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Was very surprised to see how conservative the offense was out of the gates for the second game in a row---could not believe the coaches actually thought running sweeps to Thomas Davis' side was a good idea. Could not believe that when Carson Palmer finally started to relax a little and made a couple of good throws, BA had the offense go into the Wildcat, which was stuffed. Strange timing and strategy versus such a run stuffing defense.

I thought the Cardinals played into Carolina's hands as if they did not understand where their weaknesses are. Not putting any pressure on the Carolina secondary early in the game, gave them some mojo and confidence.

The Peterson muffed punt was incredibly ironic. Last year it was Ted Ginn giving Carolina a gift fumble on a return---this year it was Peterson, who clearly is not 100% interested or committed to being the punt returner. And then to watch Ginn beat Peterson and the whole secondary was salt in old wounds.

Carson Palmer was way too anxious, obviously. But what he is learning is that playoff football is at such a different speed and intensity level---that it takes some time and experience to get oneself to slow down---which he never was able to versus such a ferocious defense.

On the bright side---David Johnson played very well, which bodes well for him and team moving forward. I thought Kevin Minter played tough and very physical. Darren Fells had a nice couple of catches and a TD. J.J Nelson played well too.

Hard to imagine that BA and Palmer ignored Fitz again for a whole first half. Smokey Brown still needs to learn how to come back for the football---which in time he should learn.

Justin Bethel made a couple of good plays, but got beaten on some key plays like on the Ginn reverse and the Olson seam. He is fighting through what young players face---which is thinking too much and not playing on instinct.

The DB who has really struggled down the stretch two years in a row is FS Rashad Johnson. He's battled injuries and general year-end fatigue. I thought that D.J. Swearinger gave the team a real lift after the Honey Badger got injured. The team needs tacklers like Mathieu and Swearinger (did he even play?)---but tonight's secondary wasn't up for tackling (save a few solid ones by Tony Jefferson) and it gave Carolina added confidence.

The interior of the line played hard versus the run---Gunter, Bryant, Stinson in particular. Sad to see Calais Campbell fade out the last two games---he too looks like he hit a physical wall. He is too critical to this defense. Again, the defense got little to no pressure on the QB. Credit Carolina's o-line, but also recognize that without a consistent pass rush, teams generally can't get to the Super Bowl. This year the two best pass rushes are Carolina and Denver.

It should be interesting to see how this lopsided loss motivates Steve Keim, BA and the players this off-season. Clearly the Cardinals need to get tougher and more cohesive and they need faster, more explosive edge players (OLBs, CBs) on defense. Look at Carolina's and Denver's speed at the linebacker position---that's something to emulate.

This season has been a joy---winning the NFC West and closing it out so quickly---going an unprecedented 7-1 on the road (3-0 versus the NFC West) during the regular season and up until tonight, and going highly impressive 6-0 in Prime Time games. There is a ton of character on this football team---there is accountability and a very strong work ethic. Marvel at and appreciate all the excitement they generated this year. They sure made many new fans across the nation. Hail to the Cardinals for warming our hearts deep into January.

In finishing---a game like this will make it all the sweeter for the Cardinals and for us as fans if and when they finally overcome all the odds to win it all. Yes, it hurts to come this far and lose---but---the experience is valuable and is something to build on.
 
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I think Palmer's finger was hurt and he had no consistent accuracy deep.

We were screwed when his finger hit that face mask we just didn't know it. I kinda felt that but felt no need to say this as I didn't want it to be true but once I researched a dislocated finger and found out they take a year to fully heal I personally felt we were screwed.

No point in saying that though.
 

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It really does leave a sour taste after such a fun, amazing season. After last week's great escape I consigned myself to an "anything can happen" mindset. Just wish it was anything else.
 

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When you have no pass rush and no Cory Redding it's easy to take Campbell out if the game.

BA screwed up by not going with what got us there in the first place. Bad, bad day for every member of the organization, save for DJ.
 

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Mitch - really good, cerebral writeup. Not all good, and not all bad. Tough loss today, but a great season overall, with many positives.

NJ and LIAC - Your welcome for "listening" (reading) all of you ranting, raving and sky is falling posts on all of these threads. I hope you feel better.
 

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Mitch - really good, cerebral writeup. Not all good, and not all bad. Tough loss today, but a great season overall, with many positives.

NJ and LIAC - Your welcome for "listening" (reading) all of you ranting, raving and sky is falling posts on all of these threads. I hope you feel better.

I'm okay...you?
 

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I couldn't believe the wildcat and Fitz reverse calls.. BA always tries to throw those trick plays in at the wrong time, and it always kills momentum.
 

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Good write up Mitch.

1) how many years have we talked about needing dominant speedier edge rushers? Change the philosophy of bigger is better than speed! Like a broken record, we keep adding solid players at the position instead of difference makers.

2) ignoring the ILB position was a major mistake (Spoon was never great in Atl). Can Buc add weight to be a stud or does he need to play S?

3) nastier & better players are needed in the interior of the O & Dlines.

4) time for another CB opposite PP. I was dead wrong about Bethel, he's not that good & never gets he head around to play the ball.
 

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Yup, I'm good.

Good then...

Why don't you to just get a room, or better yet, find a boxing ring.....

Palmer's finger was his issue. Yea, he made some bad decisions, but some of those throws where short/soft/off that usually were on during the regular season. Didn't you notice that everything changed with the Offense after the GB blowout where he injured the finger? Seems about right.
 

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Why don't you to just get a room, or better yet, find a boxing ring.....

