pretty hard to argue Cam has done that through and through.

I am somewhat ambivalent to his academic and theft issues, but I don't get how anyone is a "hater" for thinking the FACE OF YOUR FRANCHISE shouldn't be held to a differrent moral standard then your DT drafted in the 3rd round.

What most are missing, is the commitment to work and his ability to get by purely on his athletic ability to this point is what will likely hold him back. If that doesn't change I guarantee he will be a bust in the NFL.

My take is there is a chance he is great. However at this point I am not sure if I want all those chips in the middle of the pot to be mine (i.e. Cardinals) when we find out.

We'll find out more as time goes on, but can we quit with the "haters" thing? K9 aren't you a middle aged english teacher - should you even be talking like that? Its not really an argument at the end of the day.

Cam Newton has tons of issues and red flags. Thats undeniable. Whats up for debate is whether his greatness and ability out weighs that.

But you know what I am most excited about? Someone (most likely k9) will quote the part where I wrote "Lawrence Phillips" and then write a 4 paragraph manifesto about comparing Newton and Phillips and how they are completely unalike. Not realizing the analogy in place as well as ignoring the rest of my post. Can't Wait!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

You know who Lawrence Phillips is? Go look it up.

I do. Do you?

How someone who attacked, molested and raped women in College (and later in the Pros) could be deemed analogous to Cam Newton is an absolute distortion of the term.

Ranks right up there with: "Do you know who loved dogs? Hitler. Do you know who else loves dogs? George W. Bush." ... Ergo...

 

[Reddog]

Bro you keep up with these one line sentences like they are the be all end all.

But you know what I am most excited about? Someone (most likely k9) will quote the part where I wrote "Lawrence Phillips" and then write a 4 paragraph manifesto about comparing Newton and Phillips and how they are completely unalike. Not realizing the analogy in place as well as ignoring the rest of my post. Can't Wait!

Too funny and true. I wish people would take the time to read and understand before starting their own hating.

Again, it is about risk. If we draft Cam will I freak? No. I will be surprized. I will assume the staff knew something we don't and I will cheer for him and support him and mostly hope someone comes along side him to be a good influence because there is evidence that his father has proven to be a poor role model when it comes to integrity (doing what you say you will do).

Four to five years under first contracts is not alot of time to counter years of some of the wrong influences. The link below is an intersting comparison betwen Vince Young and Cam. And yes the experts here bring up the same red flags I did and no I don't think they are haters for doing so.

Bottom line for me is Vince Young may move on to become a great player but so far it has been a struggle. The most similar negitive character examples to me between them was Young having the defience and arrogance to walk out on his coach during a post game meeting and Cam's decision to override his coaches order at the end of the BCS championship. Cam determined his decision was better then his coaches. Cecil wasn't there telling Cam to do this so this is 100% on Cam.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/20468/comparing-newton-young-at-this-stage

 

[juza76]

i asked him on twitter if he would like to play for cardinals,he wrote me this:

Cameron2Newton Cameron Newton



Honestly man I would love to play with the dolphins.I think I would fit into that offense well

 

[Mitch]

i asked him on twitter if he would like to play for cardinals,he wrote me this:

Cameron2Newton Cameron Newton



Honestly man I would love to play with the dolphins.I think I would fit into that offense well

I think he is absolutely right, Juza76. Thanks for the twitter.

 

[desertdawg]

i asked him on twitter if he would like to play for cardinals,he wrote me this:

Cameron2Newton Cameron Newton



Honestly man I would love to play with the dolphins.I think I would fit into that offense well

Wow, he would fit good there. Here he would make Whiz's shotgun hand off a real threat though, it would give us the play-action affect the way Whiz designs it.

 

[juza76]

Wow, he would fit good there. Here he would make Whiz's shotgun hand off a real threat though, it would give us the play-action affect the way Whiz designs it.

at this point i think the dolphins could be a good trade partner

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

i asked him on twitter if he would like to play for cardinals,he wrote me this:

Cameron2Newton Cameron Newton



Honestly man I would love to play with the dolphins.I think I would fit into that offense well

Good for Cam. That answer is alot more honest then the typical BS about being honored to play with whoever they get drafted by.