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THE GREAT:

* Offensive line---kept Kolb clean, opened holes late in the game when it was most needed. Might be overlooked, but this may be the best o-line performance, all things considered, in quite some time.

* Wildcat PP21 LSH36---what a boost! The only thing that made me curious was how Belichick knew it was coming and practiced versus it. Didn't matter---they couldn't defend it.

* STs & Coach Kevin Spencer---not only did we turn the momentum of the game totally in our favor with Groves' punt block---the missed FG at the end, well, look at it again---Spencer had Paris Lenon sprinting from left to right just as the ball was being snapped, THAT, and combined with Gostkowski knowing to kick it LEFT of CC93, imo, caused the pull.

* Kerry Rhodes' play on Gronkowski to deny the 2 pointer.

* CC93---despite having the toughest matchup on the d-line versus Pro Bowl G Logan Mankins was HUGE out there in dispruting and getting to Brady.

* Whisenhunt's call on the Kolb 5 yard sneak, right out of the Pats' playbook.

* Whisenhunt's call on the Roberts TD coming inside of Heap's out route.

* Kevin Kolb for playing tough---take that Tommy Kelly!

* Speaking of tough---how about the big catches Early Doucet made in traffic!

* Larry Fitzgerald for being great even when he was bracketed all day. Still not sure how they called his catch on the quick slant incomplete. Doesn't matter now.

* Daryl Washington for being around the ball and making plays all day.

* Sam Acho for bringing outside pressure---especially on that tremendous 10 yard sack he had on Brady. Kudos to Graves on his sack too.

* Ray Horton for playing the 4-2-5 ALL DAY! This is why the Pats tried to run so much, because they were coaxed into it, and it did not help Brady's rhythm.

* DD90 and CC93 for playing their arses off practically all day as the inside DTs.

* WE HAVE A PASS RUSH!

* WE CAN COVER!

* WE CAN DEFEAT A TEAM THAT WAS 10-0 in HOME OPENERS and 35-1 at HOME with HOF QB Tom Brady...AT 10AM-1PM ARIZONA TIME, NO LESS!

Things that NEED IMPROVEMENT:

* You CANNOT try to run the ball on first down 9 times out of 10 versus a loaded box.

* Kolb's short passes.

* The chemistry between Kolb and Heap.

* Man, the Roberts' off-side penalty...

* Zastudil needs hang time---not distance.

* Clock Management---Whisenhunt has been improving, but today he made some mistakes that nearly cost the team the game:

a). LSH36 should have been instructed to run the kickoff out and he had an easy one to do so---would have taken the clock to the 2 minute warning, thus guaranteeing being able to take at least 40 seconds off of 2:00.

b). The fumble by Williams should have never happened because the play was wrong right from the start:

* first of all, you are not going to run for 13 yards on the play, not with their whole team playing run.

* you CANNOT risk a fumble in that situation NO MATTER WHAT.

* the play itself it EXTREMELY RISKY---if you have ever played QB in a tight situation where the d-line is teeing off to create a botched snap or handoff---you would know that having to take a clean snap and open your hips to them throw a pitch LEFT in THIS case---which was to the INSIDE of the potential pressure---is just inviting trouble to happen---that and risking the catch of the pitch or fumble recovery of the pitch is totally preventable and should have been. PLUS---when you run wide you risk the OTHER potential BRAIN FART of winding up out of bounds.

* at that point the clock is your BEST FRIEND---you have 1:10 left, you snap the ball and you TAKE A KNEE. By the time you punt the ball there would be under 30 seconds left---the punt will take another 7-10 seconds---so the odds are heavily in your favor when the other team has no timeouts that they can't go 45 yards in two plays and still have time to spike the ball.

Ryan Williams should have never be put in that position. He still should have manifested the requisite football IQ to realize that taking a slide in that situation is going to win you the game 99/100 times.

Whisenhunt still has these clock issues---as much as he deserves tremendous credit for preparing the team to win, he has to give his players the BEST chance.