Palmer's finger was his issue. Yea, he made some bad decisions, but some of those throws where short/soft/off that usually were on during the regular season. Didn't you notice that everything changed with the Offense after the GB blowout where he injured the finger? Seems about right.

Seems about right... but it's wrong considering he injured the finger in the Philly game and looked FINE the next week in the blowout against GB.
 

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Seems about right... but it's wrong considering he injured the finger in the Philly game and looked FINE the next week in the blowout against GB.

Damn, was it philly? I thought it was the GB game.
 

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Seems about right... but it's wrong considering he injured the finger in the Philly game and looked FINE the next week in the blowout against GB.

The insidious nature of the injury kinda explains that.

A dislocated finger you can play with but you start adjusting things in very subtle ways which explains his pulled muscle issue.

Over time it eats away at your muscle memory of how to throw a ball you start compensating over time and the longer it goes the more screwed up you will get.

This would not be an issue for any of us because we don't play a sport at a high level but it's on his throwing hand.

Over time it would mess things up then the confidence starts to go and you're in hell.

Far be it from me to defend the guy but honestly that's what's going to happen over time with an injury like this to a QB.

Jake nearly had his thumb ripped off and it screwed him for an entire season same thing.
 

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Good analysis Mitch as usual. It was a good season but we sure ended it poorly.
Have to give credit to the Panthers, they are a much better team by far than the Cards. Keim has some holes to fill so it will be an interesting offseason.
 

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No pass rush, Carson Palmer and everyone forcing it after being down.
 

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So Palmer's injured finger caused him to throw into double and triple coverage? Miss seeing open receivers underneath? Mistake John Brown for Floyd or Fitz?

Sorry Palmer earned any and all criticism he gets for this game. He looked like a rookie out there.
 

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So Palmer's injured finger caused him to throw into double and triple coverage? Miss seeing open receivers underneath? Mistake John Brown for Floyd or Fitz?

Sorry Palmer earned any and all criticism he gets for this game. He looked like a rookie out there.

If youu are ripping Palmer then don`t forget Patrick Peterson who fumbled and was poor in coverage and Calais Campbell who was a total non-factor.As a matter of fact the whole defense pretty much sucked IMHO yesterday.They couldn`t get crucial stops or make big plays.Carolina pretty much toyed with the defense.It was just the kind of game were everything snowballed downhill.:bang:
 

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I think Palmer's finger was hurt and he had no consistent accuracy deep.

We were screwed when his finger hit that face mask we just didn't know it. I kinda felt that but felt no need to say this as I didn't want it to be true but once I researched a dislocated finger and found out they take a year to fully heal I personally felt we were screwed.

No point in saying that though.

I know no one wants to use the finger as an excuse but the timing of this injury and Palmer's unraveling coincide. What concerns me is that the physical part of it was only part of the problem. Palmer's critics have always talked about his mental toughness when it comes to post season and I really wonder if the psychological/confidence/mental part of that injury was his downfall. If that is the case then when the finger is 100% I will still wonder how he will respond on the biggest stage in the future.
 

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I know no one wants to use the finger as an excuse but the timing of this injury and Palmer's unraveling coincide. What concerns me is that the physical part of it was only part of the problem. Palmer's critics have always talked about his mental toughness when it comes to post season and I really wonder if the psychological/confidence/mental part of that injury was his downfall. If that is the case then when the finger is 100% I will still wonder how he will respond on the biggest stage in the future.

this is interesting. I still don't really buy the finger excuse all that much considering the next week he went out and played well against the Packers, though.

The bigger problem in the playoffs was his decision making. It was just atrocious all the way around.
 

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Seems about right... but it's wrong considering he injured the finger in the Philly game and looked FINE the next week in the blowout against GB.

He didn't look fine. He never was able to throw it down the field with accuracy after that. Our blowout of the pack included. His confidence and decision making deteriorated each game after that. He forced balls, pressed and threw balls into the ground at the feet of the receivers on short crossing routs because he lacked the confidence he had displayed earlier in the season. As much mental or more so, but the finger triggered it in my opinion.
 
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this is interesting. I still don't really buy the finger excuse all that much considering the next week he went out and played well against the Packers, though.

The bigger problem in the playoffs was his decision making. It was just atrocious all the way around.

I heard earlier that his QB rating was 104 thru the Philly game & 70 from that game forward. Hmmmm

Sure he made sum bad decisions, but when a guy is hurt he usually does things differently to compensate. I think anyone saying it didn't have any factor on his ability to throw like he did for 14 games is being naive. Carson & BA will never admit it but his play says otherwise.

Btw he didn't play great against the Pack in that blowout either IMO, the D lead that parade.
 
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Hey! Mitch...

Disappointed? Sure. But I'm NOT going to hang my head over a 14-win season. I mean, we didn't even lose a game for like 2 1/2 months! We lost to a GREAT team on the road...it is what it is. But, I can't help but feel good about this team going forward. There is a solid nucleus of talented and very committed players... ...And...I REALLY like saying this part...Mgmt. is fully committed to winning! The old-timers on here know that hasn't always been the case.

So, here's to a GREAT off-season!

Take Care, bud!

Mark :)

I CHOOSE to BASK! :D
 

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I heard earlier that his QB rating was 104 thru the Philly game & 70 from that game forward. Hmmmm

Sure he made sum bad decisions, but when a guy is hurt he usually does things differently to compensate. I think anyone saying it didn't have any factor on his ability to throw is being naive. Carson & BA will never admit it but his play says otherwise.

whatever helps you sleep better at night Buck. His finger had nothing to do with his atrocious decision making all playoffs long.
 
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