All that said---the late half meltdowns that have cost the team repeatedly in the past under Whisenhunt---have been avoided thus far in 2012!

As CT said, 2-0 Baby!:newcards:
 
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* DD90 and CC93 for playing their arses off practically all day as the inside DTs.

* WE HAVE A PASS RUSH!

* WE CAN COVER!

* WE CAN DEFEAT A TEAM THAT WAS 10-0 in HOME OPENERS and 35-1 at HOME with HOF QB Tom Brady...AT 10AM-1PM ARIZONA TIME, NO LESS!

They were HUGE today in a BIG GAME. Glad you gave them their due.

And YES, YES AND YES!!!

Groves is really going to push Schofeild and Acho is bringing good pressure. DWash was all over the field in coverage as well.
 

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Can I add a C) to clock management? I don't understand why the Cards let the clock run down at the end of the half before calling a timeout. Calling it with 6 seconds left gave the Pats the chance on 4th down - even though they ended up not doing it - to throw a hail mary.
 

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* Zastudil needs hang time---not distance.

This is still a concern with him. He was booming them in the pre season but when he does that now he's not getting the hang time and outkicking the coverage. They had some good returns and nearly broke one.
 

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Can I add a C) to clock management? I don't understand why the Cards let the clock run down at the end of the half before calling a timeout. Calling it with 6 seconds left gave the Pats the chance on 4th down - even though they ended up not doing it - to throw a hail mary.

IIRC, the pats still had a TO left. If they call it early and they go for it, they can get short options to pick up the first down, then start taking some shots. With 6 it is either punt or hail mary. I was a bit surprised we called it at all - wanting PP21 a touch I know, but not a lot of upside to that one.
 

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In the dying seconds of the game, I had a memory of Ravens games last year when Stucky fumble and we lost by one or two points off a a late Ravens FG. I couldn't beleive I'd see such moment again. I did not watch the FG and I just heard No Good. I looked back at TV praying those miserable refs wouldn't throw a stupid flag and let Pats re-kick.
 

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Nice write up Mitch!
 

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In the dying seconds of the game, I had a memory of Ravens games last year when Stucky fumble and we lost by one or two points off a a late Ravens FG. I couldn't beleive I'd see such moment again. I did not watch the FG and I just heard No Good. I looked back at TV praying those miserable refs wouldn't throw a stupid flag and let Pats re-kick.

That was the Redskins game.. it is such an awful memory you almost completely forgot about it!! :D
 

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Agree on the play, Williams can't fumble but pitching it just makes it more risky.

I would add, the whole thing was setup by Hyphen taking a knee and not running the KO back. If he takes that out we get to the 2 minute warning before first down and can use up more time since they'd have had to use both TO's earlier.

For a veteran KOR that was a really dumb play.
 

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Better enjoy Ray Horton this year fellas, for he well be a head coach next season. Cards need to offerer him 3 million per to try and keep him.
 

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* Ray Horton for playing the 4-2-5 ALL DAY! This is why the Pats tried to run so much, because they were coaxed into it, and it did not help Brady's rhythm.

Who were the DE's? I saw Carter out there a lot, didn't realize he was out there all game. Who else was out there?
 

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THE GREAT:

* Offensive line---kept Kolb clean, opened holes late in the game when it was most needed. Might be overlooked, but this may be the best o-line performance, all things considered, in quite some time.

Chandler Jones was really blowing past Batiste early, then he finally started to get help. But they played well for them. :p
 

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Aside from the W the team is walking away with, the other HUGE takeaway for these guys is confidence. This game could set the tone for the season.
 

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Aside from the W the team is walking away with, the other HUGE takeaway for these guys is confidence. This game could set the tone for the season.

YESSIR!
 

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I took some time after the game - I needed a self intervention- My Patriots fan Room Mate came infrom work right after the RWill fumble- He said i expected you to be crazy happy - I said they fumbled it on a flip - Rant Rant Rant Rant-

I told him we beat them straight up all game long- Then we watch as the Patriots missed the short game winning fieldgoal. Just like the Raiders but this was the New England Patriots- The SB loser by barely!

I just imploded Like one of my Psychotic patients at a psych hospital! I never had a win feel so bad! That i remember - I was like flipping my lips with my finger and going blur ba ba ba ba ba ba - I'm staring at the Jets - Steelers and could not tell you what happened!

I know we have the talent to beat them handily - But only an Arizona Sports fan can relate - I went from swearing off these stupid Mamma Jammas coachs to happier then hell we are 2-0! I Honest feel we won in spite of our coaches not because of them- not just that fumble-

but the choices the unorthodox decisions through out the game- Beanie wasn't hurt He was not WANTED on the goal lineor 3rd and short - The Rookie RWill is trusted with franchises most important win at the end of the game- 10 carries for 13 yards- The whole THT thing is going on again.

But really If we want to see Belicheck and every student of the game wonder WTF! Whiz is the head coach to do it! Mike Miller does not belong doing what he is doing- We can win solid- Our coaches choose not too!

I'm happy for the win- the balance- the defense and ST's- Kolb Many things went well today - no butts- just in Awe that the Patriots missed that field goal - It is wonderful.
 

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I took some time after the game - I needed a self intervention- My Patriots fan Room Mate came infrom work right after the RWill fumble- He said i expected you to be crazy happy - I said they fumbled it on a flip - Rant Rant Rant Rant-

I told him we beat them straight up all game long- Then we watch as the Patriots missed the short game winning fieldgoal. Just like the Raiders but this was the New England Patriots- The SB loser by barely!

I just imploded Like one of my Psychotic patients at a psych hospital! I never had a win feel so bad! That i remember - I was like flipping my lips with my finger and going blur ba ba ba ba ba ba - I'm staring at the Jets - Steelers and could not tell you what happened!

I know we have the talent to beat them handily - But only an Arizona Sports fan can relate - I went from swearing off these stupid Mamma Jammas coachs to happier then hell we are 2-0! I Honest feel we won in spite of our coaches not because of them- not just that fumble-

but the choices the unorthodox decisions through out the game- Beanie wasn't hurt He was not WANTED on the goal lineor 3rd and short - The Rookie RWill is trusted with franchises most important win at the end of the game- 10 carries for 13 yards- The whole THT thing is going on again.

But really If we want to see Belicheck and every student of the game wonder WTF! Whiz is the head coach to do it! Mike Miller does not belong doing what he is doing- We can win solid- Our coaches choose not too!

I'm happy for the win- the balance- the defense and ST's- Kolb Many things went well today - no butts- just in Awe that the Patriots missed that field goal - It is wonderful.

Of course youwould feel this way and use it as a back handed whiz bash fest go figure! :mulli:
 

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honestly thinking about it 2-0 could have been 1-1 or worst case 0-2
but will take any W no matter how it comes
it 20-9 and I knew it wasn't over yet

My game balls

1. Offense: got to give it to Kolb again. Few mistakes. Good rush for 1 1st down and the TD. At times when he went out of pocket though he was back to his old ways. Nice Kolb/Robets combo in end zone.
other nominess: Heap and Housler (that catch made a huge difference)

2. Defense: hard to name one. But I will give it to Rhodes. Nice break up on a couple of sure TD and 2 pts. Saved the game

3. ST: better than Seattle game on limiting Pats returns. Good kicks offs by feely. Ball goes to Groves for blocking the punt that set the an excellent position for the 2nd TD.
 

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I will say it. Our D OWNED Tom Brady and his offense for the entire game, except 1 drive. They were awesome.
 

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I'll wait for Whiz to tell us but I think the run by Kolb was his call not Whiz. I think just as the announcer said he noticed the C was uncovered and just changed the call. in fact it sort of looked like other Cards didn't know the play either.
 

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I'll wait for Whiz to tell us but I think the run by Kolb was his call not Whiz. I think just as the announcer said he noticed the C was uncovered and just changed the call. in fact it sort of looked like other Cards didn't know the play either.

Agree that call was at the line. Who a QB sneak on the 4?
 
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